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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 25, 2021 0:29:35 GMT -5
Originally planned for a May 16th release, it currently stays at the pre-sale stage even though Amazon.es still has a June 23rd release date for it. It has seen several changes over the course of the past month.
Release dates have been a joke as of late, and this one is a prime example. If you go to the .com or the .co.uk sites, you get different dates even today (29th and 15th respectively).
My copy is still pending shipping. I'll update the thread once I actually get it. (What a mess).
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 25, 2021 17:06:48 GMT -5
This is why I never pre-order collections, especially from Marvel.
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 25, 2021 23:45:45 GMT -5
Well, if it's delayed too much, you can always cancel. I bought it for 30€ and now it's at 36€. And I bought it on the 23rd, so not much waiting so far.
More than anything is the mess with the dates on different sites, is it so difficult to know when something is actually going out?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2021 1:32:54 GMT -5
Well, if it's delayed too much, you can always cancel. I bought it for 30€ and now it's at 36€. And I bought it on the 23rd, so not much waiting so far. More than anything is the mess with the dates on different sites, is it so difficult to know when something is actually going out? All depends on where it's printed. If its printed outside the US or outside North America and being transported by ship, there are huge variables when it will actually arrive and be available to ship to distributors. When I was freelancing in the rpg industry, one of the publishers I worked with printed in Asia, and there was a 3-6 month window from the time it finished printing to when it arrived in their hands due to the variables with things like transport times, customs, etc. There are always a number of factors out of the hands of the actual publishers that affect turnaround times between the time they send the product off to be produced and receive the finished product back in their hands. Especially in the post-pandemic era of labor shortages, transportation delays, production and material shortages due to the earlier pandemic shutdowns, etc. it's a feat if products even come close to their initial projected release dates, so yes, it is especially difficult in this day and age to know exactly when something is going to come out. Delays are the norm now, not the exception. -M
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 26, 2021 3:42:59 GMT -5
In the case of Marvel trades, when I buy from Amazon.es I usually get them from the UK, so I'd say they're printed there (many have the Panini logo). They're also shipped from that location into Europe, and it only takes a few days for the product to finish the travel, even when selecting free shipping. And yet, I've been getting a vague "available in 4 or 5 days" since yesterday or the day before, but at Amazon.co.uk it shows as published for two weeks now and available. If they have it, I don't get what the hold up is about, and if they don't what's the difficulty in checking availability for expired dates? It's not like you need a time machine to check that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2021 3:57:55 GMT -5
In the case of Marvel trades, when I buy from Amazon.es I usually get them from the UK, so I'd say they're printed there (many have the Panini logo). They're also shipped from that location into Europe, and it only takes a few days for the product to finish the travel, even when selecting free shipping. And yet, I've been getting a vague "available in 4 or 5 days" since yesterday or the day before, but at Amazon.co.uk it shows as published for two weeks now and available. If they have it, I don't get what the hold up is about, and if they don't what's the difficulty in checking availability for expired dates? It's not like you need a time machine to check that. Yes, but if the book has the same on sale or release date everywhere, and there is a delay in one region, they will hold it back everywhere so it goes on sale everywhere at once. So even though the copies you get may be printed in the UK and shipped to Europe, a delay in copies printed elsewhere is going to affect the release date of those books. as would labor shortages at the printing plants, delays because the printers are overbooked with a surge of products being rushed to print in the post-pandemic era, paper supply shortages or issues affecting the production of all printed materials everywhere, shipping of those paper supplies to the printing plants to keep production going etc. There are literally thousands of variables that all have to go right for a company to hit those projected dates, and in normal circumstances that happens far more often than not, but these are not normal circumstances for any area of industrial production these days, and even one of those thousands of variables falling the wrong way can create significant delays in the release of a product. Printing the book in the UK and shipping it to Europe is at the end of that long chain of variables, there's a lot that could go wrong long before it gets to that point and none of those variables are known when they have to create an estimated release date to solicit those books several months in advance to even begin to account for them in those estimated dates. And Amazon has literally millions of products listed and have no where near the level of staffing to check and update release dates on all those products on any kind of regular basis if any of those variables do fall wrong, especially ones that are moving as few units as a comic book collected edition does. But sure, it's not difficult to do... -M
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 26, 2021 10:09:50 GMT -5
