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Post by Ricky Jackson on Aug 27, 2024 20:28:57 GMT -5
Everyone here knows what happened thirty years ago today: I certainly did not see it coming! Without ECW, I might not have ever gotten back into wrestling in my 20's and I mean that as sincerely as humanly possible. 2010/2011 WWE was absolute crap and there really were no alternatives (TNA was already starting to absolutely nosedive). I grew up with Ruthless Aggression Era Smackdown and 90's ECW totally felt like the fore-father of that And they were booked by the same guy
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 27, 2024 20:47:36 GMT -5
Sid's death actually made it on NPR's site! Shame they couldn't spare any time for Terry Funk, even with the movies. Or Roddy Piper. Dusty got an obit, though. Paul Bearer/Percy Pringle and Chyna. Randy Savage. Nothing even, for Bruno.
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Post by commond on Aug 27, 2024 22:22:53 GMT -5
Well, he was the master and ruler of the world.
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Post by driver1980 on Aug 28, 2024 3:55:06 GMT -5
Thirty five years ago today, SummerSlam ‘89 aired on PPV: A reminder of the card: The Hart Foundation vs. The Brain Busters Dusty Rhodes vs. Honky Tonk Man The Red Rooster vs. Mr. Perfect Tito Santana & The Rockers vs. The Model Rick Martel & The Fabulous Rougeaus WWF Intercontinental Champion Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior Jim Duggan & Demolition vs. Andre the Giant & The Twin Towers Greg Valentine vs. Hercules Superfly Jimmy Snuka vs. Ted DiBiase Hulk Hogan & Brutus “The Barber” Beefcake vs. Macho King Randy Savage & Zeus This is one of my favourite SummerSlam events. I mean, where else can you find TWO six-man tag matches?! I wish the Hart Foundation and the Brain Busters had had a longer feud, their match here is top-notch. Warrior/Rude is incredible, and it was satisfying to see Warrior regain the gold. I really enjoyed the story told in the main event. It’d be easy for wrestling ‘journalists’ to bash this, but we had Hogan and Beefcake as underdogs (in a sense), a Zeus who looked and acted like he had murder on his mind, and a satisfying story was told, I feel. So, yes, one of my favourite PPVs.
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Post by driver1980 on Aug 28, 2024 9:56:55 GMT -5
Until today, I hadn’t heard of this:
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 28, 2024 15:19:12 GMT -5
Last night’s viewing, a 60-minute tape, one of the ones my mother bought me in the early 90s (on two occasions during the tape, there’s a montage of wrestling clips): WWF Intercontinental Champion Texas Tornado vs. Mr. PerfectThis is a heartbreaking match, which sees Perfect regain his IC Championship. It’s painful. You see, Ted DiBiase “pays off” Howard Finkel and takes his place as ring announcer. I’m sure it’s all innocent…not. Tornado and Perfect then put on a brilliant display - perhaps the best on they had - but after a ref bump, DiBiase nails Tornado with the belt, allowing a recovering Earl Hebner to record the pin. This was deflating to me as a youngster, akin to seeing Luthor get one over on Superman. It did at least lead to a Tornado/DiBiase feud. Marty Jannetty vs. The Model Rick MartelFrom the Survivor Series Showdown, we have Marty and Martel, who would be on opposing teams a week later at Survivor Series ‘90. It feels a tad overlong and features a lot of rest holds, but it’s believable enough, and we get a conclusive win (Martel wins via pinfall). Hulk Hogan & Tugboat vs. Rhythm & BluesFrom a late 1990 episode of Saturday Night’s Main Event, this follows the usual hero vs. villain cartoon formula (that’s not a criticism, not everything is about workrate). It’s certainly very heated, but, perhaps predictably, it ends inconclusively as Earthquake and Dino Bravo come out to interfere. It ends on a fun note, I guess, as the babyfaces get a DQ win - and Tugboat gets to use Honky Tonk Man’s guitar against the dastardly heels. A fun bout. Big Boss Man vs. BarbarianThese two always had good chemistry. It’s easy for workrate-obsessed ‘journalists’ to mock this era, but these men are far more convincing than *some* of the gymnasts we see today. A punch or a kick means something here! It looks convincing. You can believe both guys hate each other. Big Boss Man gets the win via pinfall, but sadly, Haku comes out afterwards and he and Barbarian deliver a beating to the lawman. WWF Champion Ultimate Warrior vs. Ted DiBiaseEarlier in 1990, Warrior pinned DiBiase in a glorified squash match (in Japan). Here, they have a more competitive match, and both men work well together, with Warrior having to pull out some technical moves to try and stop DiBiase. DiBiase is maniacal in this match, and the competitive nature of the bout left me wondering back in the day whether DiBiase might become world champion. Sadly, we do not get a conclusive ending as Macho King interferes and helps DiBiase beat down Warrior, although Warrior eventually recovers and holds aloft his world belt. Great bout, but this isn’t the tape for those of us who got heartbroken at babyfaces losing or being beaten down (all part of the fun, I suppose). SummaryThere isn’t a bad match on the tape, even the Jannetty/Martel bout is solid. There’s a good mix here, and this is one tape I’ll be keeping. Thanks for the heads up on this tape! I didn't know about it, but It looks like it's available on Peacock, so I think I'll watch this next! Also, I would expect Jannetty/Martel to be good, as I think they're both very good workers.
