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Post by chaykinstevens on Aug 5, 2022 16:27:34 GMT -5
Liefeld's cover says "after Anderson." Apparently Rob didn't realise Brent Anderson only inked the Thing cover and Ron Wilson pencilled it.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Aug 5, 2022 17:17:55 GMT -5
It is revealed that Troll is 3000 years old, but it doesn't go into what ,where and why.. Because Rob wants him to be older than Wolverine? I don’t think I ever read in another comic about a buff hero having anxiety about becoming fat or having fears that he will become the fat young person he was. I want to say it was refreshing but it was also kind of creepy. I wonder if Liefeld was influenced by Keith Giffen and JM DeMatteis having Blue Beetle gain weight in Justice League America. Overtkill is a Todd Mcfarlane character who was named by Stan Lee. This is still the point in time when Liefeld was integrating other Image creators characters into his stories. That changes ,of course , when he leaves Image. When Overtkill appeared in Youngblood Strikefile #4 the indicia said he was owned by McFarlane, but Youngblood #7's indicia says he's jointly owned by Liefeld and McFarlane.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 5, 2022 19:51:26 GMT -5
Youngblood #8 Creator, Pencils, Story Rob Liefeld
Script, Editor Eric Stephenson
Inker Danny Miki Jonathan Sibal
Color Kiko Takanashi Donald Skinner Andre Khromov
Release date: 9-26-94
Synopsis:Shaft leads a team to Nevada to take on a group that defeated the 4 Team Youngblood members who were sent there in the previous issue. It turns out Kombat was killed in the skirmish and he is now taking a largely Untested mix of New members and Blood Pool members. When they arrive, Badrock is the first to engage two characters called Maddock and Blackrock. Blackrock goes down and when the rest of the team arrives and defeats various robots, they have Maddock surrounded. That’s when someone called Warwolf appears as back up to take on the remaining Youngblood. Two subplots are also part of this issue. One involves Chapel finding Spawn to talk about something not revealed to the reader Another shows Lt. Col Bravo enroute to what the writer calls the Gathering. Impressions: Badrock’s origin is explained. Turns out he drank a formula that his father created and was transformed into a granite skinned creature at age 15. The character called Blackrock was the first recipient to consume the same formula and they both look alike. Nothing is explained in this issue about Maddock. Since this story is a continuation from Team Youngblood #10, I think they explain things there. When Chapel finds Spawn in the alleys of New York, he shoots several homeless people who are Spawns friends. The end issue blurb promises everything will continue in issue # 10 instead of 9. It turns out #9 is the part of ImageX month. Image X was a month where the Image creators switched books. Liefeld did Shadowhawk, Larsen produced Wildcats, etc. Jim Valentino produces the next Youngblood issue. This book was released 2 months after the last one. It looks like you are forced to buy Team Youngblood to figure out what is going on in this series.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 5, 2022 20:25:59 GMT -5
Overtkill started as Overkill. It was created in a video, for Stabur, from a series that Stan Lee was doing (The Comic Book Greats). This particular one, Stan gives them the name, "Overkill" and Liefeld draws the character (one of his generic Terminator types, ala Cable) and McFarlane designed a logo. It was trademarked in all three names. When they put it into Spawn nd Youngblood, the name was changed and the copyright and trademark listings showed joint ownership with Todd & Rob. Todd also did a figure for it, if my memory is correct.
I bought a few of these; but, mostly the ones with actual legends, like Harvey Kurtzman & Jack Davis, the Romitas, Will Eisner, etc. I did see this one, though. There was also one with Jim Lee. he did one with a writer, Chris Claremont. Everyone else was an artist or writer/artist, which makes sense, for a visual feature. Kind of hard to present comic scripts, from writers. Also, it was marketed pretty much to the Marvel & Image crowd, though I think he might have had one with Bob Kane (which got pretty deep, with the Bat-guano). He and Will Eisner were friendly, but had definite philosophical differences about what constituted a good comic story. The Kurtzman one was a bit disappointing, but understandable, as his health was declining and he couldn't really draw. Jack Davis handled that. There was one with Sergio Aragones, which was fun.
