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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 21, 2019 13:43:24 GMT -5
I remember having high hopes for that Brave & Bold (especially with John Rosenberger, from The Fly & Fly Girl, art) but have spent decades blocking the story out of my memory since. I do remember the Adam Austin pen name for Colan, I forget if I ever knew why he used that at first. Because he was moonlighting at Marvel and didn't want to lose his primary gig if his editor found out, so he used a pen name. I believe he switched once he was getting enough work at Marvel to give up that other gig, but my memory could be faulty. -M No, you are correct. The folks at DC frowned on "their" artists working for the competition. Thus Colan became Austin, Werner Roth became Jay Gavin, Frank Giacoia became Frankie Ray, Jack Abel became Gary Michaels, and even Gil Kane was briefly Scott Edwards.
Cei-U! I summon the pseudonyms!
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Post by Farrar on Dec 21, 2019 13:59:17 GMT -5
...I do remember the Adam Austin pen name for Colan, I forget if I ever knew why he used that at first. Because he was moonlighting at Marvel and didn't want to lose his primary gig if his editor found out, so he used a pen name. I believe he switched once he was getting enough work at Marvel to give up that other gig, but my memory could be faulty. -M Well, yeah--that was the reason pseudonyms were used by those freelancing for both companies at that time. When he started getting work for Marvel in the '60s Colan was still doing (mostly) romance comic work for DC and obviously didn't want that to dry up. (I have several old DCs containing his romance work, and it's so beautifully outré.) So Colan used the Adam Austin moniker from the start of his Subby stint that began in Tales to Astonish #70. Then many months later there was a breathless Bullpen Bulletin announcement outing Colan, and with #80 onward the credits read Colan; and the same for his Iron Man work over in Tales of Suspense: starting with ToS #78 he was credited as Gene Colan and not AA (as had been the case for his previous work in ToS). |
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Post by Prince Hal on Dec 21, 2019 15:40:48 GMT -5
Because he was moonlighting at Marvel and didn't want to lose his primary gig if his editor found out, so he used a pen name. I believe he switched once he was getting enough work at Marvel to give up that other gig, but my memory could be faulty. -M No, you are correct. The folks at DC frowned on "their" artists working for the competition. Thus Colan became Austin, Werner Roth became Jay Gavin, Frank Giacoia became Frankie Ray, Jack Abel became Gary Michaels, and even Gil Kane was briefly Scott Edwards.
Cei-U! I summon the pseudonyms!
They all sound like the names of AM deejays from that time. In any order, too: "Austin Adams for all you Misters and Madams!" "Gavin Jay, and I'm ready to play!" "Take no chances; listen to Ra-a-ay Francis." "Michael Gray here for the day." "Ed Scott, spinnin' wax that's hot." |
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Post by foxley on Dec 21, 2019 18:15:24 GMT -5
6. Sub-Mariner, Hank Pym and the WaspTales to Astonish #77-78 (Marvel, 1966)
Note: Hank and Wasp story continues in Avengers #26 and #28 (Marvel, 1966)I always got a kick out of their appearance here because they show up about halfway into the story and they're not in costume and are just referred to by their civilian names, Dr. Henry Pym, Janet Van Dyne. There's no caption or dialogue or blurb referring to them as Giant-Man and the Wasp; they're just two characters who are supervising "the operation of the gigantic drill" that is disrupting the ocean floor and Namor's Atlantis (score one for ecological awareness). I know I've made comments like this in the past but, Hank's an entomologist. Why is he supervising ocean drilling operations?  |
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Post by rberman on Dec 21, 2019 18:26:24 GMT -5
6. Sub-Mariner, Hank Pym and the WaspTales to Astonish #77-78 (Marvel, 1966)
Note: Hank and Wasp story continues in Avengers #26 and #28 (Marvel, 1966)I always got a kick out of their appearance here because they show up about halfway into the story and they're not in costume and are just referred to by their civilian names, Dr. Henry Pym, Janet Van Dyne. There's no caption or dialogue or blurb referring to them as Giant-Man and the Wasp; they're just two characters who are supervising "the operation of the gigantic drill" that is disrupting the ocean floor and Namor's Atlantis (score one for ecological awareness). I know I've made comments like this in the past but, Hank's an entomologist. Why is he supervising ocean drilling operations? Pfft everybody knows that "scientist" is an undifferentiated profession. All musicians play all instruments. All literature professors read all languages. All athletes excel at all sports. All scientists possess knowledge of all sciences. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 19:15:00 GMT -5