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 28, 2024 15:24:40 GMT -5
I recently watched King of the Ring 1995
Vince McMahon and Dok Hendrix (Michael Hayes) on commentary. From Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Spoiler alert – the booking (and the wrestling) on this PPV is awful. However, the bad booking started even before the tournament, with the KOTR qualifying matches. The result is the weakest field imaginable for this tournament. They had Owen Hart and the British Bulldog fight to a time limit draw, eliminating both men (rather than just have them wrestle again, as they’ve done in years past when this has happened) and both of those guys are much better than most of the clowns (no, luckily Doink didn’t qualify) who are actually in the tournament. Heck, I'd rather see Henry O. Godwin (the evil pig farmer, Jean-Pierre Lafitte (the evil pirate. AKA Jacques Rougeau), or even Adam Bomb, than the majority of the wrestlers in this tournament! So, here are some of the guys who will NOT wrestle at this PPV: Owen Hart, the British Bulldog, Lex Luger, Jeff Jarrett, Razor Ramon, the 1-2-3 Kid, and Hakushi. Plus, Diesel will not defend his WWF title but will wrestle in a tag team match. Meanwhile, we get such wrestling immortals as the Roadie (with ONE single match under his belt), Savio Vega (AKA Kang, who is a recent addition to the roster so most people don’t even know who he is), and Kama. Okay, Razor had a legit injury, and I THINK the 1-2-3 Kid might have as well, plus Diesel is recovering from a legit injury so they put him in a tag match to protect him, but how can you not have Owen Hart, the defending champ, and best worker (aside from Shawn Michaels) in the potential KOTR field, in this tournament? Mind blowing stupidity by the WWF here. It’s a wonder that anyone bought this PPV. I'll be glad when 1995 is over in my WWF/WCW viewing.
First we have a King of the Ring Qualifying Match: IRS w/ Ted Dibiase vs. Savio Vega w/ Razor Ramon
Oh boy, a bonus match, what a treat. With Razor not medically cleared for the tournament, this is a qualifying match added at the last minutes. Vega wins with a spinning heel kick, which was sort of his finisher. This was an okay match. Nothing special, but certainly not bad at all. Rather basic. One thing really annoyed me, though. When IRS was sent out of the ring, and Hendrix says he needs to bring him back in because “you can’t beat him outside the ring”. Yes, you can!!! This is a KOTR qualifying match. A countout is as good as a pin, you moron! It’s one of my pet peeves about wrestling announcers, when they say that, because it’s NOT TRUE except for in matches where a championship belt is at stake.
Anyway, next up is the first King of the Ring Quarterfinal Match: Savio Vega w/ Razor Ramon vs. Yokozuna w/ Jim Cornette and Mr. Fuji
Savio has to go again already. Savio wins when Yoko is run into a ringpost outside the ring and is counted out. See, you can beat him outside the ring! Anyway, this was not a good match at all. Yoko wasn’t good for much at this point in his career and Savio Vega is certainly not the guy to carry him to something decent.
