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Post by Ish Kabbible on Aug 2, 2022 10:33:54 GMT -5
There have been several cases documented where a book was submitted to CGC and received a grade. The book was removed from the slab and re-submitted again. And received a better grade. Like MLB umpires, it might be time to replace graders with robots
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Post by Confessor on Aug 2, 2022 10:56:29 GMT -5
Has comic grading been pretty much consistent over many decades? No. In fact, It hasn't even been consistent within CGC. As Ish points out above, there have been well publicised examples of people popping a graded book out of its slab and resubmitting it only to then receive a higher or lower grade than it previously had. There is also evidence to suggest that CGC are more lenient to older, rarer books. So, for example, if a Silver Age book is graded as 9.2 because of a few slight faults on it, a modern book with the exact same faults would actually receive a lower grade. Now, while I can see some sense in that, because a 60 year old comic in 9.2 shape is going to be a lot rarer than a 21st century comic in that shape and arguably the grade should possibly ignore such things as the natural ageing process of the old paper etc, it does prove that CGC's grading isn't a universal standard, as they claim it is. There is, in fact, a sliding scale based on a comic's age. Not that I care. I think CGC generally is a bit of a rip off and I would never buy a slabbed book. I know some folks love their graded books, and fair play to them, but I want comics that I can read.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2022 19:24:27 GMT -5
There have been several cases documented where a book was submitted to CGC and received a grade. The book was removed from the slab and re-submitted again. And received a better grade. Like MLB umpires, it might be time to replace graders with robots
I know one guy who opened his 7.0 because he saw defects that can be corrected without encroaching on restoration.
So very carefully, he cleaned the book, pressed it, removed the spine-curl....and resubmitted it. He got a 9.0 for his efforts.
I know another guy who did absolutely nothing and re-submitted his 9.4.....and it came back 9.8
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Post by Ozymandias on Aug 3, 2022 0:04:30 GMT -5
Sounds like it's quite widespread. Maybe they keep records and do it on purpose to get people to re-summit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 2:44:29 GMT -5
Sounds like it's quite widespread. Maybe they keep records and do it on purpose to get people to re-summit.
The CGC sensus records are inaccurate. When a book is resubmitted, the grading label which displays the grade and ID number is usually not included so as far as CGC is concerned, it's a new submission which will get its own label and ID number.
So....
I submit a book, it's graded 9.4.....and a 9.4 goes on the sensus.
I unslab it and resubmit it in a mylar bag....it gets a 9.6, and a 9.6 goes on the sensus. The previous 9.4 grade is not removed because they don't know it's the same book.
I resubmit in another mylar, it finally gets a 9.8, and 9.8 on the sensus.
The same copy sent in 3 times and as far as CGC is concerned, there are 3 slabbed copies on the sensus.
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Post by Ozymandias on Aug 3, 2022 5:35:13 GMT -5
You actually did that or is it a hypothetical?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2022 13:36:45 GMT -5
You actually did that or is it a hypothetical?
I know several people who resubmit books this way, and they never submit the original CGC label. So those census figures are skewed.
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Post by tonebone on Aug 12, 2022 8:19:05 GMT -5
You actually did that or is it a hypothetical?
I know several people who resubmit books this way, and they never submit the original CGC label. So those census figures are skewed.
So, i'm guessing that if you submitted the old label, it would pretty much guarantee the same grade or lower when it came back?
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 12, 2022 11:56:15 GMT -5
I'm wondering, do people re-submit and have them come back lower sometimes? Seems crazy that resubmitting would work so often if it wasn't on purpose. I mean, surely they have records of their customers, and what they submit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2022 17:54:26 GMT -5
So, i'm guessing that if you submitted the old label, it would pretty much guarantee the same grade or lower when it came back?
The guys I know don't resubmit the old label if they are trying to get a higher grade.
One guy resubmitted a 4.5 after cleaning and pressing the book, and it came back 7.0. It was a Spidey key and that significant bump increased its value by almost $500.
A lot of savy collectors who deal in slabbed books look for flaws which were overlooked when the book was originally submitted for grading, but can be fixed. Cleaning, removing spine curl and pressing can do a world of good.
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