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Post by driver1980 on Sept 5, 2024 6:04:08 GMT -5
We know WCW couldn’t get anything right (mostly). We know they often fell behind in many ways: not releasing certain PPVs on videotape (with no-one, including Eric Bischoff, having a clue why), giving us immovable plastic ‘action’ figures while Hasbro’s WWF line gave us some articulation, having a PPV cut out as it went over 3 hours, not capitalising on their UK and Canadian audiences, not having a UK videotape licensee from 1993 to 1997, etc. Well, here’s another pedantic grumble. I do not remember Ric Flair or Lex Luger having trunks like these, so who on earth designed such figures? Amusing though it may seem, it leads me to deep point of WCW trailing far behind in every area from marketing and licensing to, well, everything. On action figures, I know Hasbro/the WWF weren’t blameless, which is why we got a peculiar looking 1-2-3 Kid and a Ted DiBiase figure that looked like Noel Edmonds. But the majority of their figures were good. As for WCW, not only did some of their figures have attire not seen in real life, but with them being solid plastic, what could you do with them? I mean, I challenge anyone to create a match using immovable plastic figures with these poses:
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Post by dbutler69 on Sept 5, 2024 8:14:29 GMT -5
If it can't move, it's not an action figure! More like a figurine.
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Post by driver1980 on Sept 5, 2024 9:12:08 GMT -5
If it can't move, it's not an action figure! More like a figurine. I mean, the Hasbro WWF line had its limitations, it wasn’t necessarily possible to put Hogan in Bret’s sharpshooter, but you could do some things. You could have Warrior gorilla press Andre, or have Bushwhacker Butch stomp on Rick Rude. No chance of getting the Ron Simmons figure to bodyslam El Gigante. And the belts looked cheap.
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Post by Batflunkie on Sept 5, 2024 10:16:23 GMT -5
Both of those look like Vince in a blonde wig
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 5, 2024 10:24:39 GMT -5
We know WCW couldn’t get anything right (mostly). We know they often fell behind in many ways: not releasing certain PPVs on videotape (with no-one, including Eric Bischoff, having a clue why), giving us immovable plastic ‘action’ figures while Hasbro’s WWF line gave us some articulation, having a PPV cut out as it went over 3 hours, not capitalising on their UK and Canadian audiences, not having a UK videotape licensee from 1993 to 1997, etc. Well, here’s another pedantic grumble. I do not remember Ric Flair or Lex Luger having trunks like these, so who on earth designed such figures? Amusing though it may seem, it leads me to deep point of WCW trailing far behind in every area from marketing and licensing to, well, everything. On action figures, I know Hasbro/the WWF weren’t blameless, which is why we got a peculiar looking 1-2-3 Kid and a Ted DiBiase figure that looked like Noel Edmonds. But the majority of their figures were good. As for WCW, not only did some of their figures have attire not seen in real life, but with them being solid plastic, what could you do with them? I mean, I challenge anyone to create a match using immovable plastic figures with these poses: Maybe the sculptors got a look at some of Flair's old trunks, from the 70s...... He was profilin'; but I don't know about stylin'. The bigger crime is El Gigante with a title belt; no one was stupid enough to make him a champion, even WCW!
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Post by driver1980 on Sept 5, 2024 10:43:01 GMT -5
Both of those look like Vince in a blonde wig I can’t see “unsee” that.
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Post by Batflunkie on Sept 5, 2024 17:13:16 GMT -5
So the trailer dropped for Netflix's "Mr. McMahon" documentary done by the folks behind "Tiger King"
Very curious to see if this covers anything that we don't already know about the old "Head Biznatch In Charge"
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Post by driver1980 on Sept 5, 2024 17:16:36 GMT -5
I agree.
Wrestling can often feel redundant. I mean, did the death of WCW need more discourse? I fully expect that in 2027, we’ll see a “Montreal Screwjob DVD”. What is there left to say?
Everyone here has no doubt not only watched wrestling but read about it. We’re a knowledgable bunch, all of us. From the PWI family of mags and insider newsletters to countless DVD and Network documentaries, I’d say any one of us here would pass a “History of Wrestling” Exam.
I just don’t know what more can be said, and they certainly can’t discuss a potential court case.
