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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 20, 2020 12:39:16 GMT -5
You do realise that no one outside the US (and maybe Canada) has a scooby what any of that means? You mean the Basketball references ?
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Post by MDG on Jan 20, 2020 12:58:09 GMT -5
You do realise that no one outside the US (and maybe Canada) has a scooby what any of that means? You mean the Basketball references ? I'm working on "scooby."
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Post by junkmonkey on Jan 20, 2020 15:13:36 GMT -5
Ah! Basketball. I once got very uncomfortable in a bar in LA when I remarked that the nearest equivalents of both Basketball and Baseball (Netball and Rounders) were girls games in the UK. One of those "Oh shit! Did I just say that out loud?" moments. But that was a long time ago and your football players (sorry 'soccer') players are mostly women from what I can gather - and scarily good.
Scooby. Glasgow/Scottish rhyming slang: Scooby - Scooby-doo - clue.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 20, 2020 22:18:45 GMT -5
Scooby. Glasgow/Scottish rhyming slang: Scooby - Scooby-doo - clue. A-hem! That's Cockney rhyming slang, I think you'll find. Rhyming slang as a thing in Britain originated in the East End of London at some point in the mid-to-late 19th century. So, any rhyming slang that follows the Cockney rules is, by its very nature, Cockney rhyming slang. It was spread around the UK in the 20th Century via theatre, films, radio, TV etc, to the point where even people in Scotland use it now. Of course, given that Scooby-Doo only aired in the U.S. in 1969, and probably didn't appear on UK TV until the mid-70s, it's obviously not proper old Cockney rhyming slang, like, "I'm going up the apples", "I'm completely brassic", "I've just had me Barnet done" or "He's doing my crust in!" But it's definitely Cockney rhyming slang in its structure.
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Post by beccabear67 on Jan 20, 2020 23:36:25 GMT -5
Er, can anyone explain 'numpty'? I get the gist that it means someone is a dolt, just no clue where that derives from. Somehow I imagine the egg-shaped stuffie from old Playschool tv programs.
If Kirby had been Scottish would he have been named Jock MacKirby? Och, I'd love to have read a Benjamin MacGrimm with a brogue, wearing stout woolens, and smoking a pipe instead of a cigar. "Ye'll nae be laughing shortly Doctor MacDoom, not once It'll have been clobbering time! So best be on yer bike!"
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Post by foxley on Jan 21, 2020 1:39:50 GMT -5
Er, can anyone explain 'numpty'? I get the gist that it means someone is a dolt, just no clue where that derives from. Somehow I imagine the egg-shaped stuffie from old Playschool tv programs. If Kirby had been Scottish would he have been named Jock MacKirby? Och, I'd love to have read a Benjamin MacGrimm with a brogue, wearing stout woolens, and smoking a pipe instead of a cigar. "Ye'll nae be laughing shortly Doctor MacDoom, not once It'll have been clobbering time! So best be on yer bike!" 'Numpty' is definitely Scottish in origin, and comparatively recent. It just so happens that the Oxford English Dictionary is currently researching the origin of the word. The earliest citation found so far is 1988. Speculation is that it is an alteration of 'numbskull', modeled on 'Humpty Dumpty', but there is no confirmation of that yet.
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Post by junkmonkey on Jan 21, 2020 1:41:50 GMT -5
Scooby. Glasgow/Scottish rhyming slang: Scooby - Scooby-doo - clue. A-hem! That's Cockney rhyming slang, I think you'll find. I'd never heard it in all the time I lived in England but I moved to Scotland, 30 years or so ago, everyone knew what it meant/and used it. Like most things in this benighted, London-centric island the bloody entitled southerners claim ownership for everything - even when they lost control over it generations ago. Numpty - from "numps", a very obsolete word (I'd never heard it before a wee bit of googling) - for a stupid person. Not, as you would imagine from numbskull, or (my favourite 'Numbnuts'). It implies general idiocy. Can be said quite affectionately as a term of endearment too - like most insults I suppose.
EDIT: Cross-posted with Foxley - who am I to argue with the OED?
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Post by foxley on Jan 21, 2020 2:45:40 GMT -5
A-hem! That's Cockney rhyming slang, I think you'll find. I'd never heard it in all the time I lived in England but I moved to Scotland, 30 years or so ago, everyone knew what it meant/and used it. Like most things in this benighted, London-centric island the bloody entitled southerners claim ownership for everything - even when they lost control over it generations ago. Numpty - from "numps", a very obsolete word (I'd never heard it before a wee bit of googling) - for a stupid person. Not, as you would imagine from numbskull, or (my favourite 'Numbnuts'). It implies general idiocy. Can be said quite affectionately as a term of endearment too - like most insults I suppose.
EDIT: Cross-posted with Foxley - who am I to argue with the OED?
