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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 11, 2020 6:16:37 GMT -5
That Namor is a mutant (specifically because of his ankle wings) was established by Lee and Kirby way back in X-Men #7, so that's never bothered me. That he is somehow the first mutant is simply nonsensical. The Celestials implanted the potential for extreme benevolent mutation in the human race during the Paleolithic Era. Are we to believe *nothing* triggered that potential prior to 1920? And anyway, I thought Apocalypse was supposed to be the first mutant?
Cei-U! I summon the confusion!
What, they're dragging the Celestials into it now? Another idea I don't like, since it messes up the original scenario even more. Not "now," no. The Celestials' role in human mutation was first established in the original Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe series to explain why mutation works so very differently in the comics than it does IRL. Like it or not (and I grok why you don't), it's been part of Marvel lore for nearly forty years.
Cei-U! I summon the precedent!
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Post by berkley on Sept 11, 2020 6:27:48 GMT -5
What, they're dragging the Celestials into it now? Another idea I don't like, since it messes up the original scenario even more. Not "now," no. The Celestials' role in human mutation was first established in the original Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe series to explain why mutation works so very differently in the comics than it does IRL. Like it or not (and I grok why you don't), it's been part of Marvel lore for nearly forty years.
Cei-U! I summon the precedent!
What's forty years? The mere blink of an eye!
To an Eternal, that is - never mind the Celestials.
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Post by MDG on Sept 11, 2020 8:54:20 GMT -5
Was he really a mutant, though, or did Xavier and Magneto just mistake him for one? (I haven't read X-Men #7, alas). Namor's powers would have warranted a lot of interest from both, that's for sure. Namor is indeed a mutant. His hybrid human/Atlantean heritage gives him the ability to live in or out of water, but it's a mutation that allows him to fly. A hybrid is different than a mutant; mutations happen spontaneously or due to environmental factors, like radiation. So is he both?
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Post by Dizzy D on Sept 11, 2020 9:00:41 GMT -5
Namor is indeed a mutant. His hybrid human/Atlantean heritage gives him the ability to live in or out of water, but it's a mutation that allows him to fly. A hybrid is different than a mutant; mutations happen spontaneously or due to environmental factors, like radiation. So is he both? Yes, he has abilities neither of his parents have (only weird that his cousins (though I believe Jeff Parker was going very hard into Namora is not the cousin of Namor) have the exact same mutations then)
For that matter Gruenwald always went hard into "Technically, Siryn is not a mutant, because she was the same powers as her father."
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 11, 2020 9:02:16 GMT -5
Namor is indeed a mutant. His hybrid human/Atlantean heritage gives him the ability to live in or out of water, but it's a mutation that allows him to fly. A hybrid is different than a mutant; mutations happen spontaneously or due to environmental factors, like radiation. So is he both? Yes, he's both hybrid and mutant.
Cei-U! I summon the piscatorial pedigree!
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Post by Dizzy D on Sept 11, 2020 9:07:03 GMT -5
I'm not up on the current MU but I thought I heard a few years ago that there was a trend to start saying that a lot of characters that weren't previously mutants were now mutants. That sounds like a really bad idea to me. The exact opposite is true, there was a time where they said some characters were mutants (Cloak and Dagger in the 80s suddenly became "The mutant adventures of Cloak and Dagger"), but in recent years due to Fox/Disney tensions (pretty much solved after Disney bought Fox) previous mutants like Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Quake and Squirrel Girl were suddenly no longer mutants.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Sept 11, 2020 9:27:18 GMT -5
And this stuff is why I stopped reading X-Men mostly. Gives me a migraine trying to keep up.
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Post by beccabear67 on Sept 11, 2020 13:39:49 GMT -5
If all our mutants, all the Skrull mutants, the forced mutation populace of Genosha, and all the alternate and future worlds mutants got together it would be a whole lotta mutants! comicbook.com/marvel/news/marvel-x-men-every-mutant-ever-variants/Oops, Kurt must've forgotten his image inducer wasn't on! Don't you just hate that, and your so-called friends don't tell you it's off.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Sept 11, 2020 17:24:25 GMT -5
A hybrid is different than a mutant; mutations happen spontaneously or due to environmental factors, like radiation. So is he both? Yes, he has abilities neither of his parents have (only weird that his cousins (though I believe Jeff Parker was going very hard into Namora is not the cousin of Namor) have the exact same mutations then) For that matter Gruenwald always went hard into "Technically, Siryn is not a mutant, because she was the same powers as her father." Gruenwald was no geneticist, I see.
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Sept 19, 2020 13:46:20 GMT -5
Fewer mutants + a reverse-Crisis placing the mutant characters on their own separate Earth. I could get on board with that. Can we have a separate Earth for the Punisher, too? That's what the Punisher MAX is.
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Post by Ozymandias on Sept 19, 2020 14:21:32 GMT -5
Long time no see
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Sept 19, 2020 16:44:53 GMT -5
Long time no see It's been a minute hasn't it?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 16:47:55 GMT -5
I could get on board with that. Can we have a separate Earth for the Punisher, too? That's what the Punisher MAX is. Know of it, but have never read it, wasn’t aware of what its concept is.
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Post by crazyoldhermit on Sept 19, 2020 16:57:14 GMT -5
That's what the Punisher MAX is. Know of it, but have never read it, wasn’t aware of what its concept is. The basic premise is The Punisher in his own world, which is grounded and realistic (by 80s action movie standards). He was born in 1950, served in Vietnam from 1968 to 1971, his family was murdered in 1976, and at the time the series starts it's 2004, he's 54 years old and he has been killing criminals for almost thirty years. The only other Marvel character to appear in the Garth Ennis run is Nick Fury, who gets a similar reinterpretation as a CIA agent and military legend.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2020 16:58:28 GMT -5
Damn, so no Galactus appearances, then?
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