Confessor
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Nov 30, 2022 1:08:32 GMT -5
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Post by Confessor on Nov 30, 2022 1:08:32 GMT -5
I always enjoy the EC horror and sci-fi books (and the Piracy title too), but yeah, I agree that you can't read too many in a row or they become mind-numbingly formulaic. The artwork is almost always a treat in those comics though, and I can't say I've ever found them to anymore overwritten than a lot of other Atom Age comics.
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Post by tonebone on Nov 30, 2022 9:06:38 GMT -5
It happens in many of the threads in this forum. Compared to almost anyplace else on the internet it happens incredibly rarely. "It could have been worse" is a terrible excuse for bad behavior.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 30, 2022 9:18:17 GMT -5
I don't accept that a sarcastic joke that many seemed to enjoy is bad behavior.
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Post by shaxper on Nov 30, 2022 9:30:12 GMT -5
Folks, a quick reminder to avoid inserting divisive politics into unrelated discussions. What's happening in American (and world) politics right now is frustrating and scary, but this is not the place nor way to air such concerns. Keep it classy.
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 30, 2022 10:04:49 GMT -5
My tongue will remain bitten from now on.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Nov 30, 2022 12:26:18 GMT -5
Johnny Craig established some ongoing characters in Extra!, and I think there was a recurring shrink in Psychoanalysis, but a lack of ongoing characters provides some freedom for writers. The company's strength was consistently high-quality artwork, which may also have been hard to maintain long-term. Jim Warren couldn't do it.
Some freedom, maybe in a way, but I think a continuing character would provide more incentive for a reader to return for the next issue. There's a sort of freedom as well in being able to tell a longer narrative!
There were adaptations of Otto Binder's Adam Link stories, which does indeed count as continuing, but unfortunately I don't think there's enough page count to make a book out of it (maybe a one-shot comic). I'd be happy with a collection of the EC and Warren adaptations of those, especially if it included "Adam Link's Vengeance" from Fantasy Illustrated # 1 with D. Bruce Berry art.
I will note however that Adam Link was never cover-featured, so even if someone liked the first story they'd have no clue to expect a follow-up.
Jim Warren's general level of quality was very high, but agreed, not consistent. I tend to purchase the artist-specific collections of Warren material, or else the character collections.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Nov 30, 2022 21:39:34 GMT -5
I've been going through the original, Goodwin-edited, Creepy books for about a month. Like with EC, the art quality is high. The text is quite succinct in comparison though. Like as has been said with EC already, reading too many in row is difficult because of the repetition, in this case a ton of vampire and werewolf stories in the first 8 issues (I'm up to #9). The Adam Link stories with art by Joe Orlando are indeed the highlight. Really good stuff.
As for EC, I fell in love with their books, especially the science fiction ones, as a 13 year old reading Gladstone reprints. I agree that they are excessively text heavy and of course repetitive. But I so love the art, and the nostalgic memories of reading them on long family summer road trips, that I can never be very critical of them
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Dec 1, 2022 1:43:31 GMT -5
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Post by zaku on Dec 1, 2022 1:43:31 GMT -5
Like other people said it's just ridiculous that
a) Joker gets always the insanity defense, and it doesn't make sense. Yes, people rationalize this saying that the justice system in Gotham is different from ours but I'm sure that every politicians who promised the death penalty for him would be elected with a landslide b) why the heck people still live in Gotham!?!
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Post by shaxper on Dec 1, 2022 7:27:55 GMT -5
Like other people said it's just ridiculous that a) Joker gets always the insanity defense, and it doesn't make sense. Yes, people rationalize this saying that the justice system in Gotham is different from ours but I'm sure that every politicians who promised the death penalty for him would be elected with a landslide I like the idea often presented in Post-Crisis stories that the Joker has an almost contagious influence upon people. His outlandish persona compels people to try to understand him. I find it easy to accept that he is repeatedly represented by idealistic lawyers and psychologists working pro bono, as well as civil rights groups lobbying politicians on his behalf, who want to see him as an unfortunate product of society rather than an evil threatening it. As someone who firmly believes in standing up for others and for doing my best to see all sides of a story, I can definitely see the temptation that a real-world Joker would present to someone who doesn't want to believe in absolute evil.