You could still be right. The OED is still researching the word and is asking for anyone with knowledge of the words history (particularly anything earlier than the 80s) to come forward.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 21, 2020 10:20:35 GMT -5
A-hem! That's Cockney rhyming slang, I think you'll find. I'd never heard it in all the time I lived in England but I moved to Scotland, 30 years or so ago, everyone knew what it meant/and used it. Like most things in this benighted, London-centric island the bloody entitled southerners claim ownership for everything - even when they lost control over it generations ago. I heard people using "I haven't got a Scooby" in London and the Home Counties since the 80s, I think. Hard to remember exactly when I first encountered it, but I'm sure I heard it at school, which would make it 80s. Numpty - from "numps", a very obsolete word (I'd never heard it before a wee bit of googling) - for a stupid person. Not, as you would imagine from numbskull, or (my favourite 'Numbnuts'). It implies general idiocy. Can be said quite affectionately as a term of endearment too - like most insults I suppose. Yeah, numpty can be said in a very gentle way. One of my 8-year-old niece's teachers uses it when a child does something silly. So it's hardly an offensive piece of slang.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2020 10:24:33 GMT -5
What makes me laugh as a Brummie is how people say things like "an hug" and "an horse" rather than "a hug" and "a horse".
My uncle (by marriage) once mentioned "an hot drink" to me. I'm thinking, 'What is a not drink?'
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Post by beccabear67 on Jan 21, 2020 13:33:33 GMT -5
Oh, you mean an 'ot drink. I hear that accent on some telly programs, but my brother had a friend once who also spoke that way... we used to get him to say the work bottles as it would come out baw'els. In Rovers some would order an 'ot pot wi' their pint o'lager. I expected like the old council row houses that these accents would be bulldozed over by now and everyone would be speaking some kind of semi-posh tower block-ese from the BBC school. I've noticed even in Canada Newfoundlanders are losing their accents, that could be down to our CBC. Now I feel like I'm on the cutting edge of the evolution of the English language with numpty!
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Post by junkmonkey on Jan 21, 2020 14:37:09 GMT -5
Now I feel like I'm on the cutting edge of the evolution of the English language with numpty!
You should try living with teenagers. I have two. 87% of what they say to each other is incomprehensible to me. I comfort myself with the fact that in 20 years time they are going to realise that their current 'hip' and 'with it' slang is going to be as dated and cringeworthy as - well 'hip' and 'with it'. Mind you I've been using 'groovy' for so long I've seen it come back into fashion.
To get back on topic....
I also dislike the way Ditko draws chins. Kirby may have had a bit of a (comic code compliance?) problem with crotches and the lack of junk under everyone's Lycra boxers but there's no excuse for these kind of receding micro-jawlines
And you know what's REALLY missing from comic books these days?
Public service commercials like this:
(Meanwhile, Mom is making a guest appearance in (a seriously NSFW!) edition of Rebecca Hap's Housewifes at Play comic...)
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Post by foxley on Jan 21, 2020 16:57:59 GMT -5
Oh, you mean an 'ot drink. I hear that accent on some telly programs, but my brother had a friend once who also spoke that way... we used to get him to say the work bottles as it would come out baw'els. In Rovers some would order an 'ot pot wi' their pint o'lager. I expected like the old council row houses that these accents would be bulldozed over by now and everyone would be speaking some kind of semi-posh tower block-ese from the BBC school. I've noticed even in Canada Newfoundlanders are losing their accents, that could be down to our CBC. Now I feel like I'm on the cutting edge of the evolution of the English language with numpty! Acknowledging that I am a very long way from the original topic here, but my language geek buttons have been pushed.
The use of 'an' as the article for words beginning with 'h' used to be standard English. As the language has shifted, it is now restricted (assuming standard pronunciation) to those words were the 'h' is not voiced, such as 'hour', and few linguistic fossils, such as 'an hotel'. In older published works, you can often find a reference to 'an history'.
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Post by brutalis on Jan 21, 2020 17:21:15 GMT -5
To get back on topic....
I also dislike the way Ditko draws chins. Kirby may have had a bit of a (comic code compliance?) problem with crotches and the lack of junk under everyone's Lycra boxers but there's no excuse for these kind of receding micro-jawlines
Anything more specific about his chin work? A visual reference? I never really noticed anything peculiar other than he doesn't often use the square jaw/chin heroic "ideal" that Kirby favors.
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Post by junkmonkey on Jan 21, 2020 21:16:01 GMT -5
Anything more specific about his chin work? A visual reference? I never really noticed anything peculiar other than he doesn't often use the square jaw/chin heroic "ideal" that Kirby favors.
His faces quite often seem to me to have 'weak', thin chins and overlarge foreheads - a bit like the man himself now I come to think of it.
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