Didn't one character once mention having a "degree in science"? It does make me smile, an entomologist supervising an ocean-drilling operation.  |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Dec 21, 2019 20:38:45 GMT -5
Didn't one character once mention having a "degree in science"? It does make me smile, an entomologist supervising an ocean-drilling operation. He wasn’t originally an entomologist. He didn’t start studying ants until after his first adventure in the ant-hill and his discovery of Pym particles. |
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 22, 2019 7:58:21 GMT -5
Didn't one character once mention having a "degree in science"? It does make me smile, an entomologist supervising an ocean-drilling operation. :) He wasn’t originally an entomologist. He didn’t start studying ants until after his first adventure in the ant-hill and his discovery of Pym particles. But we later learned his interest in ants originated with a bible quote from his dead wife. |
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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Dec 23, 2019 4:47:27 GMT -5
6 . Marvel Two In One 54. Thing and DeathlokMarvel Comics 1979  Ben Grimm is one of my all-time favorite characters, up there with Cap for me, and I had followed this book for a year or two at this stage and 15 year old me was in heaven. Thing? Check. Deathlok? Check. George Perez? Double damn hell yes CHECK (yes 15 year old me knew his comic drawers). Id say that Project Pegasus hasnt aged too well( will have to dig out my beat up ole trade), but Benji 'n Georgie 'n Deathy makes gold for me. |
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Post by foxley on Dec 23, 2019 7:16:34 GMT -5
Didn't one character once mention having a "degree in science"? It does make me smile, an entomologist supervising an ocean-drilling operation. He wasn’t originally an entomologist. He didn’t start studying ants until after his first adventure in the ant-hill and his discovery of Pym particles. A physicist (if that's what he was) isn't a better pick for supervising a drilling operation either. Does the Marvel Universe not have geologists?
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Dec 23, 2019 8:40:27 GMT -5
He wasn’t originally an entomologist. He didn’t start studying ants until after his first adventure in the ant-hill and his discovery of Pym particles. A physicist (if that's what he was) isn't a better pick for supervising a drilling operation either. Does the Marvel Universe not have geologists?
(The DC Universe does. His name is Cave Carson. ) "Geologists? They study, like, rocks... what would they know about science?"  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 8:52:31 GMT -5
I can't remember what cartoon it was, but I am sure I saw something similar with a cop. He was riding motorcycles, driving patrol cars, on the beat, flying the police helicopter, etc. Those things tend to be specialities, at least here in the UK.
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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 23, 2019 10:21:03 GMT -5
He wasn’t originally an entomologist. He didn’t start studying ants until after his first adventure in the ant-hill and his discovery of Pym particles. A physicist (if that's what he was) isn't a better pick for supervising a drilling operation either. Does the Marvel Universe not have geologists?
(The DC Universe does. His name is Cave Carson. ) Pym was a biochemist by trade, though that didn't stop his various writers from portraying him as the same polymath all Marvel's other scientists tend to be.
Cei-U! I summon the scientific illlteracy!
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Post by rberman on Dec 23, 2019 10:32:23 GMT -5
I can't remember what cartoon it was, but I am sure I saw something similar with a cop. He was riding motorcycles, driving patrol cars, on the beat, flying the police helicopter, etc. Those things tend to be specialities, at least here in the UK. I'd hazard that in America, the breakdown is something like: Almost all adults walk, obviously. 95% of adults drive cars. 5% of adults drive motorcycles (maybe 10% of male adults) 0.01% of adults fly helicopters? |
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Post by coke & comics on Dec 23, 2019 12:17:40 GMT -5
A physicist (if that's what he was) isn't a better pick for supervising a drilling operation either. Does the Marvel Universe not have geologists?
(The DC Universe does. His name is Cave Carson. ) Pym was a biochemist by trade, though that didn't stop his various writers from portraying him as the same polymath all Marvel's other scientists tend to be.
Cei-U! I summon the scientific illlteracy!
In Tales to Astonish #44, Dr. Van Dyne asks Dr. Pym for help strengthening a gamma-ray beam to detect signals from other planets. Dr. Pym turns him down because his specialty is "molecular cell transition and cell specialization" (in layman's speak, that's "making people shrink or grow wings"). So there was a time he didn't claim to know all science. About 2 months later in Journey Into Mystery #95, surgeon Dr. Blake builds an android. And Marvel science went downhill from there. |
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