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Post by driver1980 on Sept 5, 2024 17:18:06 GMT -5
Million Dollar Man Ted DiBiase hosting a BBC show under the pseudonym Noel Edmonds:
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Post by Batflunkie on Sept 5, 2024 17:28:05 GMT -5
I agree. Wrestling can often feel redundant. I mean, did the death of WCW need more discourse? I fully expect that in 2027, we’ll see a “Montreal Screwjob DVD”. What is there left to say? Everyone here has no doubt not only watched wrestling but read about it. We’re a knowledgable bunch, all of us. From the PWI family of mags and insider newsletters to countless DVD and Network documentaries, I’d say any one of us here would pass a “History of Wrestling” Exam. I just don’t know what more can be said, and they certainly can’t discuss a potential court case. If anything, it's not going to paint a particularly good picture of Vince for people that aren't already familiar with him. Honestly, he's kind of a sad person, but not to the point where I'd ever feel sorry about him. He's done deplorable, horrible things for the sake of protecting himself. He wanted the world to remember his name, but as the decades went on, it's become known for all the wrong reasons
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Post by driver1980 on Sept 5, 2024 17:34:56 GMT -5
I’m told Vince Russo has been on another rant about ‘fake fights’ (we know it’s predetermined, you moron), ‘casual fans’ and how wrestling doesn’t have storylines today.
I guess I imagined the Bloodline story, then.
I don’t want to get into another rant about him, but, please, if extraterrestrials ever make contact, please don’t let their first contact be Vince Russo…
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Post by driver1980 on Sept 6, 2024 13:43:25 GMT -5
Last night’s viewing, hosted by Johnny Polo: What’s this exclusive Owen Hart match? Hmmm… Lex Luger vs. The Model Rick MartelMartel seemed like glorified enhancement talent in 1994. Here, he and Lex put on a solid bout, which Lex wins via the Torture Rack. As I said, solid, but nothing particularly great or memorable. Owen Hart vs. Mike FreemanMike who? Yes, the “exclusive Owen Hart match” that the sleeve promises is a squash match from 1994, which Owen wins via the sharpshooter. At the time I presumed this’d be an unreleased Bret vs. Owen match or something, well, exclusive. Shameless as ever, Coliseum Video. The Bushwhackers vs. The QuebecersThis is about exactly what you’d expect, nothing more, nothing less. It’s fun while it lasts. Jacques pins Butch for the win. Tatanka vs. Chris HamrickChris who? Read my thoughts on Owen Hart vs. Mike Freeman, and you’ll have an idea of how I feel about this being include on the tape. Coliseum tapes should have been about star power, they weren’t exactly cheap tapes (between £10 and £15 in the UK). Tatanka wins via pinfall. Koko B. Ware vs. Jeff JarrettA typical WWF match of the era, which doesn’t last too long. Jarrett pins Koko. Like Martel, Koko, and so many others, became “glorified enhancement talent” between 1992 and 1994, which is a shame. Tatanka, the Smoking Gunns, The 1-2-3 Kid & Sparky Plugg v. Jeff Jarrett, IRS, The Headshrinkers & Rick MartelYes, this is the match that wasn’t included at WM X due to time constraints (or whatever the real reason was). Lots of strange bedfellows here: The Headshrinkers never came across as team players, just like Bad News Brown didn’t. I mean, would Martel have approved of the fashion choices of Samu and Fatu? And could IRS have been sure the Headshrinkers had done their taxes? This doesn’t really work because at under 8 minutes, there simply wasn’t time to showcase all the participants. If you ask me, 6, 8 or 10-man tag matches would need at least 15-20 minutes to really work. So there’s nothing memorable here. (IRS pins Kid to get the win for his team) Yokozuna vs. Scott PowersScott who? Yep, another squash match. The only other time I recall a squash match being on a Coliseum tape was on one of the Ultimate Warrior’s tapes, where he slaughtered Bob Emery. Squash matches do not belong on videotapes (oh, Yoko pins Powers, but you knew that already). SummaryWWF Mania was one of my favourite WWF shows of that period, I even preferred it over Monday Night Raw (mostly), and it did feature competitive matches. This tape doesn’t really have a standout bout that would make its purchase worthwhile. Once again, the match selection is baffling, and it made you wonder if Coliseum employees just chose things without any rhyme or reason. The inclusion of the match that didn’t make the WM X card makes sense, but it doesn’t save the tape. This will be another video I’ll be donating.
