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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 9:17:07 GMT -5
If it had been a 10-minute match marred by run-ins, I might have felt better. But I don't believe a promotion should go 30 minutes and then end with a DQ. 30 minutes is too long!
It happened again at the Great American Bash 2005, where World Heavyweight Champion Batista defended against JBL. After nearly 20 minutes of action, we got a DQ win for JBL due to an incensed Batista hitting Layfield with a chair.
I think DQs can be fine. If it's a match on 'free' TV, where, say, a world champion is affected by outside interference, FINE! But on PPV, I prefer decisive finishes in main events, ESPECIALLY ones that go over 15 minutes.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 19, 2019 0:00:01 GMT -5
That was a topic at the Wrestling Classics board; no one knew. Sounded like it had been dormant for several years and probably just shut down. I know you can still pull up the belt galleries and some features; but, that's about it. Yea i commented over there at wrestling classics and said it's still down . It's sad there is some great info over there i wonder why it's still shut down ? It's apparently back up. Maybe they went on a tour of Japan and were written off the show for a while.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 3:04:04 GMT -5
I think DQs can be fine. If it's a match on 'free' TV, where, say, a world champion is affected by outside interference, FINE! But on PPV, I prefer decisive finishes in main events, ESPECIALLY ones that go over 15 minutes. Agree. I hate DQs in any PPV ...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 4:31:20 GMT -5
Wrestling Photographs that I own - Part 1 of 2Sting in TNA, got this at an event in the early 2000's This photograph was taken in 2013; a dear friend of mine gave me an extra copy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 4:41:10 GMT -5
Wrestling Photographs that I own - Part 2 of 2Ric Flair got this at a WCW event in the late 90's. Bruno Sammartino with Andre the Giant ... My prized autograph, he signed it for me at a WWF/WWE event in New York City of where my friends from work attended an event that honored him and he signed this photograph for me. I met him and talked to him for 10 minutes and enjoyed this short session with him. In the late 90's coming from an WCW event that I got the Ric Flair photograph and I tried to get Ric to sign it ... but the crowd was too big and had to go to the airport for a red eye flight to New York City to see Bruno.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2019 7:53:34 GMT -5
I think DQs can be fine. If it's a match on 'free' TV, where, say, a world champion is affected by outside interference, FINE! But on PPV, I prefer decisive finishes in main events, ESPECIALLY ones that go over 15 minutes. Agree. I hate DQs in any PPV ... As I said a few posts back, when I was about 14, a friend and I came up with a list of "Best PPV" and "Worst PPV". Our "Best PPV" list had Bruiser Brody vs. Big Van Vader in the semi-main event while the main event was Hulk Hogan & Bret Hart vs. Ric Flair & Shawn Michaels (Ted DiBiase vs. Mr. Perfect was also on the card). The "Worst PPV" included The Colossal Kongs battling each other in a 60-minute iron man match. And we had every match on the card end in a double-DQ. Wouldn't that be disastrous?
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 20, 2019 2:25:42 GMT -5
NWA Powerrr, Week 7
Nick Aldis out to do a promo, then an "exhibition" match against Trevor Murdoch. Both have a history at Harley Race's wrestling school. Murdoch gets to show his stuff for most of the match, then (ironically) botches a botch spot, to fall into the Kingslyn Cloverleaf. Murdoch is announced as from Waxahachie, TX, which was Dick Murdoch's old stomping grounds. (Trevor is actually from Missouri). He looks like a more serious Dick Murdoch, with a bit of Stan Hanson in him. Good match.
Rock N Roll Express, in their ring gear, out to launch a challenge at Wild Card, to put the belts on the line. Wild Card comes out later to blow them off and then Tom Latimer is asked about Kamille and says they are just good friends.
Highspots ad. They are a "legit" outlet for wrestling dvds, merchandise and ring gear. However, they aren't entirely above board, as Jim Cornette will testify. Caveat Emptor
Colt Cabana joins the announce team for a match between Ricky Starks and The Question Mark. QM is the most over guy with the studio crowd. Match gets interrupted by Aron Stevens, who Pearl Harbors Starks, with QM helping. Colt breaks it up. Stevens gets booed and QM gets cheered. This leads to a later tag match between Cabana & Starks and QM & Stevens.
Eli Drake out to run off at the mouth. I'm cooling way off the guy. He tries to talk like the Rock; but, lacks the charisma and originality. He also isn't that big, size-wise. He's had a solo match and a tag and was average, at best. He needs to step it up and show something original if he is to be a star for the NWA. Rags on Mr Anderson, who comes out and then gets blindsided by Eli, after challenging him to a match. He then hits Anderson with a spare turnbuckle (which just happened to be stored in the interview podium). Cornette checks on Anderson and gets the refs out. Drake is restrained by Anthony Mayweather, aka Crimson (aka Tommy Mercer), who is one of the producers (along with Jocephus).
