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Post by Roquefort Raider on Feb 28, 2022 8:48:07 GMT -5
One thing that bugs me about the origin is that presumably Matt suffered from chemical burns but he has no scarring on his face. Are we meant to believe that radiation blinded him? How is that supposed to work?
According to comic-book science, the radiation turned into transistors, which in turn activated Matt's latent mutant powers that transformed him into a sonar elemental.
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Post by kirby101 on Feb 28, 2022 9:06:04 GMT -5
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Post by commond on Feb 28, 2022 9:16:26 GMT -5
One thing that bugs me about the origin is that presumably Matt suffered from chemical burns but he has no scarring on his face. Are we meant to believe that radiation blinded him? How is that supposed to work?
According to comic-book science, the radiation turned into transistors, which in turn activated Matt's latent mutant powers that transformed him into a sonar elemental.
Even in the Ninja Turtles origin, the canister simply hits Matt in the face. It then bounces several times and eventually smashes open releasing its core like some kind of spent fuel rod. So how does Matt get blinded? Where is the spill if the radioactive material is inside the canister and the canister simply hits Matt in the face? I am pretty sure the truck swerves, which explains the canister or the drum falling from the truck, but the finer points will keep me up at night.
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 28, 2022 9:58:36 GMT -5
If memory serves, in one of the origin retellings (drawn, if not written, by Miller) it was Matt looking directly into the open cannister that blinded him, rather than his being struck across the face by it. That makes a lot more sense, and minimizes his direct exposure to the radiation.
Cei-U! I summon the fried retinas!
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Post by badwolf on Feb 28, 2022 10:29:12 GMT -5
In the What If retelling (before the divergence moment), the truck crashes and a man on board throws the cannister out to keep it from the flames. When it hits the ground it cracks open and Matt stares directly at the radioactive material. In the original story a bystander comments that it struck his face, but you know how bystanders are, always confused about things that happened.
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Post by badwolf on Feb 28, 2022 10:42:17 GMT -5
And hey, I just compared Son of Origins with the Daredevil omnibus and am noticing some discrepancies. I'm going to assume that the omnibus has the original panels, so it seems like some panels were cropped for the Origins reprint. Was this typical? Were the page proportions different enough from the original comic that this needed to be done?
Panel one, where the truck is bearing down on the old man, seems to have been redrawn to some extent. The old man looks mostly the same other than he's holding his cane at a different angle, but the truck and its occupants look completely different. In Origins, large portions of the front of the truck (including the weird license plate) and the people inside are "blacked out." The lettering on the truck has also been redone, although it says the same thing.
Also, the coloring is completely different between the Origins and the Omnibus. To be honest, I think the Origins version looks better. Maybe they did recolor those stories to a certain extent? (This doesn't affect the passenger of the truck's race, as he isn't even visible in the Origins version.) I really hope the omnibus hasn't been recolored.
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 28, 2022 11:16:06 GMT -5
Well said. The historical record is exactly that. If some cannot deal with information relevant to the examination of an artist and/or his work, then, that is a problem they will need to live with.
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Post by tarkintino on Feb 28, 2022 11:24:35 GMT -5
And hey, I just compared Son of Origins with the Daredevil omnibus and am noticing some discrepancies. I'm going to assume that the omnibus has the original panels, so it seems like some panels were cropped for the Origins reprint. Was this typical? Were the page proportions different enough from the original comic that this needed to be done? Panel one, where the truck is bearing down on the old man, seems to have been redrawn to some extent. The old man looks mostly the same other than he's holding his cane at a different angle, but the truck and its occupants look completely different. In Origins, large portions of the front of the truck (including the weird license plate) and the people inside are "blacked out." The lettering on the truck has also been redone, although it says the same thing. Also, the coloring is completely different between the Origins and the Omnibus. To be honest, I think the Origins version looks better. Maybe they did recolor those stories to a certain extent? (This doesn't affect the passenger of the truck's race, as he isn't even visible in the Origins version.) I really hope the omnibus hasn't been recolored. In the 70s, it was a common practice for many Marvel reprints (whether TPB or monthlies) to omit certain panels believed to not have an impact on the overall story in favor of ad space. In addition to Son of Origins, you can see similar edits in Marvel Tales Volumes 1 & 2 (this is most notable in the reprinting of The Amazing Spider-Man #121-122), Marvel Super Action, primarily reprinting Captain America and The Avengers issues from the late 60s, with the reprint of The Avengers Special #2 receiving a good number of edits, Fantasy Masterpieces (Volume 2), and even many of their 70s war and horror titles reprinting 1950s stories.