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Post by impulse on Dec 1, 2022 8:28:42 GMT -5
I can believe that the first couple stories, but after decades it strains suspension of disbelief to breaking point.
But alas, that is simply a limitation of the medium. Well, specifically serialized ongoing perpetual status-quo corporate characters such as DC and Marvel have.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Dec 1, 2022 9:29:56 GMT -5
When it comes to the Joker, the way he is presented, I find no pity for him. As far as I am concerned he is no more of a relentless killer than someone like Zsasz. But could I find sympathy (depending on the story) for someone like Mr Freeze or Clayface (Matt Hagen) or Ventriloquist (Wesker). They have tragic origins and weren't put in the position they are in to resort to crime. Joker was a pos criminal before he became Joker. (Though I have no idea if that origin still stands.) So there's really no sympathy or curiosity for a person that has committed his life to making other people miserable with his manipulation. And killing others for sometimes no reason at all. That isn't anything but evil and people continuing to romanticize it and sensationalize it are just as guilty as Joker is of his own crimes because the Joker loves the attention and it fuels him to continue killing.
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Post by MDG on Dec 1, 2022 9:41:52 GMT -5
When it comes to the Joker, the way he is presented, I find no pity for him..... So there's really no sympathy or curiosity for a person that has committed his life to making other people miserable with his manipulation. And killing others for sometimes no reason at all. That isn't anything but evil and people continuing to romanticize it and sensationalize it are just as guilty as Joker is of his own crimes because the Joker loves the attention and it fuels him to continue killing. Elseworlds story: A law is passed that costumed and super-powered criminals deemed "irredeemable" by the courts are flown to a secure island with basic shelter and supplies. No hope of parole. Kind've like Toho's Monster Island meets Escape from New York.
From there, it can go any number of ways: at a certain point they petition the UN or World Court to become their own nation; they escape (of course); they are set free because there's a threat "only they can solve"...
(Now tell me this has already been published.)
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Post by badwolf on Dec 1, 2022 10:03:24 GMT -5
When it comes to the Joker, the way he is presented, I find no pity for him..... So there's really no sympathy or curiosity for a person that has committed his life to making other people miserable with his manipulation. And killing others for sometimes no reason at all. That isn't anything but evil and people continuing to romanticize it and sensationalize it are just as guilty as Joker is of his own crimes because the Joker loves the attention and it fuels him to continue killing. Elseworlds story: A law is passed that costumed and super-powered criminals deemed "irredeemable" by the courts are flown to a secure island with basic shelter and supplies. No hope of parole. Kind've like Toho's Monster Island meets Escape from New York.
From there, it can go any number of ways: at a certain point they petition the UN or World Court to become their own nation; they escape (of course); they are set free because there's a threat "only they can solve"...
(Now tell me this has already been published.)
Didn't they send villains to another planet in a series a little while back?
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Post by EdoBosnar on Dec 1, 2022 10:55:33 GMT -5
Elseworlds story: A law is passed that costumed and super-powered criminals deemed "irredeemable" by the courts are flown to a secure island with basic shelter and supplies. No hope of parole. Kind've like Toho's Monster Island meets Escape from New York.
From there, it can go any number of ways: at a certain point they petition the UN or World Court to become their own nation; they escape (of course); they are set free because there's a threat "only they can solve"...
(Now tell me this has already been published.)
Well, not with super-villains (that I know of), but it sounds a lot like the premise for Zander Cannon's recent series, Kaijumax (which I'd really like to read at some point).
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Post by arfetto on Dec 1, 2022 11:42:26 GMT -5
Elseworlds story: A law is passed that costumed and super-powered criminals deemed "irredeemable" by the courts are flown to a secure island with basic shelter and supplies. No hope of parole. Kind've like Toho's Monster Island meets Escape from New York.
From there, it can go any number of ways: at a certain point they petition the UN or World Court to become their own nation; they escape (of course); they are set free because there's a threat "only they can solve"...
(Now tell me this has already been published.)
Didn't they send villains to another planet in a series a little while back?
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