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Post by driver1980 on Oct 29, 2024 8:30:06 GMT -5
If anybody wishes to buy these for me, may I have the ones in black please?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2024 12:14:28 GMT -5
Hearing mixed reports about Jon Moxley / Dean Ambrose returning to WWE.
If he does, Reigns can reform The Shield
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Post by commond on Nov 1, 2024 16:12:29 GMT -5
I was today years old when I watched George Hackenschmidt wrestle for the first time.
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Post by dbutler69 on Nov 1, 2024 18:28:47 GMT -5
If anybody wishes to buy these for me, may I have the ones in black please? Both cool but I'm partial to the red & black ones.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2024 0:17:03 GMT -5
At Crown Jewel, I can't make sense of the Bloodline match...why is Roman jobbing to Solo? Then Sami makes the 'save' only to kick Roman in the head. The only good part of this match was Roman's entrance theme. It scores a dismal 3 out of 10.
Best match was Seth vs Bronson, even if the result was predictable. So was the rest, (except KO vs Randy, which was a brawl rather than a match, so no winner). Not to mention I'm not enjoying the Dark KO at all.
Overall....6.5/10. I think RAW will be aired from Saudi Arabia as well.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 7, 2024 20:10:16 GMT -5
Stumbled across this clip of Randy Savage, circa 1979 (ish) from Detroit's Big Time Wrestling.....
Steve Cooper was Randy Savage's manager in the early days of ICW, and wrestled in the undercard; but, had a heart problem and ended up as a referee. He also wrestled at least one match, under a mask, as the Tennessee Stud, a rib on Rob Fuller, on a tv match. The match was featured on an episode that somebody posted on Youtube, with the camera and director communication feed on the tape, so you can hear their instructions and commentary on the show. They liven up during that match and pop when Lanny pulls of a beautiful flying head-scissor and the director says to mark that shot for a slow-mo replay, at the end of the match.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 7, 2024 21:01:34 GMT -5
This is a compilation of some ICW and Memphis stuff (there were bootlegs out there, mixing the pair, based on 1984 ICW tv shows, when the Poffos started working with Memphis, with Memphis matches and ICW matches).
First match is Randy Savage vs Bill Martin. Martin was an underneath guy, who worked there early on. Ms Macho Man is Brenda Britten, Rip Rogers' then-wife and valet manager (in other areas). She was an ex-stripper (actualy, she may have still been stripping, as the strippers would be booked in clubs in various areas, and Rip has commented on that). Rip has said she caused a bit of a problem between he and Randy, as Randy was infatuated with her. Rip described him as a bit child-like with women, at that point. He also dated Debbie Combs, the lady wrestler (daughter of Cora Combs and NWA Women's champion, before Crockett created a new version, with Misty Blue as the champion. Debbie was then called the NWA US Champion), before dating and marrying Liz Huelette, aka Miss Elizabeth.
Second match is Pistol Pez Whatley vs Chief Jerry Eagle. Pez was an amateur standout, at the Univ of Tennessee-Chatanooga, before becoming a pro. Apart from being featured mid-card for Crockett and upper-card in Dave Woods Continental Wrestling Federation (as Willy B Hurt), Pez really didn't get his due in a lot of places, in terms of his mat work. He did great obnoxious heel promos, too. He finished up as a trainer for the WCW Power Plant, as could be seen on Louie Theroux's show, back in the late 90s. Jerry Eagle was from the Carolina-West Virginia are and was instrumental in bringing in George Grey, who became Crusher Broomfield, before being renamed The One Man Gang, in Texas and for Mid-South. He also brought in Ricky Starr, of the Convertible Blonds.
Third match is Ronnie Garvin (Southeastern Champion, a belt that was stolen from Ron Fuller's Southeastern Championship Wrestling, when the All-Star guys split off. Fuller tried to sue, but dropped it, rather than admit that Garvin didn't actually win the title in a match. Rick Link, aka Man Mountain Link, was another of the guys from the West Virginia end, I believe. ICW regularly hit Beckley, WV, where one of their fans was Stephen P New, the lawyer from Cornette's podcasts. They drew pretty good crowds there.