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Post by MDG on Feb 28, 2022 11:51:28 GMT -5
And hey, I just compared Son of Origins with the Daredevil omnibus and am noticing some discrepancies. I'm going to assume that the omnibus has the original panels, so it seems like some panels were cropped for the Origins reprint. Was this typical? Were the page proportions different enough from the original comic that this needed to be done? Panel one, where the truck is bearing down on the old man, seems to have been redrawn to some extent. The old man looks mostly the same other than he's holding his cane at a different angle, but the truck and its occupants look completely different. In Origins, large portions of the front of the truck (including the weird license plate) and the people inside are "blacked out." The lettering on the truck has also been redone, although it says the same thing. Also, the coloring is completely different between the Origins and the Omnibus. To be honest, I think the Origins version looks better. Maybe they did recolor those stories to a certain extent? (This doesn't affect the passenger of the truck's race, as he isn't even visible in the Origins version.) I really hope the omnibus hasn't been recolored. In the 70s, it was a common practice for many Marvel reprints (whether TPB or monthlies) to omit certain panels believed to not have an impact on the overall story in favor of ad space. In addition to Son of Origins, you can see similar edits in Marvel Tales Volumes 1 & 2 (this is most notable in the reprinting of The Amazing Spider-Man #121-122), Marvel Super Action, primarily reprinting Captain America and The Avengers issues from the late 60s, with the reprint of The Avengers Special #2 receiving a good number of edits, Fantasy Masterpieces (Volume 2), and even many of their 70s war and horror titles reprinting 1950s stories. According to the GCD, the story was reprinted in Marvel Super Heroes in '66. Be interesting to see what's in that version
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Post by Cei-U! on Feb 28, 2022 12:13:19 GMT -5
Aside from being recolored, the story as reprinted in the '66 Marvel Super-Heroes one-shot is identical to DD #1 (including that "Chinese" license plate).
Cei-U! I summon the double-check!
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Post by badwolf on Feb 28, 2022 13:09:41 GMT -5
And hey, I just compared Son of Origins with the Daredevil omnibus and am noticing some discrepancies. I'm going to assume that the omnibus has the original panels, so it seems like some panels were cropped for the Origins reprint. Was this typical? Were the page proportions different enough from the original comic that this needed to be done? Panel one, where the truck is bearing down on the old man, seems to have been redrawn to some extent. The old man looks mostly the same other than he's holding his cane at a different angle, but the truck and its occupants look completely different. In Origins, large portions of the front of the truck (including the weird license plate) and the people inside are "blacked out." The lettering on the truck has also been redone, although it says the same thing. Also, the coloring is completely different between the Origins and the Omnibus. To be honest, I think the Origins version looks better. Maybe they did recolor those stories to a certain extent? (This doesn't affect the passenger of the truck's race, as he isn't even visible in the Origins version.) I really hope the omnibus hasn't been recolored. In the 70s, it was a common practice for many Marvel reprints (whether TPB or monthlies) to omit certain panels believed to not have an impact on the overall story in favor of ad space. In addition to Son of Origins, you can see similar edits in Marvel Tales Volumes 1 & 2 (this is most notable in the reprinting of The Amazing Spider-Man #121-122), Marvel Super Action, primarily reprinting Captain America and The Avengers issues from the late 60s, with the reprint of The Avengers Special #2 receiving a good number of edits, Fantasy Masterpieces (Volume 2), and even many of their 70s war and horror titles reprinting 1950s stories. I know that panels were sometimes omitted from the comic book reprints but what I'm talking about here is the slight cropping of the panels themselves. No panels are omitted. They just show less of the art.
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Post by The Cheat on Feb 28, 2022 13:58:05 GMT -5
One thing that bugs me about the origin is that presumably Matt suffered from chemical burns but he has no scarring on his face. Are we meant to believe that radiation blinded him? How is that supposed to work? According to comic-book science, the radiation turned into transistors, which in turn activated Matt's latent mutant powers that transformed him into a sonar elemental.
What, no magnets?
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Post by Marv-El on Mar 1, 2022 13:56:29 GMT -5
The scene partially as depicted in the Man Without Fear story. Here at least it makes more sense about how the radioactive material got loose, with how the barrels are stored and how the accident caused to them to fall. While they don't show exactly how the ooze hit Matt, the following page shows young Matt in the hospital, his eyes bandaged but we can see small patches of green ooze around the edge of his bandages. One part of this origin that I've never quite understood is any accountability of this company and their radioactive waste. After this moment, they're hardly heard of or from again (at least to my knowledge). One reason (among many) that I love MWF is that Miller touches upon this to some degree for there is a scene after Matt returns home in which Jack is arguing with representatives of this company about some sort of settlement since it was their gunk that done to his boy. They respond with threatening to reveal his involvement and actions with the Fixer, implying that this company (still unnamed) isn't totally above board (as seen by transporting hazardous waste through the city in the first place). Although if this origin was redone/rebooted today, I can't help but think that this ooze would somehow be connected to a larger MU company like Oscorp, Roxxon, and maybe even Stark.
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Post by MDG on Mar 1, 2022 14:55:12 GMT -5
Although if this origin was redone/rebooted today, I can't help but think that this ooze would somehow be connected to a larger MU company like Oscorp, Roxxon, and maybe even Stark. Speaking of ooze, isn't it "cannon" that this is the same stuff that brought about the TMNT?
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Post by badwolf on Mar 1, 2022 14:59:50 GMT -5
In the What If story there is a Stark connection; he sees the accident, mentions that he warned them not to take the stuff through the city and that he wanted to arrange air transport. So he takes responsibility and flies Matt to SHIELD for treatment.
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