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Post by james on Apr 10, 2022 11:53:23 GMT -5
I’m listening to Ifanboy podcast and it appears that Jack of Hearts has resurfaced in She-Hulk. Now I read very few current Marvel Titles ( Maestro series by Peter David actually being the only one) so I know I won’t be picking up the She Hulk series. During their podcast they want to keep stating how they have no idea what his history is and also that he was an Avenger. When it comes to the history part it pissed me off to listen to them continue to bemoan the fact that they didn’t know who he was. Why don’t you go do some research and read up in the character if it’s bothering you so badly and as far as being an Avenger I can’t recall him being in the Avengers except for a handful of issues that ended in his “death”. Does several issues make you a member?
When it comes to Jack as a character he was one of my all time favorite heroes and I would pick up anything he was in. He was a character that was perfect for Marvel Two-in-One or a limited series here and there. His costume was outlandish but he was written so well in his various guest appearances it never really bothered me. His origin was just a classic superhero origin. I guess the point of this rambling post is what did everyone else think of Jack?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2022 12:04:43 GMT -5
It really is incredible the overall laziness in an age when it would just take a quick Google search, people can't be bothered to even do that. Heck, even spelling. It still baffles me when people use "(sp?)" after something versus taking all of 15 seconds to search and get it right. I grew up like many of us in an age of literal print encyclopedias, libraries with physical books, microfiche if you wanted to get snazzy, etc.
But to your question, Jack hit right during my young years reading comic books and he was one of those "don't know if I would pick up his own headlining title, but love seeing him pop up everywhere else". Those early Iron Man issues I remember in particular, and as you mentioned Marvel Two-In-One. And I'm all about the 70's over the top costumes, love his visual design.
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Post by james on Apr 10, 2022 12:19:43 GMT -5
It really is incredible the overall laziness in an age when it would just take a quick Google search, people can't be bothered to even do that. Heck, even spelling. It still baffles me when people use "(sp?)" after something versus taking all of 15 seconds to search and get it right. I grew up like many of us in an age of literal print encyclopedias, libraries with physical books, microfiche if you wanted to get snazzy, etc. But to your question, Jack hit right during my young years reading comic books and he was one of those "don't know if I would pick up his own headlining title, but love seeing him pop up everywhere else". Those early Iron Man issues I remember in particular, and as you mentioned Marvel Two-In-One. And I'm all about the 70's over the top costumes, love his visual design. My all time favorite Iron man run , right behind the Carnelian Ambassador assignation 122-128 was 103-110
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Post by majestic on Apr 10, 2022 13:00:37 GMT -5
Indifferent. Not a character that would make me want to buy a book but it's not like I hate the character.
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 10, 2022 13:59:29 GMT -5
Always enjoyed the character, as a guest star; but, he never really had enough depth to sustain his own title, though he could have, if someone wanted to make a project of it. Artists hated the costume, as it was a lot of detail to draw; but, I always liked it. He was great in the hands of George Perez.
I first encountered him in The Incredible Hulk and he had a nice story there. I reviewed the Deadly Hands of Kung Fu stories, in my Games of Death and Deceit thread (about Shang Chi). The initial storyline was okay; a bit derivative (Bill Mantlo...go figure).
As far as not doing research, that seems to be symptomatic of the age, as I see it on professional website blogs (as in news broadcasters), Youtube videos (my favorite are the claims of this video or character being "banned," when they weren't seen because they were old news) and other things. It is easy to do a google search, though you get just as much bad or inaccurate info as you do good; so, you better cross check. A simple wikipedia check would at least give you issues to check and there are multiple sources on the internet to read Marvel and Dc Comics, for free, plus a lot of independents, modern and Golden Age. No excuse for that.
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Post by james on Apr 10, 2022 14:13:51 GMT -5
Always enjoyed the character, as a guest star; but, he never really had enough depth to sustain his own title, though he could have, if someone wanted to make a project of it. Artists hated the costume, as it was a lot of detail to draw; but, I always liked it. He was great in the hands of George Perez. I first encountered him in The Incredible Hulk and he had a nice story there. I reviewed the Deadly Hands of Kung Fu stories, in my Games of Death and Deceit thread (about Shang Chi). The initial storyline was okay; a bit derivative (Bill Mantlo...go figure). As far as not doing research, that seems to be symptomatic of the age, as I see it on professional website blogs (as in news broadcasters), Youtube videos (my favorite are the claims of this video or character being "banned," when they weren't seen because they were old news) and other things. It is easy to do a google search, though you get just as much bad or inaccurate info as you do good; so, you better cross check. A simple wikipedia check would at least give you issues to check and there are multiple sources on the internet to read Marvel and Dc Comics, for free, plus a lot of independents, modern and Golden Age. No excuse for that. Other than a cover or two did Perez do a full issue with Jack? IF so I have to get that.
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 10, 2022 14:49:05 GMT -5
Always enjoyed the character, as a guest star; but, he never really had enough depth to sustain his own title, though he could have, if someone wanted to make a project of it. Artists hated the costume, as it was a lot of detail to draw; but, I always liked it. He was great in the hands of George Perez. I first encountered him in The Incredible Hulk and he had a nice story there. I reviewed the Deadly Hands of Kung Fu stories, in my Games of Death and Deceit thread (about Shang Chi). The initial storyline was okay; a bit derivative (Bill Mantlo...go figure). As far as not doing research, that seems to be symptomatic of the age, as I see it on professional website blogs (as in news broadcasters), Youtube videos (my favorite are the claims of this video or character being "banned," when they weren't seen because they were old news) and other things. It is easy to do a google search, though you get just as much bad or inaccurate info as you do good; so, you better cross check. A simple wikipedia check would at least give you issues to check and there are multiple sources on the internet to read Marvel and Dc Comics, for free, plus a lot of independents, modern and Golden Age. No excuse for that. Other than a cover or two did Perez do a full issue with Jack? IF so I have to get that. Perez drew the character's debut in Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #21-24 and is considered his co-creator (even though Dave Cockrum designed his costume).