4th is The Convertible Blonds vs Chief Tapu & Rick Zarta. The Blonds had been in a feud with Leaping Lanny and George Weingeroff and Lanny supposedly broke Gary Royal's nose, with a punch, leading to him wearing the hockey mask. This match has Hustler Rip Rogers and Ricky Starr, for the Blonds. By this stage, Rip had done their first set of tapings, then went to Portland and worked with Playboy Buddy Rose, who gave him the nickname, after seeing a Hustler magazine, at the flea market that they had in the building, where they taped the tv matches. Ricky Starr, as I said, was rought in by Chief Jerry Eagle, along with Crusher Broomfield. Starr later turned babyface and feuded against the Blonds, after Pez Whatley was part of the group. He was run off (storywise) and left the promotion. Gary Royal soon left, to work for Crockett, leaping Pez and Rip as the Convertible Blonds, with Pez in a blond wig and then a bleach job. Chief Tapu was the son of The Great Tio and was named Tio Jr, with the Tapu name coming from his uncle, who had wrestled as Tapu, with The Great Tio, in their younger days. They were part of the Samoan wrestling community, though not tied to the Anoa'i Family of Afa & Sika. Rick Zarta was a Latino (billed from Madrid, Spain) who had a decent physique and worked undercard, but I haven't come across his name anywhere else. Tapu later teamed with his father, after a heel turn, where he threw a tournament match, for the US Tag Team titles, while teaming with Ronnie Garvin. Garvin revealed the family relationship, after the match, leading to the heel Tapu working with Tio.
Number 5 is from the combined ICW/All-Star tapings, after they joined forces. Ronnie Garvin and Big Boy Williams vs Prof Boris Malenko (father of Dean and Joe) and Tony Peters (half of the Southeastern Tag Team Champions, with Cowboy Bob Orton Jr, who is on commentary). Commentator is John Beck, who did the announcing at the early tapings. Later, they are using a studio in Lexington and Tim Tyler, the station's sports anchor, calls the matches, with Edgar Wallace (not the English pulp writer), on color commentary. Wallace had been a city councilman and local lawyer and I suspect he was involved due to political connections that aided the Poffos, in the area. I e-mailed that question to Rip Rogers and he wasn't sure, but thought my theory was pretty likely. Big Boy Williams worked early days IVW, as a babyface, and had worked some outlaws. This gives you a chance to see Prof Boris Malenko, who was a big deal in Texas, Florida and Southeastern, before the split. He tried to go opposition to Eddie Graham, in Florida, which got him more heat with other promoters than the All-Star thing did (which Bob Roop orchestrated). Malenko was effectively on the outs and there is a lot of belief that it was why Dean and Joe were rarely used in bigger promotions (apart from All-Japan), until the late 90s.
That is followed by a Mid-South match, on a Memphis show, at the Mid-South Coliseum, with Junkyard Dog vs Butch Reed. At one point, they were working together, which led to the Rock N Roll Express and Midnight Express going to work for Watts and Barry Darsow and Jim Neidhart working for Memphis. Dog and Butch Reed had a big feud, before Dog went tot he WWF. Reed was turned babyface, to try to appeal to the African-American fanbase that adored Dog, but it didn't work. Watts tried it a couple of times, before giving up.
Number 7 is Leaping Lanny vs Crusher Broomfield. The story was that Crusher was a big country boy, who was under contract to Randy Savage and did his dirty work, aping a similar storyline in Knoxville, with Crusher Jerry Blackwell. Garvin started getting in his ear and Broomfield started rebelling against Savage. Garvin then reveals that Savage was stealing money that was supposed to help Broomfield's sick sister. Garvin wrestles Savage for Broomfield's contract and frees him. They did a bit where Broomfield wrestled, under a mask, as the Canadian Bumblebee and also angles where he was covered by a tarp, to hide who is helping Garvin, against Savage. Crusher then turned babyface and Savage sent Ernie The Cat Ladd to teach him a lesson, leading to their great feud and matches. Crusher, thanks to that, got booked into Mid-South and Dallas and became the One Man Gang, which was Garvin's moniker. Garvin wasn't happy, but had gotten over it by the time they met up again.