Replay of Thunder Rosa's attack on Alisyn Kay and Marti Bell's turn, followed by their promo, where Thunder talked about a phoenix coming. We get a tag match between Thunder & Marti and Alisyn & Ashley Vox. Back and forth match and Alisyn hits a superplex on Thunder, but Melina Perez, aka the WWE's Melina, comes out to distract. Marti tosses out Ashley and Thunder hits Alysin with stomps off the top and lays her out. melina comes into the ring and seems to be allied with Marti & Thunder Rosa. Melina was considered to be the best of the women, while she was in the WWE; we will see what she does here.
Repeat of the Austin Idol Kayfabe Cocktail commercial
Tag match between Colt & Ricky Starks and Question Mark & Aron Stevens. Crowd booed Stevens every time he did anything and cheered QM for everything he did. Weird dynamic but they were having fun with it. Again, QM is the most over guy with the studio crowd. The character is a nice throwback to masked wrestlers, like Masked Superstar (Bill "Demolition Axe" Eadie) and Super Destroyer (Scott "Hog" Irwin), as well as the Assassins and other masked heels. He mostly does pseudo karate chops and thrusts, with index finger and pinky always pointed forward. Way more over than he was as Jocephus, unmasked (yes, QM is Jocephus). Starks gets laid out by QM and Stevens makes the pin.
James Storm comes out to whine about not getting title shots on the show and Kamille comes out and whisper in his ear, then walks off. He then does some catch phrase and walks off. End of show.
Some good moments here. Opening match was great. Stuff with Stevens and Question Mark worked because of the studio crowd. Dave Lagana, in talking with the This Is the NWA Podcast mentioned the crowd reacting to something and they went with it, without specifying and I believe it was QM. Interesting to see where they go with this and if Jocephus will keep up the personna. I miss the days of badass masked men.
Eli Drake really needs to show something to be a star. He's being positioned as one but hasn't earned it. He does the Rock's routine, minus his catchphrases; but, it seems obvious to the crowd that his bag of tricks is borrowed from better performers. They made a big deal about him in the Ten Pounds of Gold and had him talking to press, before the tapings, so they are figuring big on him. I think they may have made a mistake, unless he shows us something soon. Ricky Starks was a gamble that is paying off. Colt Cabana and Mr Anderson are what they have always been; mid-card guys who are fine in their role; but, they aren't going to carry the promotion (nothing wrong with that). Aldis continues to carry himself like a champion and Thunder Rosa is a ball of fire. They need more women involved to keep that division from being the same matches.
Decent show; but not as strong as the previous one of some of the others. They've got about two shows left out of the tapings, then the PPV. Should be building for the PPV.
ps Cornette had great facials during the Drake and Ken Anderson back and forth. Don't see interviewers reacting to things much these days. They also made a crack about him being mistaken for a valet, after Thunder Rosa handed him her ring jacket and he joked about parking cars (he was wearing a maroon jacket, which was subdued, for him).
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 20, 2019 2:35:05 GMT -5
ps Drake was trained by Cody Hawk, of Heartland Wrestling, in Cincinnati. He also worked Championship Wrestling from Hollywood, before getting a contract with the WWE developmental. he was pretty much used as a jobber, in NXT and blames it on not getting along with Bill DeMott. He ended up in TNA, where they put their title on him (seems like everyone there got a run with it). He was with Impact until this year, after being fired by e-mail, after bad mouthing the company. Guy seems to have problems with backstage politics. Have to wonder if the problem isn't him, given he had problems with both WWE and TNA/Impact. However, Corgan and Lagan seem high on him.