Next is another King of the Ring Quarterfinals match: The Roadie (w/Jeff Jarrett) vs. Bob “Spark Plugg” Holly
Roadie wins (!) when Holly comes off the top rope but runs into Roadie’s boot and Roadie covers for the pin, even though Holly’s shoulder was clearly up. Other than the slightly botched finish (I’m not sure what happened there) this was a decent match. Mostly because of Holly, who I think is pretty good (too bad he’s not a member of the Kliq) though Roadie did a good job of bumping.
Next quarterfinal match is Kama (w/ Ted DiBiase) vs. Shawn Michaels
We get a time limit draw here. Sigh. This was a pretty good match, mostly due to Michaels, but it seemed to be wrestled at a pace without much urgency (considering the time limit) until the last couple of minutes. So, we best and also most popular wrestler in the entire tournament is gone after just the first round. Of course, they did this so that Mabel could get more rest before the final. This is the problem with booking big fat guys to reach the final – you have to do these BS time limit draws to rest them. Same thing happened in 1993 with Bam Bam Bigelow. They could have done the brackets differently, and maybe had the Roadie-Holly match be the one ending in a time limit draw, then have Shawn (or Undertaker)in the other half of the draw so that he could face Mabel in the finals. I guess that would have made too much sense, though. Plus the paying fans get screwed out of one match.
Last quarterfinal match is Mabel (w/ Mo) vs. The Undertaker (w/ Paul Bearer)
Taker performs the jumping clothesline and a chokeslam, then covers for the pin. Unfortunately, Kama arrives and kicks Taker in the head whilst the ref is distracted. Mabel follows that with a leg drop and gets the win. This was a terrible match. ‘nuff said. So now, the other wrestler in this tournament that people actually care about, the Undertaker, is ALSO gone in the first round! This is WCW level stupidity.
Next is our first, and only, semifinal match: Savio Vega (w/ Razor Ramon) vs. The Roadie (w/ Jeff Jarrett)
Are you kidding me? Roadie vs. Savio Vega in a King of the Ring SEMIFINAL?! Wow. Anyway, Roadie runs into Jarrett on the apron and Vega rolls him up for the win. A boring match. Not terrible, but not good either.
By the way, the Philly crowd started out hot for this show, but at this point the WWF has lost the crowd, as they have gotten quieter as this PPV has progressed, and were fairly dead for this one. I can’t blame them at all, after this garbage. Also, some people started an “ECW” chant.
Next we have the Kiss My Foot Match: Bret Hart vs. Jerry Lawler
It’s always good to see Bret Hart and all that, but this feud has gotten out of hand. I don’t think I need to explain the idea behind this match. We’ve also had to endure a lot of bad foot jokes and some “training” videos showing how Lawler is making his feet disgusting on the weekly shows leading up to this. Anyway, Bret wins after knocking around Lawler throughout most of the match, when Hakushi’s interference backfires, then Bret has Lawler kiss his foot, per the rules of the match, really shoving his toes into Lawler’s mouth. Disgusting. Then, as promised, he made Lawler kiss HIS OWN foot, shoving Lawler’s foot into his own mouth. I have to say, I am very impressed that Lawler was flexible enough to swallow his own foot! This was a pretty good match. BY no means a great match, and certainly not one of Bret Hart’s better matches, but by the low standards of this PPV, it was pretty good, and it did wake up the crowd a little bit.
You might think (and hope) that this was the blowoff for this feud, but I believe it does continue Oh well.
KOTR Finals: Mabel (w/ Mo) vs. Savio Vega (w/ Razor Ramon)
Mabel wins with a front falling slam. This was terrible. One of the worst PPV matches ever. Slow, boring, and just not good at all. What a disaster. We get another “ECW” chant. Way to get the crowd to turn on you, WWF! That was about the only noise the crowd made for this match, though, as they couldn’t have cared less. Who can blame them?
For our feature match, we get WWF Champion Diesel and Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Tatanka and Sycho Sid w/ Ted Dibiase
The good guys win when Sid walks out on his teammate (with fans throwing trash at him) after Diesel had pulled Tatanka up after a two count and motioned for Sid to come in, so then Diesel hitting an elbow drop on Tatanka for the pin. Terrible match with a garbage finish. And I fail to see the logic in making Sid look like a complete coward when you are grooming him for a title shot at the next PPV in a month. This makes no sense and again, I will say that it’s WCW level stupidity.