This is followed by a Memphis tv match, with The Dirty White Boys (Len Denton & Tony Anthony) vs Rufus R "Freight Train" Jones and Jerry Bryant. Rufus worked for the Crocketts quite a bit and Brynt was a local wrestler. Denton and Anthony had teamed in Southwest and Kansas City, as The Grapplers (and Len Denton worked solo, as The Grappler, in Florida and Portland). Denton was also a booker and a darned good one. They teamed as The Dirty White Boys in Memphis and Mid-South, before Denton went back to Portland and Anthony continued as The Dirty White Boy (singular, with his wife as a valet, Dirty White Girl). Savage had turned babyface and was teaming with Lawler, which was the norm, as Lawler feuded with guys, teamed with them, then they would turn back on him, leading to a second feud.
Last match is George Weingeroff vs Rip Rogers, managed by Izzy Slapowitz. Izzy was one of the All-Star guys and also wrestled for the Caulkins, in Mississippi, as well as underneath, in Georgia. This is earlier stuff, circa 1980-81, before Rip had the beard. Izzy had managed The Devil's Duo, Doug Vines & Jeff Sword, who were the US Tag Team champions, before dropping them to Leaping Lanny and George Weingeroff. George was thee son of Gentleman Saul Weingeroff, a heel manager and wrestler, who played an evil Jewish stereotype, which Izzy kind of swiped, though he added stuff about the Kabbalah. Needless to say, Southern audiences ate up negative Jewish stereotypes, just as they did racist Black stereotypes. George never did that but did do a Sheik rip-off in Dallas and All-Japan. George was another top amateur at UT-Chattanooga, though a few years before Pez. George is the veteran of the two wrestlers, as Rip was still pretty green, at this stage and had never been formally trained.
That gives you a pretty good feel for the Poffo ICW tv show. Not the best production values, but plenty of action and mayhem and some good angles.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 7, 2024 23:51:25 GMT -5
First read about this episode of Channel 4's Faking It, where a ballet dancer is turned into a professional wrestler, by trainers from the UK Hammerlock Gym.....
He does a really good job, as he was already well versed in physical performance and picks up the wrestling aspects quickly. Still, no one involved seemed aware of classic American wrestler Ricki Starr, who did a ballet gimmick in the 50s and 60s and ended up moving to England, where he worked the UK and European circuits, until the mid-late 70s. Would have been a natural gimmick for him. Starr was still alive when the program was recorded and could have at least given him a pep talk.
Hammerlock had been part of the Trans-Atlantic Wrestling Challenge program, which included Gary Steele and Chris Champion, under his Sinn gimmick. They were then a part of the NWA, as NWA Hammerlock, when Steele won the NWA title, defeating Naoya Ogawa, Inoki's last big protege.
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Post by driver1980 on Nov 9, 2024 9:09:10 GMT -5
Sorry to see Rags has deleted her account. I know I have done that in the past, too, sometimes one feels they have to. She always posted interesting stuff here - and in the comic-related threads, so if she does read this, I hope she may one day consider posting again.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 10, 2024 16:04:58 GMT -5
Dutch Mantell is in a bad way, with both health issues and financial troubles, brought on by health costs. Dutch has been hospitalized at least twice, with sepsis and his wife has also been hospitalized with her own issues. Their daughter has set up a Go Fund Me page to help cover the costs of their care, as their finances are depleted and she has been a full time caregiver. You can google it, if you want to contribute. Dutch was a good hand and one of the central figures in the glory days of Memphis wrestling, as well as a creative mind and booker. as Brian Last said, most of the entertaining stuff in TNA came from Dutch, including the Knockouts.
Meanwhile, Dave Meltzer, in commenting on the Go Fund Me, proceeded to use the situation and the fact that Tony Khan and Chris Jericho have kicked in large amounts to the fund as an excuse to take shots at Dutch's past criticism of AEW. Dave didn't make many fans with his comments and Dutch's podcast partner, James Romero has posted a response.....
Meanwhile, Jim Cornette spoke about the health situation and shared his anecdotes of working with Dutch, as a rookie manager. Ditch was the first wrestler he managed, in a match against Lawler, at the Mid-South Coliseum (he had managed Sherri Martel, at least on tv and some house shows). As he mentions, Dutch and his wife have been married for over 50 years, which is massive, in pro wrestling (as Ric Flair).