I haven't seen his previous work; but, I would think if I had this chance to be pushed as a star, I'd be working my butt off to make it work. Not seeing that, so far. Other guys, like James Storm and Ricky Starks are bringing it.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 20, 2019 11:29:44 GMT -5
Jim Cornette is out of further NWA broadcast (beyond what is still in the can). The NWA released a statement, saying Cornette had resigned, after making what they considered an offensive joke during the Aldis vs Murdoch match. I cry shenanigans. They were at the taping and heard everything. This didn't just happen this week. This was taped back in October. If they had a problem with it, they would have just edited it out (which they have done since). I suspect this has more to do with comments made on Cornette's podcast, which have AEW fans wetting themselves and are pushing to have him silenced. The Drive-Thru episode already covered a 13 or 14 page letter, from someone claiming to be veteran law enforcement (yet didn't seem to know the difference between a civil and a criminal case) attacking him for supposedly calling an AEW interviewer a pedophile. He said no such thing; he cracked a joke which was grossly misstated by his detractors, who have been pushing to silence him for frequently criticizing Kenny Omega and the Young Bucks, plus other performers in AEW. By the same token, he has praised the guys who are doing things right; but, there is a vocal group trying to silence him. I'm all for an inclusive world; but, there is a big difference between hate speech and discrimination and a joke, taken out of context. Also, Cornette has a right to voice his opinions, regardless of whether they offend. If they offend you, don't listen or rebut; but, the First Amendment protects his and other people's right to say stupid and offensive things. As Voltaire is quoted as saying, "I may not agree with what you say; but, I will defend to the death your right to say it." I think this has more to do with heat on Corgan and Lagana, not because of what was said in the broadcast; but what Cornette has said in his own forum and them being chicken-@#$% about it and overly-sensitive to a comment that they had been fine with when it was taped. Either you support your people or not. By the same token, it says Cornette has resigned, which suggests to me that he has had enough of them trying to make him sound all Corporate and PC. If you thought you were going to mold Jim Cornette into some ideal, non-offensive voice and still be Jim Cornette, you've been smoking bad stuff. UPDATE: So, finally found some context to what was said. In commentary, Cornette made a joke about Murdoch's toughness, to the effect he could have food strapped to his back and cross Ethiopia, on a motorscooter and still have the food. I think the intent was to suggest he could fight off a crowd of people, even if they were starving and he had food. Problem is he said a bucket of chicken and Ethiopia is an African country. So, you can see how it could be construed as a racial remark. However, if Cornette had sai the same thing but left of the specific of Ethiopia, would people still found it offensive? Possibly as people read all kinds of things into any communication. I don't believe Cornette had a racial intent; but, you can see how offense could be taken. Cornette should have probably prepped material for a wider audience; but, his brief was to do an old-school wrestling show and that's what he did, including ad-libbing on the fly. Cornette has been in wrestling his entire life, and in an era where his job was to push people's buttons to seel tickets, so offended people could see him get his butt kicked all over the ring. He pretty much lets you know up front that's who he is. However, I still think there is a certain element looking for offense because it is Cornette and he has been critical of AEW and because of his political views and statements, in his podcast, regardless of what he has said on Powerrr. Cornette has taken responsibility for what he said and resigned, to prevent the NWA from further grief because of him. However, this didn't just happen. This was recorded weeks ago. The live audience heard it, Billy Corgan heard it, Dave Lagana heard it, Nick Aldis did, as did the producers, Jocephus and Crimson. Lagana supervises the edit. Everyone was fine with this right up through broadcast and only edited it after someone raised objections. No one there is taking responsibility for not finding fault with it and having Cornette reloop the commentary or just edit it out, before broadcast. To me, the people who are really at fault with the situation are the NWA execs, not Cornette. Cornette was doing what he was hired to do, which is be Jim Cornette, while commenting on the matches. Corgan and Lagana have worked with Corny and know who and what he is. This is just CYA 101. You don't want to have content that offends a wider audience, fine; however, own up to the fact that you weren't sensitive to the subject and were find in sending the content out until your eyes were opened to what you were missing. Own up to your own mistakes and make a pledge to do better and offer a way forward and win people back. This is still your problem, not Cornette's, since he has removed himself from the company. Show some leadership.
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Post by wickedmountain on Nov 20, 2019 15:31:59 GMT -5
Yea i commented over there at wrestling classics and said it's still down . It's sad there is some great info over there i wonder why it's still shut down ? It's apparently back up. Maybe they went on a tour of Japan and were written off the show for a while. Omg thank you for telling me it's back up !!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 17:10:48 GMT -5
I've mixed emotions about the latest on Jim Cornette and yet he had to resign for good reasons beyond the shadow of a doubt. I just don't know if I want to watch NWA Powerrr anymore or not.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 20, 2019 18:27:38 GMT -5
