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Post by Prince Hal on Apr 19, 2022 14:21:17 GMT -5
Always have liked them both, but Swan is just a little too neat and controlled for me if you put them into showdown mode. It isn't that I dislike Swan, but I love Boring's version of Krypton and other planets, his impossibly chesty Superman, and his frequently used pose of Superman seemingly striding on the air. So cool. And how about the heat and passion of Superman's clinch with the ravishing Lyla Lerrol? That cut to the molten core of Krypton is a lot like the tide rushing over Burt Lancaster and Deborah Kerr on the beach in "From Here to Eternity," n'est-ce pas? Plus, I love the way he never mastered te art of drawing Clark Kent's eyeglasses when seen from the side!
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 6:30:48 GMT -5
Picking back up this thread, got a new showdown for this week. This time it's publishers, and the battle for "independence" during two separate decades. In the 80's, they were not the only game in town when it came to great indies, but First Comics was one of the best. Nexus, Badger, Grimjack, Jon Sable, American Flagg!, etc. This was the stuff that made me start putting down some of the Big 2 books back in the day, tons of great material here. In the 90's, Image Comics took success to a whole other level and actually became a viable business competitor to the long established Big 2. But also "spawned" (pun intended) a fair amount of criticism on the creative merits of their publications. Who wins the showdown this week (and Icctrombone, I may be wrong, but Image may need some love on this one!): First Comics (80's era) versus Image Comics (90's era)
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Post by Icctrombone on May 7, 2022 6:57:30 GMT -5
Picking back up this thread, got a new showdown for this week. This time it's publishers, and the battle for "independence" during two separate decades. In the 80's, they were not the only game in town when it came to great indies, but First Comics was one of the best. Nexus, Badger, Grimjack, Jon Sable, American Flagg!, etc. This was the stuff that made me start putting down some of the Big 2 books back in the day, tons of great material here. In the 90's, Image Comics took success to a whole other level and actually became a viable business competitor to the long established Big 2. But also "spawned" (pun intended) a fair amount of criticism on the creative merits of their publications. Who wins the showdown this week (and Icctrombone , I may be wrong, but Image may need some love on this one!): First Comics (80's era) versus Image Comics (90's era)Ha .The only book that I really think is high quality for Image is Savage Dragon. I think First wins hands down.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 7:10:57 GMT -5
Realizing my choice this week will likely be very one-sided, and I only have one last showdown before I wrap up this thread (I had a list made up at the start and now I'm at the end), I'll throw out that one as well if anyone is interested (feel free to comment on either, both, or neither):
Purely based on their work as inker, who takes the inkpot prize in this showdown:
Terry Austin versus Bob Layton
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Post by commond on May 7, 2022 7:26:01 GMT -5
In the long run, didn't Image kind of trounce First?
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 7:33:14 GMT -5
In the long run, didn't Image kind of trounce First? As a business, most certainly.
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Post by EdoBosnar on May 7, 2022 8:23:48 GMT -5
Austin beats Layton for me, but not by much.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on May 7, 2022 10:01:42 GMT -5
First. I read a lot (maybe most) of their books. Whereas the only Image book I read through most of the 90s was 1963. I pretty well disliked all the Image founders. Which feels odd since I probably read more Image books no than any other publisher.
Austin over Layton.
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Post by wildfire2099 on May 7, 2022 10:20:09 GMT -5
I don't think I've read enough First stuff to have an opinion there... before my time in comics. Definitely Layton over Austin... LOVE his Iron Man.
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Post by dbutler69 on May 7, 2022 14:31:59 GMT -5
Somehow, I have totally missed this awesome thread until now. Anyway, this is a really tough one, like really tough. I think I'm going to lean towards Layton, for much the same reason as wildfire2099 . And I've never read and First or Image, so I'll abstain on that one. From what I've seen, though, I strongly suspect I would have chosen Firt. I'm not a big fan of any of those Image creators, either.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 15:58:18 GMT -5
If it's just 90s era Image we're considering, then I'd choose First. If it's what Image has become in the 21st century, Image by a loooong margin. In the 21st century Image did what First did, offering great creators someone to publish their stuff and allow them to focus on the creative end of producing their own comics and offered them a much better deal than First did.
