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Post by james on Apr 1, 2022 8:04:25 GMT -5
Today we’re going to France. Are Moebius or Tardi on your list? Can’t say. Haven’t seen enough of their work
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Post by Cei-U! on Apr 1, 2022 8:11:24 GMT -5
Day Five ChoicesIt’s Family Friday! Among the comic families we have John Buscema and Sal Buscema, Gilbert Hernandez and Jaime Hernandez, John Romita Sr and John Romita Jr, and the master lineage and teaching of Joe Kubert. Heck, include dark horse candidates like Mario Hernandez or a younger Kubert if you want! Much as I love the Buscemas, Romitas, and Kubert, none of them would make my Top Ten. Gilbert Hernandez is a definite yes (Jaime would probably be in my Top Fifteen). So that brings my list up to three so far: Kirby, Barks, and Beto.
Cei-U! My heart belongs to Palomar!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 8:25:44 GMT -5
Day Five ChoicesIt’s Family Friday! Among the comic families we have John Buscema and Sal Buscema, Gilbert Hernandez and Jaime Hernandez, John Romita Sr and John Romita Jr, and the master lineage and teaching of Joe Kubert. Heck, include dark horse candidates like Mario Hernandez or a younger Kubert if you want! Sal is my first hands down definite Top 10 so far, he was "my" Hulk artist growing up. Big John and Romita Sr. go in the "tentative" bucket with Kirby. I really want those 3 at the top as well, but feel like I'm going to run out of room at some point and have to make some tough decisions. Top 20 for sure on all though. Kubert I also have massive appreciation for as an artist, and if he had worked on more of my favorite titles, would easily be in the strong running. No love for JRJR. And I hate to admit this, because 80's Indies were totally my thing (a lot of the usual suspects, Cerebus, Nexus, Miracleman, etc.), but never got interested in Love and Rockets (love the band though, but I digress). So no to the Hernandez brothers, but appreciate what they accomplished.
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Post by MDG on Apr 1, 2022 8:45:09 GMT -5
Xaime is definitely in my top 10; Beto was in my initial 13 but didn't make the cut. Romita and Buscema are both excellent artists, but nowhere near my top. Kubert is much closer. In terms of offspring, my favorite is Johnny B's granddaughter Stephanie. Sh also did a fine job inking his work:
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Post by foxley on Apr 1, 2022 8:50:56 GMT -5
Day Five ChoicesIt’s Family Friday! Among the comic families we have John Buscema and Sal Buscema, Gilbert Hernandez and Jaime Hernandez, John Romita Sr and John Romita Jr, and the master lineage and teaching of Joe Kubert. Heck, include dark horse candidates like Mario Hernandez or a younger Kubert if you want! Of those Joe Kubert is a Yes. I like the art of the Buscemas and the Romitas just fine, but it is not top ten material in my book. I haven't really read anything by the Hernandez Bros., so they are really not even in contention for me.
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Post by badwolf on Apr 1, 2022 8:59:41 GMT -5
Yes to Buscemas. No to Hernandezes or Romitas. Joe Kubert would probably be on some kind of objective list but he wasn't a big part of my personal comics history.
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Post by Confessor on Apr 1, 2022 9:05:59 GMT -5
Day Five ChoicesIt’s Family Friday! Among the comic families we have John Buscema and Sal Buscema, Gilbert Hernandez and Jaime Hernandez, John Romita Sr and John Romita Jr, and the master lineage and teaching of Joe Kubert. Heck, include dark horse candidates like Mario Hernandez or a younger Kubert if you want! John Romita Sr would absolutely make my Top 10 -- Top 3, actually! He's just an amazing artist! His work on Amazing Spider-Man is the definitive take on the character. So, that's one! John Romita Jr on the other hand, I have really enjoyed a lot of his work -- particularly his Spider-Man stuff in the early 80s and again in the 2000s. But, I don't know, he wouldn't make my Top 10. As for the Buscemas, I really like them both -- Sal Buscema in particular is a bit underrated, I think. John's work is very bold, dynamic and heroic-looking, and just screams "Silver Age Marvel" to me (which is a good thing). Sal's not quite the artist John is, but he's no slouch either: I always enjoyed the art on the odd issue of Amazing Spider-Man he did and his tenure on Marvel Team-Up and Peter Parker: The Spectacular Spider-Man in the 70s and 80s features some really enjoyable artwork. Neither of them would be Top 10'ers for me though. Joe Kubert is someone whose artwork I like very much, but also someone who I have very few comics by. So, for that alone he's not a Top 10 candidate.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Apr 1, 2022 9:17:38 GMT -5
Day Five ChoicesIt’s Family Friday! Among the comic families we have John Buscema and Sal Buscema, Gilbert Hernandez and Jaime Hernandez, John Romita Sr and John Romita Jr, and the master lineage and teaching of Joe Kubert. Heck, include dark horse candidates like Mario Hernandez or a younger Kubert if you want! Of those listed Joe Kubert would be the closest. Probably not top ten, but surely top twenty. His sons wouldn't even hit my radar. John and Sal Buscema are both artists I like, but not close to top ten. Romita, Sr. would be a top 50 creator, probably. Romita, Jr. wouldn't be close. I've tried to read Love and Rockets a number of times and it does nothing at all for me. So I got nothing on any of the Hernandez boys.
