#28: Avengers #213-230 part 2 (with Iccrombone) Oct 22, 2020 16:52:03 GMT -5
Post by Icctrombone on Oct 22, 2020 16:52:03 GMT -5
Two things I'd like to add to this conversation:
1. I LIKE Tigra. Much as Shooter is putting the humans in this run first and foremost, the original Avengers are far less fleshed out human beings than the team they have just replaced. Tigra was so very very human, and I found that endearing. I was truly sad when she left.
The original 4 other Avengers have the closest relationship to Hank, much more so than the members that left in # 211 , with the exception of Hawkeye. It felt like a story involving the founders would have much more impact seeing as they worked with him from the beginning .
2. And that brings me to my second point. You both pointed out the amount of fill-in creators and issues in this run, but I think the chaos goes further than that. It's strange just how haphazardly organized this run is. Why did Moondragon try to assemble a new Avengers team in #211? We never learn. Why were the phone lines to Avengers Mansion cut, and by who? Going further, introducing a new team in #211 and then doing another membership drive only ten issues later?? I certainly didn't get the impression until the arbitrary end of #220 that Tigra was going anywhere.
It's safe to assume that all the events surrounding the membership brawl were caused by Moondragon including any phone line problems. You can also speculate that her trying to control the outcome of the audition was because she might need them to quell any uprising with the planet that she took over in issue # 219/ 220. The membership drive 10 issues later was necessary because they lost Hank and Tigra and were left with 4 members. I don't think Moondragon anticipated them being left with only 4 Avengers.
And there are smaller inconsistencies too for someone as calculating and consistent as Shooter normally is. For example, when Hank steals the adamantium, the story plays up how precious and rare the material is. So how the hell did Hank drum up the parts for a giant adamantium robot on the fly? Even with Jan's limitless money, where was he going to get it?
How does anyone get anything like adamantium ? You can fill in the blanks with the Avengers and Hank having ties to the US government and Wakanda. I don't believe that the robot used in issue # 211 was pure adamantium.
Oh, and am I the only one who found Molecule Man's powers absurdly inconsistent? He can restore Thor's Hammer to perfect magical working order, but he can't do plumbing (which, by the way, was hilarious)?
Roquefort Raider did an excellent job explaining that question. Besides that, there comes a certain amount of suspension of disbelief with these comics. It's easier for me to accept a fantasy made up character like the Molecule man than a person with no powers fighting criminals and never getting shot.
I totally see what you are both saying about this run. It is mind-bogglingly mature, not just for the era, but for today as well. It's also messy as all hell.
I wish I knew why there were so many different artists on this run. I'd hate to think that no one wanted to work with Shooter. I mean, he didn't become Godzilla until a few years later. Or maybe he did?