Confessor
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Post by Confessor on Jun 20, 2022 7:23:59 GMT -5
Thinking about the fascinating responses here, I am reminded of how lucky us Brits were that some - and I stress some - writers/artists stayed on certain British strips for the duration. For instance, didn’t artist Joe Colquhoun stay on Charley’s War for its entire run? Ummm...I'd hesitate to say for sure, but thinking about it, yes, I believe Colquhoun was on board for the whole thing.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 20, 2022 8:46:35 GMT -5
René Goscinny's very untimely death brutally changed Astérix and Lucky Luke from brilliant series to mere franchises. I was still pretty young at the time and hardly cared about creators, but I immediately wondered why the new books weren't as good as the previous ones had been... in fact, why they weren't good, period. The look and style were there, sure, but it was like reading L. Sprague de Camp's Conan after having known Robert Howard's. A Frank Frazetta cover won't be enough to do the job.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 8:59:48 GMT -5
Peter David leaving the Hulk. Especially after he finally got paired with really good artists again after the abomination (pun intended) of the Sharpe/Medina era. The Hulk was David at his best, and he had more story left to tell.
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Post by badwolf on Jun 20, 2022 10:55:15 GMT -5
Roy Thomas leaving Conan left my favourite series into a state of utter disrepair for several years. Eventually new writers who knew how to write a proper S&S story would show up, but even these showed a near-complete disregard for the works of Robert E. Howard. By contrast, Roy's return a decade later was one of my happiest days as a comics reader! I was waiting for this one! As a modern reader of Conan, it's easy to stop once Roy leaves. I can't imagine what it must have been like if Conan was your favorite series, and you continued reading it for years after Thomas left. As an adult, I tend to read specific runs. It's rare for me to continue reading a book once the run is over. As a kid, it was the characters and the titles that attracted me. Of course, I had my favorite creators, but I was much more likely to read a book for the sake of the character than the creative team. I guess that's why I stayed with the X-books for so long after Claremont left, due to that misguided loyalty to the books and stubborn attachment to the characters. Did you collect Conan continuously until Roy returned? You never waivered? I too stayed with books for far too long because I still wanted to follow the characters. I guess the big two in this regard were Bill Mantlo's Alpha Flight and Steve Englehart's West Coast Avengers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 11:00:22 GMT -5
Peter David leaving the Hulk. Especially after he finally got paired with really good artist again after the abomination (pun intended) of the Sharpe/Medina era. The Hulk was David at his best, and he had more story left to tell. I sort of agree. It was sad when he left, but he had an epic run. I didn’t read all of it until years later, but I am glad I did.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 12:20:17 GMT -5
Roy Thomas leaving Conan left my favourite series into a state of utter disrepair for several years. Eventually new writers who knew how to write a proper S&S story would show up, but even these showed a near-complete disregard for the works of Robert E. Howard. By contrast, Roy's return a decade later was one of my happiest days as a comics reader! I was getting back into comics a little bit before Roy returned, and I had gone through enough of his '70s work (mostly through Saga) to be excited at the announcement of his return. His was one of the first creator names I started paying attention to.
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Post by Graphic Autist on Jun 20, 2022 12:38:29 GMT -5
John Byrne leaving the Fantastic Four sucked for me. I also was upset when Todd McFarlane left Amazing Spider-Man.
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Post by badwolf on Jun 20, 2022 13:48:28 GMT -5
John Byrne leaving the Fantastic Four sucked for me. Definitely a big disappointment. At least we got a good long run from him.
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Post by berkley on Jun 20, 2022 18:48:18 GMT -5
The Hernandez Brothers leaving Mister X: Seth came up with some marvellous artwork after they left but the Motter's writing was all over the place and the series as a whole never recovered. Motter's revised final issue, written several years after the original published version, was an improvement but not enough to get him out of the corner he'd painted himself into. I only recently read the complete series and this difference in the writing between the Hernandez issues and Motter's cannot be overstated.