-M
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 17:08:52 GMT -5
Somehow, I have totally missed this awesome thread until now. Anyway, this is a really tough one, like really tough. I think I'm going to lean towards Layton, for much the same reason as wildfire2099 . And I've never read and First or Image, so I'll abstain on that one. From what I've seen, though, I strongly suspect I would have chosen Firt. I'm not a big fan of any of those Image creators, either. Glad you like the thread! I had a list of ideas going into it that I've now gone through, but if anyone else ever wants to throw something on here and likes the format, they are more than welcome to as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 17:15:51 GMT -5
If it's just 90s era Image we're considering, then I'd choose First. If it's what Image has become in the 21st century, Image by a loooong margin. In the 21st century Image did what First did, offering great creators someone to publish their stuff and allow them to focus on the creative end of producing their own comics and offered them a much better deal than First did. -M Self-admittedly I know very little about Image after the 90's. I remember reading the first few years of Invincible and thought it was pretty good, but not up there with say 80's Nexus. Any suggestions of good later Image material to check out? I think the only other title I even know about would be Walking Dead, but that's not a genre I would read.
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 17:58:27 GMT -5
If it's just 90s era Image we're considering, then I'd choose First. If it's what Image has become in the 21st century, Image by a loooong margin. In the 21st century Image did what First did, offering great creators someone to publish their stuff and allow them to focus on the creative end of producing their own comics and offered them a much better deal than First did. -M Self-admittedly I know very little about Image after the 90's. I remember reading the first few years of Invincible and thought it was pretty good, but not up there with say 80's Nexus. Any suggestions of good later Image material to check out? I think the only other title I even know about would be Walking Dead, but that's not a genre I would read. Image as a publisher is not a content creator, they are simply a publisher. They don't have a universe, the creators don't work for Image, Image works for the creators. If you want to check out interesting titles Image has published, look for creators you like first. But if you want some suggestions... Ed BrubakerFatale Criminal The Fade Out Reckless Pulp Velvet Kill or Be Killed Scene of the Crime Brian K. VaughanSaga Paper Girls Private Eye Rick RemenderFear Agent Black Science Deadly Class Low Seven To Eternity Jeff LemireDescender Ascender Primordial Gideon Falls After Death (AD) Family Tree James Tynion IVDepartment of Truth Kieron GillenDie The Wicked & Divine Phonogram J.H. Williams IIIEcholands Kurt BusiekAutumnlands Arrowsmith Astro City Marjorie LiuMonstress Warren EllisInjection Trees Greg RuckaBlack Magick Lazarus The Old Guard Eric ShanowerAge of Bronze David F. Walker Bitter Root Howard ChaykinCentury West Divided States of Hysteria Satellite Sam Hey Kids, Comics Colleen DoranA Distant Soil Brandon Thomas/Khary RandolphExcellence Frank Barbiere/Chris MooneyhamFive Ghosts Jason AaronSouthern Bastards Pornsak PichetshoteThe Good Asian Matt WagnerMage Gabriel Hardman/Corinna BechkoThe Invisible Republic Bryan Glass and Mike OemingMice Templar Karl Kesel/Tom GrummettSection Zero and then there's the stuff I haven't really checked out but has gotten a lot of positive buzz (I've hear a lot of great things about Radiant Black, but it's more of a super-hero thing and I just haven't gotten around to it yet). But to be clear, I am not a fan of Image, I am a fan of the books they put out, and if we were to put together a list of the best comics of the 21st century (I'm not sure what objective criteria we would use-Eisner nominations, critical reviews, sales, some amalgamation of the three, others?), a large portion of them were published by Image. Not created by Image, not editorially overseen by Image, but published by Image. In the direct market for comics, they are the publisher that operates most like one of the big publishers in the mass market book field. -M
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Post by Deleted on May 7, 2022 18:04:51 GMT -5
Thanks @mrp, and yeah, I'm tracking with you on their role as a publisher.
Didn't know some old favorites like Astro City and Mage had moved to the Image imprint, I'm behind the times! Will definitely be fun to go exploring, thanks again!
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