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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 27, 2020 12:30:05 GMT -5
I do have one question/clarification-you said artists who script their own work are not eligible, and that's clear, but what if said artist worked as a scripter on a book/project where someone else did the art and they were only the writer/scripter for that project/book? Would they be eligible on the basis of those works, or is the fact they at some point drew as well scripted a project make them ineligible. I don't have a specific single example in mind, as I haven't even started brainstorming my list, but there are several creators to whom this applies that come to mind immediately. -M Yes, you may cite a writer who scripts both his own and others' art, as long as you're only considering the latter in making your selection.
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 27, 2020 12:32:17 GMT -5
I'm confused by Paragraph 6, where you say: "Each participating poster will draw up a list of their favorite cartoonists"... As well you might be. It has been corrected.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2020 14:25:15 GMT -5
I am so very ready for this one, as writers are pretty much my passion when it comes to talking classic comics. Started with a long list of 38 and believe I've already whittled it down to my final 12 with no shortage of regret and remorse. I am a little aghast to realize that my final twelve consists entirely of white dudes, and even then, most of them are Jewish American or Irish American. Apparently, my comic reading preferences are a lot less diverse than my novel reading preferences. It is definitely fun being able to go all the way up to 2011 now, as I feel like there was a shift in the mid 2000s as a counterbalance to the art-driven industry of the 1990s where, for a time, the writer was what sold a book more than anything else. Lots of great writers entered the industry and earned acclaim during the 2000s, and a lot of over-hyped, substance-less hacks got their time in the spotlight as well. Just a head's up now--anyone who chooses Grant Morrison is getting funny looks from me until at least Groundhog's Day. Thanks as always, Kurt, for keeping the tradition alive! You're right: we needed this. Most of the female writers I would consider favorite writers are writer/artists and their major works as writers are also drawn by them (creators like Linda Medley, Trina Robbins. Carla Speed McNeil, Colleen Doran, etc.) so not eligible for the list, or have emerged in the last 10 years so there work is not old enough to qualify (G. Willow Wilson, Kelly Sue DeConnick, Joelle Jones, etc.), so my list will likely be heavily slanted towards males as well. Of course, most of my favorite writers are also cartoonists (Eisner, Jeff Smith, Joe Kubert, Kirby, Terry Moore, Darwyn Cooke, etc.) and don't have a large body of work of stuff as writer/scripter only, so my initial list is a lot slimmer than I had originally thought it might be when I read the topic choice before reading the nitty gritty of it. Still I have an initial list of about 18-20 to work with over the next couple of weeks to pare it down to my 12. I still have to do a little more brainstorming though as I am working a split today and don't have much time to devote to this until tomorrow. -M |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 27, 2020 14:41:17 GMT -5
This sounds like a really wide open theme, can't wait to see where everyone goes with this And Kurt's rules don't require the writer to be the sole plotter, though you are free to impose that limitation upon yourself. Of course, how do you know they plotted it entirely on their own, without input from the artist, the editor, or the guy they met on the elevator that morning? I helped Stan Sakai plot an Usagi story while I was giving him a ride back from dinner once. You won't find my name in the credits for that issue. Wait..what! How have I not heard this yet!? Which issue? It's been a while since I read it. I don't recall much of what I suggested actually making it onto the page. Rather, my ideas inspired Stan's ideas. He'd spent years trying to figure out what to do with the Lord of Owls, and our ten minute car ride didn't definitively change that but, at the end of the ride, he told me I'd helped him a great deal. It's always possible he was just being nice, but I can't imagine the man lied to me in order to stroke my ego. |
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Post by MDG on Nov 27, 2020 14:44:43 GMT -5
Of course, most of my favorite writers are also cartoonists (Eisner, Jeff Smith, Joe Kubert, Kirby, Terry Moore, Darwyn Cooke, etc.)..... Yeah, that's my problem as well, in general if not the particulars. But offhand I think I can come up with a dozen. |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 27, 2020 14:48:26 GMT -5
Of course, most of my favorite writers are also cartoonists (Eisner, Jeff Smith, Joe Kubert, Kirby, Terry Moore, Darwyn Cooke, etc.)..... Yeah, that's my problem as well, in general if not the particulars. But offhand I think I can come up with a dozen. Being able to eliminate those creators made my list so much easier to arrive at. |
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Post by Cei-U! on Nov 27, 2020 15:04:45 GMT -5
Considering that I literally only decided on this year's theme three days ago, it didn't take me long to come up with my final 12. I had to toss aside some pretty good writers, though, and that's always a drag.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 27, 2020 16:47:48 GMT -5
I know my number one and two, two seconds in to reading the topic. Not that either of them will be a surprise.
It will be weird to leave off the likes of Eisner and Cooke though. But I get it.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Nov 27, 2020 18:12:06 GMT -5
Hmmm, yeah. I have a preliminary list of about twenty right now, and it may grow as I think about it over the next few days. There's about 5-6 names that I know will make the cut, but it'll be tough to pare down the rest.
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Post by MWGallaher on Nov 27, 2020 20:59:39 GMT -5
This was my fastest preliminary draft ever. I can't imagine I'll have many unique choices this year, but I do have one that I know a lot of members actively dislike, so it'll be fun to defend that. I fully expect that one of the writers I find absolutely unreadable will be on the high end of many others' lists, so I'll be considerate and refrain from criticism during the event itself!
Unfortunately my favorite non-American writer draws most of his own work...too bad I can't retroactively go back and alter my Favorite Cartoonists choices. I do at least have a couple of women on my list, and all of my choices are known almost exclusively as writers, although some have occasionally demonstrated some drawing skills.
Definitely an overdue topic--this should be fun, as always. See you all when Christmas approaches!
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Post by brutalis on Nov 27, 2020 21:56:28 GMT -5
Sure, I'm onboard. Like my brain isn't in pain enough training into a new job now you want me to make it hurt more. Thanks so much. 👍🙃🤯 warning, I am going deep just to mix it up and avoid repetition from all the expected choices...
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Post by Confessor on Nov 29, 2020 4:07:59 GMT -5
I know my #1, no problem. Picking and ordering the remaining 11 will take some time.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Nov 29, 2020 4:13:37 GMT -5
I know my #1, no problem. Picking and ordering the remaining 11 will take some time. In the past few times I've participated, I've found that after the top two or three, ordering the rest of the list is indeed the biggest problem. |
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Post by zilch on Nov 29, 2020 11:21:27 GMT -5
Unless somebody I'm forgetting comes to mind... This only happens to me for about 12 days.... |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 29, 2020 13:06:20 GMT -5
I have a current list of twenty. One and two are solid. Three through eight will take some sorting. The other twelve get to fight for the four remaining slots.
I could almost fill it with Mad writers.
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