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Post by tartanphantom on Jun 15, 2020 16:33:04 GMT -5
So are 1872 and 1602 essentially Marvel versions of the "Elseworlds" concept? I've seen 1602 books in the dollar bins, but never seen 1872 at all.
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Post by brutalis on Jun 15, 2020 17:02:41 GMT -5
So are 1872 and 1602 essentially Marvel versions of the "Elseworlds" concept? I've seen 1602 books in the dollar bins, but never seen 1872 at all. Yes 1602 certainly is an Elseworlds style story. 1602 plays more like a What If story than Elsewords, being a little more generic and using old west archetypes familiar to those who read the old Kid Colt/Rawhide Kid/Two Gun Kid westerns. Town sheriff is Steve Rogers, town drunk is Tony Stark, etc....
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Post by rberman on Jun 15, 2020 18:39:25 GMT -5
So are 1872 and 1602 essentially Marvel versions of the "Elseworlds" concept? I've seen 1602 books in the dollar bins, but never seen 1872 at all. In spirit, yes. But the climax of 1602 pulls a "This is the real Marvel Universe, temporarily changed to 1602 mode, and now we're going to fix it!" rather than just making it "What If..." Sort of like how the X-Men and the Avengers got changed into Hyborian heroes for two issues.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 15, 2020 19:32:08 GMT -5
Another one I missed the boat on until recently was Marvel 1985, the concept of Marvel villains invading our world is fantastic even if the plot itself is a little flat but the art is amazing. I bought Marvel 1985 at the time and found it totally underwhelming. Nice idea for a story, but the execution was lousy. Yeah, the plot itself was really flat but I really loved the art. Edward's Hulk in particular was probably my favorite depiction of him I've ever seen.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 16, 2020 19:10:41 GMT -5
Astro City! I never followed Astro City!
I just read the #1/2 issue that's available for free on Comixology, and it was darn good. Now I regret not having been a reader.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 16, 2020 19:45:35 GMT -5
Astro City! I never followed Astro City! I just read the #1/2 issue that's available for free on Comixology, and it was darn good. Now I regret not having been a reader. One of the most insigthful and interesting comics to come along. Busiek puts a lot fo thought into it. I enjoyed the early issues; but, he hooked me when he did the Junkman story, where he commits the perfect crime and gets away with it, only to be unhappy no one knows he did it, repeats the crime and deliberately gets caught, so that everything will be detailed in court. It's the first logical reason for a gimmick thief to tangle with a superhero again, beyond revenge. Also loved the Furst Family issues and wish he'd have an extended run on the original FF.
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Post by berkley on Jun 16, 2020 20:12:45 GMT -5
Astro City! I never followed Astro City! I just read the #1/2 issue that's available for free on Comixology, and it was darn good. Now I regret not having been a reader. One of the most insigthful and interesting comics to come along. Busiek puts a lot fo thought into it. I enjoyed the early issues; but, he hooked me when he did the Junkman story, where he commits the perfect crime and gets away with it, only to be unhappy no one knows he did it, repeats the crime and deliberately gets caught, so that everything will be detailed in court. It's the first logical reason for a gimmick thief to tangle with a superhero again, beyond revenge. Also loved the Furst Family issues and wish he'd have an extended run on the original FF. Which collection are they in? The ones I've read have dealt mostly with the DC hero analogues, e.g. Batman, Superman, WW.
It might be interesting to see Busiek on the FF, though at this stage I'm not sure I'd want to read any new stories of my old Marvel favourites no matter who was writing it. It would probably take some combination of writer and artist I just couldn't resist, and even then I'd be a bit leery.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 16, 2020 20:54:25 GMT -5
Yeah, Astro City is amazingly good and amazingly consistant. There really aren't many issues that aren't fantastic. I was on board right from issue #1, back in 1995.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2020 7:00:50 GMT -5
Kurt Busiek would be great on FF. Another writer is Karl Kesel. Marvel used him on fill ins and he was brilliant. Seemed liked a no brainer to have him write the title full time.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jun 17, 2020 13:41:09 GMT -5
The Furst Family story (revolving around Astra, the little girl) is in the Family Album collection, along with the Jack in the Box story, where he encounters alleged "sons" from the future. The Junkman story is also in there.
My biggest recommendations to try are the Life in the Big City collection, with the earliest comics; Confessions, with the Confessor and Altar Boy, Family Album, with the above, then Tarnished Angel, with Steeljack and a murderer, who is targeting criminals. Then, you might be ready for the epic Dark Age, which covers a lot of ground.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 17, 2020 23:59:23 GMT -5
Kurt Busiek would be great on FF. Another writer is Karl Kesel. Marvel used him on fill ins and he was brilliant. Seemed liked a no brainer to have him write the title full time.
QFT
Painfully obvious Kesel would be THE best writer for the FF I can think of except maybe for Grant Morrison.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 19, 2020 18:27:05 GMT -5
So are 1872 and 1602 essentially Marvel versions of the "Elseworlds" concept? I've seen 1602 books in the dollar bins, but never seen 1872 at all. It's funny that 1602 is now just in minor footnote in the dollar bins.. it was a HUGE deal when it was coming out... Neil Gaiman in the Marvel Universe! I wonder if he considers it a failure?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2020 19:45:15 GMT -5
I was also a late-starter with Preacher. The creative team of Ennis/Dillon began to get my curiousity piqued sometime around 2010, as I was a really big fan of Punisher. Eventually, I got a nice run of high-grade issues from 1up when they were still relatively cheap...prices spiked big time after that.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jun 20, 2020 21:22:56 GMT -5
So are 1872 and 1602 essentially Marvel versions of the "Elseworlds" concept? I've seen 1602 books in the dollar bins, but never seen 1872 at all. It's funny that 1602 is now just in minor footnote in the dollar bins.. it was a HUGE deal when it was coming out... Neil Gaiman in the Marvel Universe! I wonder if he considers it a failure? I found the premise to be ho hum.
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Post by tonebone on Sept 10, 2020 11:21:20 GMT -5
So are 1872 and 1602 essentially Marvel versions of the "Elseworlds" concept? I've seen 1602 books in the dollar bins, but never seen 1872 at all. In spirit, yes. But the climax of 1602 pulls a "This is the real Marvel Universe, temporarily changed to 1602 mode, and now we're going to fix it!" rather than just making it "What If..." Sort of like how the X-Men and the Avengers got changed into Hyborian heroes for two issues. yeah... I had forgotten about that. I would prefer it stay a "what if", and not a " this is how this could actually work in continuity". I think, in all of Alan Moore's writing, the most incredible thing he wrote was "This is an imaginary story; aren't they all?"
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