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Post by codystarbuck on Sept 6, 2024 21:19:35 GMT -5
Last night’s viewing, hosted by Johnny Polo: What’s this exclusive Owen Hart match? Hmmm… Lex Luger vs. The Model Rick MartelMartel seemed like glorified enhancement talent in 1994. Here, he and Lex put on a solid bout, which Lex wins via the Torture Rack. As I said, solid, but nothing particularly great or memorable. Owen Hart vs. Mike FreemanMike who? Yes, the “exclusive Owen Hart match” that the sleeve promises is a squash match from 1994, which Owen wins via the sharpshooter. At the time I presumed this’d be an unreleased Bret vs. Owen match or something, well, exclusive. Shameless as ever, Coliseum Video. The Bushwhackers vs. The QuebecersThis is about exactly what you’d expect, nothing more, nothing less. It’s fun while it lasts. Jacques pins Butch for the win. Tatanka vs. Chris HamrickChris who? Read my thoughts on Owen Hart vs. Mike Freeman, and you’ll have an idea of how I feel about this being include on the tape. Coliseum tapes should have been about star power, they weren’t exactly cheap tapes (between £10 and £15 in the UK). Tatanka wins via pinfall. Koko B. Ware vs. Jeff JarrettA typical WWF match of the era, which doesn’t last too long. Jarrett pins Koko. Like Martel, Koko, and so many others, became “glorified enhancement talent” between 1992 and 1994, which is a shame. Tatanka, the Smoking Gunns, The 1-2-3 Kid & Sparky Plugg v. Jeff Jarrett, IRS, The Headshrinkers & Rick MartelYes, this is the match that wasn’t included at WM X due to time constraints (or whatever the real reason was). Lots of strange bedfellows here: The Headshrinkers never came across as team players, just like Bad News Brown didn’t. I mean, would Martel have approved of the fashion choices of Samu and Fatu? And could IRS have been sure the Headshrinkers had done their taxes? This doesn’t really work because at under 8 minutes, there simply wasn’t time to showcase all the participants. If you ask me, 6, 8 or 10-man tag matches would need at least 15-20 minutes to really work. So there’s nothing memorable here. (IRS pins Kid to get the win for his team) Yokozuna vs. Scott PowersScott who? Yep, another squash match. The only other time I recall a squash match being on a Coliseum tape was on one of the Ultimate Warrior’s tapes, where he slaughtered Bob Emery. Squash matches do not belong on videotapes (oh, Yoko pins Powers, but you knew that already). SummaryWWF Mania was one of my favourite WWF shows of that period, I even preferred it over Monday Night Raw (mostly), and it did feature competitive matches. This tape doesn’t really have a standout bout that would make its purchase worthwhile. Once again, the match selection is baffling, and it made you wonder if Coliseum employees just chose things without any rhyme or reason. The inclusion of the match that didn’t make the WM X card makes sense, but it doesn’t save the tape. This will be another video I’ll be donating. Koko was kicking @$$ when Jeff Jarrett was trying to borrow his dad's car, to go chase girls. Kind of sad to see Koko putting Jeff over, when he was the superior talent. Then again, that's how you built up the next generation and Koko knew that. He had a good run in the WWF; but, I don't think he was used as well as he was in Memphis and Mid-South, because of his size. Regardless of how tall he was, he was believable in a fight....probably because he was one of the guys, backstage, you didn't want to mess with. Martel, by that point, probably didn't care...he'd had his runs on top, in Montreal and the AWA, plus previous runs in the WWF. I suspect he just liked being around the boys and working in the ring. If English had been his first language, I think he would have gone higher, in the WWF and elsewhere, as I have seen a couple of Montreal promos and the personality is there far more than it was, in the us.