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Post by Calidore on Jun 20, 2022 18:57:39 GMT -5
Thinking about the fascinating responses here, I am reminded of how lucky us Brits were that some - and I stress some - writers/artists stayed on certain British strips for the duration. For instance, didn’t artist Joe Colquhoun stay on Charley’s War for its entire run?
He was. This mention of British comics reminded me of another one, though; Strontium Dog wasn't at all the same without Carlos Ezquerra's spaghetti-western art.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 20, 2022 20:56:17 GMT -5
The Hernandez Brothers leaving Mister X: Seth came up with some marvellous artwork after they left but the Motter's writing was all over the place and the series as a whole never recovered. Motter's revised final issue, written several years after the original published version, was an improvement but not enough to get him out of the corner he'd painted himself into. I only recently read the complete series and this difference in the writing between the Hernandez issues and Motter's cannot be overstated. See, I was never wowed by the Hernandez Brothers on Mister X, visually. Have to say, though, I liked Motter and Michael Lark as a team, on his "failed future" stuff, than any other pairing, which is what made Terminal City so great. Also preferred Motter doing his own art, like on Electropolis.
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Post by berkley on Jun 20, 2022 21:41:33 GMT -5
The Hernandez Brothers leaving Mister X: Seth came up with some marvellous artwork after they left but the Motter's writing was all over the place and the series as a whole never recovered. Motter's revised final issue, written several years after the original published version, was an improvement but not enough to get him out of the corner he'd painted himself into. I only recently read the complete series and this difference in the writing between the Hernandez issues and Motter's cannot be overstated. See, I was never wowed by the Hernandez Brothers on Mister X, visually. Have to say, though, I liked Motter and Michael Lark as a team, on his "failed future" stuff, than any other pairing, which is what made Terminal City so great. Also preferred Motter doing his own art, like on Electropolis.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the Hernandezes: I thought their artwork was perfect for the stories they concocted, both Jaime's in the main story and Gilbert's in the back-up Tales of Somnopolis. I haven't read the later Mister X series yet or Terminal City or Electropolis so I'm talking only about the original 1980s Mister X. It could be I'll like Motter's writing in those later ones more than in the first, whenever I get around to them.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 20, 2022 22:53:30 GMT -5
See, I was never wowed by the Hernandez Brothers on Mister X, visually. Have to say, though, I liked Motter and Michael Lark as a team, on his "failed future" stuff, than any other pairing, which is what made Terminal City so great. Also preferred Motter doing his own art, like on Electropolis.
We'll have to agree to disagree on the Hernandezes: I thought their artwork was perfect for the stories they concocted, both Jaime's in the main story and Gilbert's in the back-up Tales of Somnopolis. I haven't read the later Mister X series yet or Terminal City or Electropolis so I'm talking only about the original 1980s Mister X. It could be I'll like Motter's writing in those later ones more than in the first, whenever I get around to them.
Oh, I can't agree to that!
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Post by berkley on Jun 21, 2022 0:34:59 GMT -5
We'll have to agree to disagree on the Hernandezes: I thought their artwork was perfect for the stories they concocted, both Jaime's in the main story and Gilbert's in the back-up Tales of Somnopolis. I haven't read the later Mister X series yet or Terminal City or Electropolis so I'm talking only about the original 1980s Mister X. It could be I'll like Motter's writing in those later ones more than in the first, whenever I get around to them.
Oh, I can't agree to that!
So we'll have to disagree to agree to disagree to ... this is starting to sound like one of those things they used to make computers explode with in 1960s tv shows. Although, I suppose it's more of an infinite loop than a logical contradiction.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 21, 2022 4:51:19 GMT -5
John Byrne leaving the Fantastic Four sucked for me. Definitely a big disappointment. At least we got a good long run from him. Well, long anyway. It was only good for about 60% of his time on the book.
Cei-U! Okay, maybe 75%...
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