Most are available, in parts or whole, on Youtube, including the Kurtzman & Davis, Eisner, Aragones, Claremont, Romitas, Kane and the Image guys.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 5, 2022 20:34:00 GMT -5
ps Warwolf sounds like some hillbilly trying to say "werewolf"......
"He done turned into a warwolf!"
"Get ma gun, boy!"
"Yee-haw....we's eatin' tonight!"
Maybe they should use that for the next time they try to resurrect the Beverly Hillbillies. The Clampetts: Monster Hunters! Granny destroys vampires with her rheumatism medicine (nastier than holy water) and Ellie Mae tries to tame the critters, like the warwolves and the terror possums. Jethro does his cypherin' of zombies and Jed makes a bubblin' crude flow out of the bodies he shoots.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 5, 2022 22:15:56 GMT -5
I think 'pyilence' is the Liefeld-est character I've ever seen. Is he power she can merge her feet into on foot that can stick to things and keep her upright, even just on the tip? Or is just she just a world-class ballerina? Or perhaps it's to quickly put on boots that go up to her crotch, even though she has arms like a tyrannosaurus/
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 6, 2022 7:21:29 GMT -5
Youngblood #9Writer, Pencils Jim Valentino
Inker Dan Fraga
Color
Bryan Talman Extreme Colors
Release date: 10-10-94Synopsis:This fill in story for the Image X month has Shadowhawk creator Jim Valentino doing a fun silly comedic type story about Badrock. He is optioned for a TV series and taken to Hollywood where hijinks follow. The end of the tale has the characters in the various Image books watching the world premiere only to see that the show is a kids cartoon making him into a joke. Impressions: Image X had all the main creators doing a story on other titles this month. Erik Larsen did Wildcats, Mcfarlane did Cyberforce, Liefeld did Shadowhawk, Jim Lee did Savage Dragon, Silvestrie did Spawn and of course Valentino on this book. Rumor has it that no one wanted Valentino to do their book considering him a lesser talent. It really was a nice gimmick but all the stories were stand alone books out of continuity. Erik Larsen didn’t want his run of Savage Dragon interrupted so he wrote and drew his own issue #13 after Lee did one. This story was goofy but I’m not a fan of Badrock and enjoyed seeing him eating s*%% at the end. The book has some fun cameos like Spider-man and Batman and has a splash with many if not all of the Image characters. I see someone in the upper right hand corner. Is it Neil Gaiman ? The George Perez inspired group splash page The book came out 2 weeks after the previous issue. No doubt due to it being produced by an outside studio. Interesting ad for Youngblood year one by Kurt Busiek and Rob. Some work on it was done including a cover from George Perez ,but it was never published.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 6, 2022 7:27:17 GMT -5
Another piece by the late Perez
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Post by chaykinstevens on Aug 6, 2022 9:20:08 GMT -5
That’s when someone called Warwolf appears as back up to take on the remaining Youngblood. Warwolf looks like a Sabretooth rip-off, with a name recyced from Rich Buckler's Deathlok. The letters page contradicts the previous issue by stating Troll is 2000 years old.