First time I saw Memphis wrestling (the one-hour version, from an Evansville, IN feed), Dutch was one of the standouts in the show (along with Lawler and Ricky & Robert Gibson). Of course, with that much back hair, he was hard to miss! Dutch was a damn good performer and an excellent booker, who understood storytelling and the little details that make a feud memorable, to which Corny speaks.
Get well soon, Dutchman.
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 10, 2024 16:55:11 GMT -5
ps James gets into more of an attack on Meltzer, with some valid criticisms and points, but some of it is more personal attacks. I get it. Corny doesn't broach that part, just stories about working with Dutch, at the start, and how Dutch was kind of the intermediary between Corny and Russo, in TNA.
Also, since we are heading into Veterans Day, I would like to point out that, unlike Sgt Slaughter, Dutch Mantell was a legit veteran of the US Army, during the Vietnam War and was awarded the Vietnam Service Medal, which unlike the National Defense Medal, during Operation desert Storm (which I hold) was only awarded to those who served in theater. In the Gulf War, the National defense Service Medal was awarded to all of the armed forces, for those serving during that period. I was stateside the entire time. Then again, they awarded a Silver Star, a medal for valor, to someone sitting on their ass, in the Pentagon, at the end of that. Medal Frenzy was a particularly distasteful aspect of the Gulf War. One of our ship captains put himself up for and was awarded a Silver Star for massacring surrendering Iraqi soldiers, with the ship's 5 inch gun, while attacking an oil platform. He also faced an investigation for potential war crimes, though they buried it with an official pronouncement that he exercised poor judgement, but committed no criminal acts. Translation: He did it, but he has his 20 years in and we can retire him quietly, because he will never be promoted and we can bury this thing and not taint our great victory.
Not that I am cynical about it or anything....
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Post by driver1980 on Nov 11, 2024 9:14:34 GMT -5
Who liked the Vinnie Vegas gimmick?
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Post by driver1980 on Nov 11, 2024 9:30:58 GMT -5
Love this:
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Post by codystarbuck on Nov 11, 2024 21:38:33 GMT -5
See, this is why Crockett was competitive with Vince, until he started over-reaching. They had the talent, they had the talkers who could fill arenas and hold Mcmahon at bay, until PPV started changing things and Vince was able to strongarm them out of contention just enough for the money problems to get concerning. Crockett's business dealing are a major part of what killed them, though Dusty's reliance on the "Dusty Finish" hurt them in some key markets, after it was used too many times. Not putting the Road Warriors over, in Chicago didn't help return business. Regardless, though, they were powerful, for a time; but, once the bloom was off the rose, it was a hard rebuild and the sale to Turner didn't improve things, especially when they chose clueless management. In terms of other revenue streams, Crockett was way behind on merchandise, though they did very will in home video and, as Corny has said, that was about the only part of the Turner organization that supported them. If you look at Crockett up through 1987, the depth of talent is amazing and the gates reflected it. After that, the wheels start to come off. JJ was always a great talker and a good manager, going back to his Florida days, as a thorn in Dusty's side. He was also Dusty's assistant booker, handling the details of angles and feuds, while Dusty came up with the big picture and direction. That is why Vince hired him away.
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Post by driver1980 on Nov 12, 2024 7:56:21 GMT -5
codystarbuck wrote this: Yet that was inconsistent at times. I mean, they had an absurd policy to restrict PPV tapes to 2 hours (leading to occurrences such as SuperBrawl III omitting two exceptional tag matches). Oh, and they didn’t even bother to release SuperBrawl IV on tape - and Bischoff appeared to have no answer as to why that occurred. From late 1993 to early 1997, they didn’t even bother to have a videotape licensee in the UK, forcing us Brits to import expensive tapes from ads in the PWI family of mags. And unlike the WWF, WCW rarely did anything other than PPV tapes. There were some, of course. But the majority were edited PPVs. Meanwhile, in the 80s/90s, the WWF was putting out videotapes devoted to gimmicks, wrestlers, championship belts, specific programmes, etc. It never dawned on WCW to do anything like, say, “Best of the US Championship” or “Best of Starrcade”. Not early on, anyway.
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