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Post by driver1980 on Sept 7, 2024 12:07:06 GMT -5
This afternoon’s viewing: This is, as the tape states, a review of the year 1992, Unlike later DVD releases, the chronology is all over the place, as was often the case with Coliseum releases. There is also the dreaded “recycling”, which confirms my “conspiracy theory” that Greenpeace were secretly funding the WWF. There’s also some coverage of late 1991 moments (such as The Rockers’ splitting up) that will provide context to the 1992 stuff. Let’s concentrate on the matches to start with. The Mountie vs. Bret HartThis is a grudge match of sorts, taking place in February of 1992. The Mountie had cheated Bret out of the IC Championship and then lost the belt to Roddy Piper at the Royal Rumble. It’s a pretty good bout, but just as Bret is about to win with the sharpshooter, the Nasty Boys interfere. So we get an inconclusive ending. Thankfully, Roddy Piper runs out to even the odds. Roddy Piper vs. Shawn MichaelsWhen Michaels became a singles star, he was often kept away from main eventers (I wanted to see Michaels battle Hulk Hogan), although he did face WWF World Champion Randy Savage during the 1992 European tour. Anyway, there’s an interesting contrast between the veteran Piper (he was a veteran in ‘92, right?) and the cocksure, young heel. This was a cracking bout, and I wish we’d seen a feud between these two, although Piper left after WM VIII. Sadly, we have our second non-finish ending of the tape after a ref bump. Shame. Hulk Hogan tributeHogan sits down with Vince McMahon and they have a semi-kayfabe discussion, with Vince wishing Hogan well. There are also match clips. For the ten thousandth time on Coliseum releases, we see Hogan vs. Andre (WM III) and Hogan vs. Warrior (WM VI). Understandable though it is to show highlights of his key bouts, as this is a 1992-specific review, could we not have seen, I don’t know, a 1992 match from say, SNME? Coliseum were so unimaginative at times. WWF Intercontinental Champion Shawn Michaels vs. Marty JannettyAfter clips of the Rockers’ split up, we get this mesmerising bout, possibly the best one the two men had. We’re in November 1992. From start to finish, no move is wasted. Shawn gets the win via pinfall (not entirely by legal means, I might add, but that’s what he was like, eh?). The Undertaker vs. The BerzerkerI quite liked this feud, and both men seemed to have good chemistry. Berzerker seemed to be very good at selling his frustration of not being able to put Undertaker away. The Berzerker risks a police prosecution (presumably) as he attempts to use his sword. He also piledrives Undertaker onto the exposed concrete. So, another non-finish, but satisfying in its own way. Casket Match: The Undertaker vs. KamalaFrom Survivor Series ‘92. It’s woeful. Taker wins. This was one of my least favourite feuds of 1992. Enough said. Papa Shango vs. Brian BriegerA match that isn’t a match. The black goo and fire incapacitates Brieger. Enough said. WWF Tag Team Champions Natural Disasters vs. Money Inc.This is the belt where the heels regain the tag team championship. I initially enjoyed the feud when it began in early 1992, but by late 1992, I was a little bored with it. The two teams had the “same match” each time. This was a slow, plodding bout, and I was glad when it ended (DiBiase finishes off Earthquake with the Million Dollar Dream). WWF Champion Randy Savage vs. Ric FlairI did expect better from this when I first saw it. Flair wins the title back via figure-four leglock, thanks to interference from Razor Ramon. Savage’s reign did seem a little underwhelming, and I actually believe he and Flair had better bouts in WCW. This was rather unsatisfying. WWF Champion Bret Hart vs. Shawn MichaelsFrom Survivor Series ‘92. It’s an excellent bout, and it’s back and forth between both men, leading to a sharpshooter win for Bret. Of course, this match was on the PPV tape, which most of us already had at the time. WWF Intercontinental Champion Bret Hart vs. Davey Boy SmithFrom Wembley Stadium, the place that Hulk Hogan claimed to have wrestled at (he didn’t). It’s a remarkable bout which has stood the test of time well, and one of the best bouts ever seen on British soil. You know the result (Bulldog wins via pinfall). Both men celebrate as the PPV goes off the air. Hogan main eventing is nowhere to be seen. Perhaps he had a dark match against Skinner or Jim Powers, who knows? SummaryThere’s a lot that is good about this tape, and one can’t criticise the calibre of the PPV bouts. I do feel more could have been done to keep the narrative chronological. And I feel there could and should have been some focus on the WWF’s syndicated shows. “Recycling” of bouts always got on my nerves, though. However, the majority of the tape is enjoyable.
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Post by Batflunkie on Sept 7, 2024 13:17:34 GMT -5
This afternoon’s viewing: I feel like "Who Did What To Who" could greatly summarize most wrestling. All we need now is the "why" and the "when"
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