In the case of Marvel trades, when I buy from Amazon.es I usually get them from the UK, so I'd say they're printed there (many have the Panini logo). They're also shipped from that location into Europe, and it only takes a few days for the product to finish the travel, even when selecting free shipping. And yet, I've been getting a vague "available in 4 or 5 days" since yesterday or the day before, but at Amazon.co.uk it shows as published for two weeks now and available. If they have it, I don't get what the hold up is about, and if they don't what's the difficulty in checking availability for expired dates? It's not like you need a time machine to check that. Yes, but if the book has the same on sale or release date everywhere, and there is a delay in one region, they will hold it back everywhere so it goes on sale everywhere at once. So even though the copies you get may be printed in the UK and shipped to Europe, a delay in copies printed elsewhere is going to affect the release date of those books. as would labor shortages at the printing plants, delays because the printers are overbooked with a surge of products being rushed to print in the post-pandemic era, paper supply shortages or issues affecting the production of all printed materials everywhere, shipping of those paper supplies to the printing plants to keep production going etc. There are literally thousands of variables that all have to go right for a company to hit those projected dates, and in normal circumstances that happens far more often than not, but these are not normal circumstances for any area of industrial production these days, and even one of those thousands of variables falling the wrong way can create significant delays in the release of a product. Printing the book in the UK and shipping it to Europe is at the end of that long chain of variables, there's a lot that could go wrong long before it gets to that point and none of those variables are known when they have to create an estimated release date to solicit those books several months in advance to even begin to account for them in those estimated dates. And Amazon has literally millions of products listed and have no where near the level of staffing to check and update release dates on all those products on any kind of regular basis if any of those variables do fall wrong, especially ones that are moving as few units as a comic book collected edition does. But sure, it's not difficult to do... -M It doesn't, I've been saying that.
You think that's something they need to do manually? I imagine they have some way of automating such tasks, and I'm not even talking neural nets, although I'm not saying they don't have access to them either.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2021 10:19:04 GMT -5
Yes, but if the book has the same on sale or release date everywhere, and there is a delay in one region, they will hold it back everywhere so it goes on sale everywhere at once. So even though the copies you get may be printed in the UK and shipped to Europe, a delay in copies printed elsewhere is going to affect the release date of those books. as would labor shortages at the printing plants, delays because the printers are overbooked with a surge of products being rushed to print in the post-pandemic era, paper supply shortages or issues affecting the production of all printed materials everywhere, shipping of those paper supplies to the printing plants to keep production going etc. There are literally thousands of variables that all have to go right for a company to hit those projected dates, and in normal circumstances that happens far more often than not, but these are not normal circumstances for any area of industrial production these days, and even one of those thousands of variables falling the wrong way can create significant delays in the release of a product. Printing the book in the UK and shipping it to Europe is at the end of that long chain of variables, there's a lot that could go wrong long before it gets to that point and none of those variables are known when they have to create an estimated release date to solicit those books several months in advance to even begin to account for them in those estimated dates. And Amazon has literally millions of products listed and have no where near the level of staffing to check and update release dates on all those products on any kind of regular basis if any of those variables do fall wrong, especially ones that are moving as few units as a comic book collected edition does. But sure, it's not difficult to do... -M It doesn't, I've been saying that. You think that's something they need to do manually? I imagine they have some way of automating such tasks, and I'm not even talking neural nets, although I'm not saying they don't have access to them either. If you have say 500,000 products listed as preorders, and 117 of them have delays, each of a different initial release date and a different new release date, how is one going to automate that when they all come from different manufacturers, have different estimated release dates, different new release dates, some of which might have price changes, some not, etc. etc. I am sure there is automation to list them initially, and automation to switch a product from pre-order to available when it is actually released. But the time in between where each product has unique potential changes, you will spend as much time trying to code an automation as you would manually checking each one, as you will have to update the code with each delay. Even if they have some kind of software in place that can flag books that miss their initial estimated release date, the changes needed are unique to each product, so how would they automate that? And if those needed changes occur before the initial release date passes, your automation isn't going to have a common trigger to flag things to make automation easier and quicker than updating manually. Those updates likely aren't happening because there is no software system that actually works to manage all those variables efficiently. If there was, and it was cost-efficient, it would likely be in place. -M
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Post by Ozymandias on Jun 27, 2021 6:37:43 GMT -5
Adjusting the release date to match manufacturers deviations from the original compromise would be ideal, but at the very least, they could just get real with the date they're at and delete an outdated release estimate as soon as they reach that point in each site/zone. That's as automatic and easy as it is to change the status from "per-release" to "available", which is something they do.
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Post by Ozymandias on Aug 23, 2021 14:33:12 GMT -5
Apparently, even the basic term "in stock" loses its meaning for some people. Despite having been "available" since early July, no one can positively tell me why they won't send it.
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