Cei-U! I summon the stacked deck!
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Post by berkley on Apr 10, 2022 15:04:58 GMT -5
Other than a cover or two did Perez do a full issue with Jack? IF so I have to get that. Perez drew the character's debut in Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #21-24 and is considered his co-creator (even though Dave Cockrum designed his costume).
Cei-U! I summon the stacked deck!
I always thought it was a nice character design, visually. My memory associates him with artist George Freeman, though I couldn't tell you what comic that's from without looking it up.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 10, 2022 15:44:06 GMT -5
I'm not convinced I've ever read a comic with him in it.
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 10, 2022 15:51:18 GMT -5
Perez drew the character's debut in Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #21-24 and is considered his co-creator (even though Dave Cockrum designed his costume).
Cei-U! I summon the stacked deck!
I always thought it was a nice character design, visually. My memory associates him with artist George Freeman, though I couldn't tell you what comic that's from without looking it up.
Freeman drew the 1984 Jack of Hearts mini-series.
Cei-U! I summon the citation!
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 10, 2022 16:28:43 GMT -5
Other than a cover or two did Perez do a full issue with Jack? IF so I have to get that. Perez drew the character's debut in Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #21-24 and is considered his co-creator (even though Dave Cockrum designed his costume).
Cei-U! I summon the stacked deck!
Kieth Giffen & Rico Rival did him initially (DHOKF #22), and then Gil Kane & Rico did the next (DHOKF #23), Giffen & The Tribe (DHOKF #24), James Sherman & The Tribe (DHOKF #26), Ron Wilson & Rudy Mesina (and Sonny Trinidad & Pete Lijauco) (DHOKF #29), George Perez & Sonny Trinidad (DHOKF #30), Joes Staton & Sonny Trinidad (DHOKF #31-32). Perez did the one story He was co-creator of White Tiger, which was where Jack of Hearts debuted, in a later story. He also did the cover for Iron Man #103, where Jack looks great on it, but George Tuska does the interior (which isn't bad; but, it is quite a variance in styles).
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Post by berkley on Apr 10, 2022 18:17:14 GMT -5
I always thought it was a nice character design, visually. My memory associates him with artist George Freeman, though I couldn't tell you what comic that's from without looking it up.
Freeman drew the 1984 Jack of Hearts mini-series.
Cei-U! I summon the citation!
It's funny I would remember it from that, because I had pretty much quit Marvel by that time. Maybe I leafed through it on the stands or something. I'll have to look at some samples online and see if any of it feels familiar.
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 10, 2022 18:34:45 GMT -5
Perez drew the character's debut in Deadly Hands of Kung Fu #21-24 and is considered his co-creator (even though Dave Cockrum designed his costume).
Cei-U! I summon the stacked deck!
Kieth Giffen & Rico Rival did him initially (DHOKF #22), and then Gil Kane & Rico did the next (DHOKF #23), Giffen & The Tribe (DHOKF #24), James Sherman & The Tribe (DHOKF #26), Ron Wilson & Rudy Mesina (and Sonny Trinidad & Pete Lijauco) (DHOKF #29), George Perez & Sonny Trinidad (DHOKF #30), Joes Staton & Sonny Trinidad (DHOKF #31-32). Perez did the one story He was co-creator of White Tiger, which was where Jack of Hearts debuted, in a later story. He also did the cover for Iron Man #103, where Jack looks great on it, but George Tuska does the interior (which isn't bad; but, it is quite a variance in styles). That's what I get for relying on my memory instead of my notes. Yup, I confused JoH and White Tiger. Thanks for the backstop, cody!
Cei-U! Oops!
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Post by codystarbuck on Apr 10, 2022 21:16:31 GMT -5
Kieth Giffen & Rico Rival did him initially (DHOKF #22), and then Gil Kane & Rico did the next (DHOKF #23), Giffen & The Tribe (DHOKF #24), James Sherman & The Tribe (DHOKF #26), Ron Wilson & Rudy Mesina (and Sonny Trinidad & Pete Lijauco) (DHOKF #29), George Perez & Sonny Trinidad (DHOKF #30), Joes Staton & Sonny Trinidad (DHOKF #31-32). Perez did the one story He was co-creator of White Tiger, which was where Jack of Hearts debuted, in a later story. He also did the cover for Iron Man #103, where Jack looks great on it, but George Tuska does the interior (which isn't bad; but, it is quite a variance in styles). That's what I get for relying on my memory instead of my notes. Yup, I confused JoH and White Tiger. Thanks for the backstop, cody!
Cei-U! Oops!
Well, I was thinking did more of the DHOKF stories; but, it was just the one. Since the character was introduced in the White Tiger feature, I get Perez mixed up with doing it all, when he did more Sons of the Tiger and White Tiger stories; but, didn't do all of them and just the one Jack of Hearts story. I think the Iron Man cover kind of added to that. Giffen had a bit in common with Perez, stylistically, in those days. He did more direct Kirby swipes; but, they had similar approaches to things and had similar design concepts. Perez developed more into his own style, while Giffen, even later, was still drawing heavily from an inspiration (from Kirby to Jose Munoz).
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Post by Confessor on Apr 11, 2022 3:00:43 GMT -5
I enjoyed Jack of Hearts if he ever turned up in something like Marvel Team-Up, but I never had any interest in picking up his mini-series. Nor would I have followed a regular series of his.
Wasn't his costume supposedly really hard work and laborious for artists to draw? What with all the detailing. I'm sure I've read that somewhere.
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