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Post by berkley on Apr 1, 2022 9:20:11 GMT -5
Gilbert and Jaime Hernandez: Yes to both. Two of my all-time favourites.
Mario Hernandez: No. It's hard to judge because everything I've read has been in collaboration with his brothers, and it's impossible to tell his contributions. And I haven't seen enough in any case.
John Buscema: another tentative No. this is where it gets tough and I'd probably have to start counting. My favourite work of his would be very close - the Alcala collaborations in SSoC and the work with Klein on the Avengers.
Sal Buscema: No. Dependable artist but not a personal favourite.
John Romita Sr: No. I really like his classic Spider-Man run without it coming anywhere near my top ten.
John Romita Jr: No. Not a fan at all.
Joe Kubert: No. A master, but I've never liked his style.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Apr 1, 2022 9:36:06 GMT -5
Yes to Joe Kubert. Has been a favorite of mine for a long time. Romita Sr is really close, maybe just outside a top ten. I've planned to read Love and Rockets for decades, and really like the bits I've seen here and there, but until I finally get around to it I obviously can't rank Los Bros. The others, no, even though I've enjoyed all their work over the years
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Post by EdoBosnar on Apr 1, 2022 10:14:25 GMT -5
Hmmm. Tough choices. I'll say yes to both Sal and John Buscema. Kubert, Romita Sr. and the Hernandez brothers don't quite make the cut - kind of like Moebius and Barks (that category is becoming pretty big for me). I find Romita Jr's work solid, but nothing that would make me rank him higher than many others.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 1, 2022 10:19:47 GMT -5
I like everyone on the slate for today to various degrees. Joe Kubert is in my top 3 so yes to him.
I like Andy and Adam's work. When they were younger, you could really see the Kubert school influence in their work. As they came into their own in the 90s, both shifted their styles a bit to reflect the 90s zeitgeist in comics and I liked it less. I noticed some of their more recent stuff though, it seems the older they get, the more they are returning to their roots and I like the recent stuff more than in their Marvel heydey of the 90s.
John Buscema, when he is invested in what he is doing, would be top tier for me but not top 10. However, far too much of the body of work he did he was not invested in and it shows. It was never bad, he was too much a master draftsman for that, but there is a noticeable difference in quality on stuff he was doing that he liked doing and stuff he was doing simply because it was the work available at the time and the faster he met deadlines the more work he could do and the more page rates he could collects.
I like Sal much more as an inker than a penciller. I find his layouts have a repetitive sameness to them after a while that gets stale if you read to much of it at once. You don't notice it in the moment all the time, but if you look at runs over different books at different times you start to see a sameness.
I like Romita Sr. and he was a master of his craft, but I was never engages by his work as some of his peers so he never rose to top tier for me.
Romita Jr. has a certain dynamism to his work, which at times makes it interesting, but he falls short on body language and expression of emotion in faces. Far too often his male figures are interchangeable and if it weren't for coloring and costumes they would be indistinguishable. But the pages are certainly dynamic and the storytelling (other than figure recognition) is solid.
For years I avoided Love and Rockets and the work of Los Bros Hernandez. Not sure why, probably mostly youthful ignorance and hubris mixing to toxic levels and a lack of awareness of my own bias blindness. Part of it a bad experience at a Newbury Comics in college with a clerk who was a dick to everyone who wasn't buying Love and Rockets and openly insulting them and the books they did buy causing a bit of resentment toward the book that lingered for a while and ignoring it out of spite for a bit. But when I did finally check their stuff out it blew me away. I highly respect their work now, but not everything they do is my cuppa. I like what little of Love and Rockets I have read, but I haven't been motivated to rush out and check out the rest. So they would likely fall in that second tier of creators in my personal pantheon despite me recognizing how amazingly talented they are at what they do.
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Post by shaxper on Apr 1, 2022 10:22:15 GMT -5
Day Five ChoicesIt’s Family Friday! Among the comic families we have John Buscema and Sal Buscema, Gilbert Hernandez and Jaime Hernandez, John Romita Sr and John Romita Jr, and the master lineage and teaching of Joe Kubert. Heck, include dark horse candidates like Mario Hernandez or a younger Kubert if you want! How about married couples? Walt and Wheezy, The Pinis, the Kesels, maybe even the Weins? Personally, the only family that might make my list are Gilbert and Jaime Hernandez.
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Post by majestic on Apr 1, 2022 10:24:49 GMT -5
Gilbert and Jaime Hernandez: No.
John Buscema: a tentative No.Sal Buscema: No.
John Romita Sr: No.
John Romita Jr: No.
Joe Kubert: YES!
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Post by badwolf on Apr 1, 2022 10:44:18 GMT -5
Day Five ChoicesIt’s Family Friday! Among the comic families we have John Buscema and Sal Buscema, Gilbert Hernandez and Jaime Hernandez, John Romita Sr and John Romita Jr, and the master lineage and teaching of Joe Kubert. Heck, include dark horse candidates like Mario Hernandez or a younger Kubert if you want! How about married couples? Walt and Wheezy, The Pinis, the Kesels, maybe even the Weins? Personally, the only family that might make my list are Gilbert and Jaime Hernandez. Walter Simonson would certainly be on my list.
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