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Post by berkley on Nov 11, 2022 23:22:28 GMT -5
edit: forgot to add - think it should lose points for Claremont stealing the title from the Moody Blues album.
You must really hate Bill Mantlo. Did he do it too? Either it's a new one on me or I've forgotten all about it.
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 12, 2022 6:00:22 GMT -5
You must really hate Bill Mantlo. Did he do it too? Either it's a new one on me or I've forgotten all about it. Are you kidding? Micronauts was practically nothing but pilferage (well done but pilferage all the same) from other intellectual properties including Star Waes, Kirby's Fourth World, and Marvel's own Guardians of the Galaxy. One of his Hulk stories liberally borrowed from a Harlan Ellison short story, getting Marvel in dutch with the notoriously litigious Mr. E. And, yes, he sometimes also used songs and albums for his story titles.
Cei-U! I summon the mooch!
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Post by EdoBosnar on Nov 12, 2022 6:00:24 GMT -5
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edit: forgot to add - think it should lose points for Claremont stealing the title from the Moody Blues album.
Really? I always liked it when comics writers threw in pop culture references (that I understood), especially if it involved music (David Anthony Kraft was another writer who included references to, e.g., Rush and Blue Oyster Cult songs during his run on Defenders). And in this specific instance, since I was a big fan of prog and prog-adjacent bands, I liked the hat-tip to the Days of Future Passed.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 12, 2022 6:43:23 GMT -5
Did he do it too? Either it's a new one on me or I've forgotten all about it. Are you kidding? Micronauts was practically nothing but pilferage (well done but pilferage all the same) from other intellectual properties including Star Waes, Kirby's Fourth World, and Marvel's own Guardians of the Galaxy. One of his Hulk stories liberally borrowed from a Harlan Ellison short story, getting Marvel in dutch with the notoriously litigious Mr. E. And, yes, he sometimes also used songs and albums for his story titles.
Cei-U! I summon the mooch!
Everything I read or heard indicates that Mantlo never refused an assignment, so he drew from any source. He became competent after Shooter took over and didn't let him hack. The Ellison thing was just moronic and shame on the editor of the Hulk book for not catching it.
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 12, 2022 15:06:44 GMT -5
I gave it a 5, not so much as a statement on its quality (it's p;retty good, actually, and it gave us Senator Kelly and the new Brotherhood) but as the beginning of Claremont's incessant revisitation of this storyline, leading to Rachel Summers, Nimrod, Bishop, and all the rest of the time travel bushwah that plagued thee book thereafter and was about as enjoyable as watching a leper pick his scabs. Cei-U! I summon the continuity clusterf**k! That's why I'm ambivalent about this story. On its own, it's an outstanding story. However, it also opened the floodgates and is the beginning of the end of readable X-Men stories for me. The point where I stop reading my X-Men collection is Rachel Summer's first appearance in the mainstream continuity (Uncanny X-Men #184). That' also one of the first instances (though not the first) where Claremont has apparently run out of good ideas and starts to recycle the old ideas. Anyway, I did give this a 9, because if I ignore everything that came after it, it's still a great story.
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Post by badwolf on Nov 12, 2022 18:36:03 GMT -5
You must really hate Bill Mantlo. Did he do it too? Either it's a new one on me or I've forgotten all about it. Oh yeah, countless musical references in his titles, including what may be the longest: "You Can't Always Get What You Want But If You Try Sometimes You Might Find You Get What You Need" (the issue of Hulk where Rick Jones tried to summon the Avengers but got what would form the Texas Rangers instead.)
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Post by commond on Nov 12, 2022 19:31:02 GMT -5
I'm getting the distinct feeling that people don't like Rachael Summers.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Nov 12, 2022 19:58:31 GMT -5
I'm getting the distinct feeling that people don't like Rachael Summers. I actually liked her a whole lot before the Mojo nonsense. Whenever Mojoworld shows up, it #$& things up story-wise. The Longshot miniseries should have been its only appearance, as far as I'm concerned!
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Post by commond on Nov 12, 2022 20:24:54 GMT -5
It always struck me as difficult to create new characters post-Bronze Age, or perhaps we're just less accepting of them.
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Post by berkley on Nov 13, 2022 18:58:24 GMT -5
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edit: forgot to add - think it should lose points for Claremont stealing the title from the Moody Blues album.
Really? I always liked it when comics writers threw in pop culture references (that I understood), especially if it involved music (David Anthony Kraft was another writer who included references to, e.g., Rush and Blue Oyster Cult songs during his run on Defenders). And in this specific instance, since I was a big fan of prog and prog-adjacent bands, I liked the hat-tip to the Days of Future Passed.
But was it a reference in this case or just a straight lifting of the title? I have no problem with references - I liked DAK's references to Blue Oyster Cult in his Defenders run, for example. Somehow I didn't think Claremont was doing anything along those lines but perhaps I was wrong.
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Post by commond on Nov 13, 2022 19:04:54 GMT -5
I remember as a kid, Claremont wrote a scene where Alex Summers and Maylene Pryor "trip the light fandango." For some reason, the expression stuck in my head until years later when the penny dropped.
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Post by Calidore on Nov 13, 2022 19:55:16 GMT -5
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edit: forgot to add - think it should lose points for Claremont stealing the title from the Moody Blues album.
Really? I always liked it when comics writers threw in pop culture references (that I understood), especially if it involved music (David Anthony Kraft was another writer who included references to, e.g., Rush and Blue Oyster Cult songs during his run on Defenders). And in this specific instance, since I was a big fan of prog and prog-adjacent bands, I liked the hat-tip to the Days of Future Passed. Agreed. Punning references to other pop culture is a time-honored tradition in most media, I think.
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Post by impulse on Nov 14, 2022 11:15:00 GMT -5
I used to put song lyrics into my papers in high school. I'm glad I don't have easy access to read them back now because I'm certain its far more clunky and awkward than I thought it was at the time.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Nov 14, 2022 12:08:30 GMT -5
I'm getting the distinct feeling that people don't like Rachael Summers.
I like Rachel Summers as a character, but don't think she makes a lot of sense, and as others have posted she opened the floodgates to countless revisitations of the dark future which became increasingly tiresome.
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