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Post by chaykinstevens on Aug 6, 2022 10:02:21 GMT -5
Interesting ad for Youngblood year one by Kurt Busiek and Rob. Some work on it was done including a cover from George Perez ,but it was never published. I think Liefeld hoped to emulate Alex Ross' work with Busiek on Marvels and was going to take some time out to learn to paint. Years later, Liefeld contacted Busiek to finish the series, but Busiek declined. He said Rob could use his plots, and have them scripted by someone else. Liefeld solicited it as Youngblood: Genesis, with Busiek listed as sole writer, leading Busiek to ask his fans not to buy the series. Two issues of Youngblood: Genesis were eventually published in 2004, with plots for two more issues scrapped because they involved other Image characters, to whom Rob no longer had the rights.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 6, 2022 17:44:46 GMT -5
Lesser talent my @##! Valentino could write rings around the bunch; but, superheroes weren't really his strong point. As an artist, he wasn't as flashy; but, his storytelling was better and he had a better handle on anatomy and composition. Sounds more like a fan thing, rather than the actual guys; but, who knows. There were some big egos in the bunch.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 6, 2022 18:54:21 GMT -5
Lesser talent my @##! Valentino could write rings around the bunch; but, superheroes weren't really his strong point. As an artist, he wasn't as flashy; but, his storytelling was better and he had a better handle on anatomy and composition. Sounds more like a fan thing, rather than the actual guys; but, who knows. There were some big egos in the bunch. Liefeld stated in his podcast that none of the other Image founders wanted him on their book. Liefeld was friends with Valentino and was mentored by him at Marvel. I agree that he had the most writing chops of the 7, but their focus was on big splashy art.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 6, 2022 20:33:02 GMT -5
Lesser talent my @##! Valentino could write rings around the bunch; but, superheroes weren't really his strong point. As an artist, he wasn't as flashy; but, his storytelling was better and he had a better handle on anatomy and composition. Sounds more like a fan thing, rather than the actual guys; but, who knows. There were some big egos in the bunch. Liefeld stated in his podcast that none of the other Image founders wanted him on their book. Liefeld was friends with Valentino and was mentored by him at Marvel. I agree that he had the most writing chops of the 7, but their focus was on big splashy art. Yeah, well, this is why I had little respect for most of that bunch, at the time, aside from most of their art not being my cup of tea (I like McFarlane's design sense and enjoyed his DC stuff; but never cared about Spidey and Spawn bored me). Loved Valentino's Normalman and the one issue I saw of Touch of Silver. Guardians of the Galaxy was decent, at the start, but lost steam by the end of the first year. Shadowhawk had a better premise than many of the other launches; but, not enough to get me to read more than the debut. I do believe he was what they needed, when he acted as publisher, bringing in indie talent, to bring some variety to Image. I think it helped them greatly, in the long run, despite some griping about sales and removing him for Larsen. Valentino was one of the more mature ones of the bunch (along with Silvestri and Lee), staying publicly professional, while Todd, Rob and Erik kept putting their collective feet in their mouths, when they launched. What do I know? I only followed The Maxx and Shaman's Tears, from beginning to end.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 6, 2022 20:45:22 GMT -5
I definitely would have read a YOungblood year 1 by Busiek, if it wasn't TOO terrible art wise.
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Post by commond on Aug 7, 2022 6:10:30 GMT -5
Valentino was older than the other Image founders and shared very little in common with them. He was part of a generation of cartoonists weened on underground comix and had stronger ties to those creators than his Image partners. He was the odd man out in the Image group and wasn't interested in making the same type of books as them. His book hadn't been a million seller, but he was one of Liefeld's closest friends in the business. The pair had a unique and interesting friendship despite their age difference and had shared a studio together while they were working at Marvel. They actually pitched a Young Avengers series to Marvel, but it was turned down because Marvel was about to launch New Warriors. The way Liefeld told the Image X Month story is that it was like kids picking sides for a sports game. Liefeld claims he broke the ice by picking Valentino since he knew no-one wanted him to draw their book. According to Rob, everyone respected him as a writer, but they didn't like his art. Liefeld didn't mention it, but I suspect sales were a factor as well. I get where the other creators were coming from. Valentino's style wasn't exactly the height of 90s cool. He was better suited to a Marvel book, IMO. He ended up doing semi-autobiographic stuff that was more in line with his interests and moved into the business side of things. The Image X Month was an interesting experiment, but aside from Liefeld and Valentino, I don't think the others were entirely comfortable with sharing their books. Rob ended up copying Frank Miller's Sin City style on Shadowhawk because he lacked confidence drawing Shadowhawk's costume. Look, it's Youngblood's biggest fan: They planned to do a comic together called The Hood.
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