I've mixed emotions about the latest on Jim Cornette and yet he had to resign for good reasons beyond the shadow of a doubt. I just don't know if I want to watch NWA Powerrr anymore or not. They have one or two shows left out of the tapings, which would have Cornette. Everything from the PPV forward will be without Cornette. However, that does change the dynamic of the announcing. Joe Gali has been good with the play-by-play, but replacing Cornette's knowledge, insight and sheer entertainment value is a major chore. I still think the shows are good and like their presentation of wrestling; but, am rather disappointed in Corgan, in regards to letting "talented people be talented" and then throwing them to the wolves when they get a negative reaction. I still think there is more to this story than what was in the show and am anxious to hear Cornette's side, when he addresses it. Meanwhile, given some of what AEW has presented, I don't give it too long before they are dealing with their own controversy, in regards to content. Funny how the only publicly traded company, the WWE, seems to be the only one that lets people make a hew and cry and then moves on as everyone's attention turns to the next topic of extreme reaction. You'd think they would be more cautious, with shareholders; but, the McMahon's hold controlling interest, by a huge margin, making proxy fights for control unlikely. AEW probably won't have big, big issues until Papa Khan gets tired of bankrolling Tony's fantasy league and overpaying some of these guys. There is a serious core there, with Cody and some of the others; but, Cornette's favorite targets are not doing them many favors in search of a mainstream audience. TNT will cool on them if they can't increase their audience and will not likely be forgiving if they start having major controversies with their own content. At least they haven't let Vince Russo near them, which puts them way ahead of TNA. They have transgendered wrestlers and a fairly big ethnic mix, which at least gives them an appearance of greater diversity. Storytelling is another matter, as is focus and long term planning. Ring of Honor is the one that would be on real shaky ground, if Sinclair starts questioning their value. They pretty much funded an audition for some workers to get a bigger payday and lost a lot of talent. They also helped boost the NWA profile, allowing them to go it alone. I suspect thet will need the NWA before the NWA needs them. Meanwhile, New Japan is looking to further expand in the US market. Their relationship with OH, Kenny Omega & Cody were major elements in that, to the point it appears that they may have used government contacts to make it difficult for Omega to work a show for his old bosses at DDT. I think they are more likely to be a threat to the WWE than AEW, long term, as they have the capital and the experience.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2019 20:06:19 GMT -5
Reading all of this, I can't help but think the WWF will always be the "King of the Jungle" (in the US) no matter what. I can't help but be cynical these days, although I wish the likes of AEW and NWA Powerrr! the best of luck.
What's happening with Impact Wrestling nowadays? I can't even get up any enthusiasm to so much as watch any highlights from that. I am surprised they are still going, to be honest. They are the "zombies" of the wrestling industry. That isn't a reflection on the talented people working for them, but the organisation itself.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 20, 2019 20:06:42 GMT -5
Well, Cornette has gotten the NWA more mainstream media attention than Billy Corgan. Not quite the attention they wanted; but attention none the less. Variety.com and Newsweek.com com, among others have picked up the story, though with the expected lack of investigating background detail and context.
Meanwhile, Brian Zane, of Wrestling With Wregret, has a new piece on Youtube about being blocked by Cornette on Twitter, after rebutting someone's tweet and Zane cuts a rant on Cornette and people who agree with him about his criticisms of over emphasis on bad comedy. Zane makes some very valid points about variety and Cornette being too stuck in the past, but too easily dismisses or simplifies some of Cornette's criticisms. The sad thing is, Corny and Zane were friendly and Corny liked Zane's imitation of him for a couple of pieces and appeared with him in an interview.
(Warning, some NSFW language)
There was a Christmas sequel and an interview, plus a cameo in a spoof on Russo. Now, there is heat and a rant. I suspect Corny misinterpreted with the poodoo storm that's erupted; but, Zane also seems to be kneejerking, a bit.
Really, though, check out Zane's channel as there is a lot of fun stuff there, and hope he and Corny can reconcile, like a tearful Christmas reunion or something. Christmas at Castle Cornette; something like that.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 20, 2019 20:16:34 GMT -5
Reading all of this, I can't help but think the WWF will always be the "King of the Jungle" (in the US) no matter what. I can't help but be cynical these days, although I wish the likes of AEW and NWA Powerrr! the best of luck. What's happening with Impact Wrestling nowadays? I can't even get up any enthusiasm to so much as watch any highlights from that. I am surprised they are still going, to be honest. They are the "zombies" of the wrestling industry. That isn't a reflection on the talented people working for them, but the organisation itself. Not much, really. They have a parent company with money, so it is similar to Sinclair Broadcasting and ROH, in that they will continue as long as the parent company has a need for them. If Anthem decided to sell off, though, I can't see any takers. Don Callis (Jackyl) is booking; but, I haven't exactly heard raves; haven't watched it, though. Callis has brains; but who knows about corporate dealings and I have no idea about whatever talent is there. WWE will continue to be number one because they became synonymous with wrestling, to the national audience. It's like Kleenex and facial tissues, Coke and soft drinks, or Amazon and online retailers. They hit the stage first and with the most impact, so they have the cache. Plus, they "own" Madison Square Garden. However, Ring of Honor was able to get into MSG, on the strength of Cody, etc and Sinclair's broadcasting might, which Pro Wrestling USA and WCW never managed. However, after they funded All In and saw all of the rewards go to Tony Kahn, the actual show did not go over well, as the talent that sold the tickets went off to form AEW. It's like Marvel getting to take over DC's top titles, with Jim Lee and Todd McFarlane, in 1993 and they instead went off to form Image and we got Bob Hall, instead. New Japan was banking on those same guys for their incursion to US wrestling and has had to alter course. They created a US title and Cody won the thing, after capturing the NWA title at All In; but, we know how that went.
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