Mabel and Mo get garbage thrown on them during the crowning ceremony, and Mo took waaay too long to read the proclamation.
This is the worst WWF PPV I’ve seen up to this point in time. The quality of the wrestling was bad and nothing about the booking (other than Hart-Lawler) made any sense. The Michaels match, the Hart match, and maybe the Holly match were all decent to pretty good, but everything else was awful and not even close to PPV quality. The semifinal and final were truly awful.
Some other general notes. I saw Vlad the superfan (as usual) and he was actually wearing a tee shirt instead of a tank top. First time I’ve seen that, I think.
We get another freaking ref bump! I’m so sick of this happening at every single PPV. Also, nobody ever hooks the leg. Someone like Gorilla Monsoon might point this out on commentary, and it is rather stupid, but I read that they are instructed not to hook the leg unless it’s the actual final pinfall. This is stupid on several levels. First, it makes the wrestlers look stupid. Plus, once the fans catch on, it makes the matches more predicable, as you know this isn’t the end of the match because he’s not hooking the leg. Plus people might catch on that it’s all a work.
They also kept showing the Spanish language commentators during this PPV, even doing a split screen at one point. I have no idea why. WWF is doing a lot of really stupid things around this time. I also hate the time limit draws.
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 28, 2024 15:29:43 GMT -5
I recently watched Bash at the Beach 1995
This one is actually at a beach – Huntington Beach, California, to be precise. It’s a very cool visual, but it also means that WCW gave free admission to a PPV, which seems to be a typical WCW business decision. Thy did recoup some of it by having it sponsored by Slim Jim, hence the ugly Slim Jim ringposts.
Bobby Heenan and Tony Schiavone on commentary as usual with Mean Gene Okerlund doing the interviews.
First match is for the WCW United States Title Match: Sting (champ) vs. Meng (w/ Col. Parker)
Sting ducks a kick attempt and rolls up Meng for the win in a sloppy looking finish. This match was just okay. I mean, Sting versus a monster heel is guaranteed to be at least pretty decent, and that’s what this was, but it was nothing special. I’ve never really cared for Meng/Haku, though, personally.
Next is the TV Title Match: The Renegade (champ) (w/ Jimmy Hart) vs. Paul Orndorff
Renegade wins with a suplex, as the ref chooses not to notice that Orndorff’s shoulder was up, though Bobby Heenan correctly points it out. This match was terrible. Several Renegade botches. What a joke that this guy is TV Champ, just because he bears a passing resemblance to the Ultimate Warrior. The crowd cheered Orndorff and booed Renegade, so that should tell you something.
Next match is Kamala (w/ The Taskmaster) vs. Hacksaw Jim Duggan
Kamala wins when Zodiac sneaks in the ring and clobbers Duggan with Kamala’s mask while the ref is distracted, allowing Kamala the easy pin. This match was terrible. The only good thing is that Duggan lost.
Next is Diamond Dallas Page (w/ The Diamond Doll & Max Muscle) vs. Dave Sullivan
Dave/Evad still has a crush on the Doll. They are ripping off the Randy Savage/Elizabeth/George the Animal Steele story here, except that that one was much better than this. Anyway, DDP lands the Diamond Cutter almost out of nowhere (as Sullivan had been beating on him most of the match) thanks to a distraction from Max Muscle, to get the win. Another bad match.
Four matches so far and they’ve all been pretty bad. DDP vs. Evad has been the best one of the night so far also the best Dave Sullivan match I’ve seen to date but that sure isn’t saying much in either of those cases.
Next is a Triangle Match for the Tag Team Titles: Harlem Heat (champs) (w/ Sister Sherri) vs. The Nasty Boys vs. The Blue Bloods
The announcer gives the Blue Bloods weight in “stones” which is a nice touch, but shouldn’t it be “stone” even in the plural? Maybe I’m wrong, I don’t know.
Anyway, the rules to this are so convoluted and stupid that I don’t even feel like explaining them. A coin toss will decide which 2 teams start, but once the match is underway anybody can tag out to anybody – even someone from another tag team. As soon as somebody gets pinned, the team who got the pin is the new champ. Even though Harlem Heat are the champs, ANY of the three teams can get pinned by ANY other team and that ends the match and the pinning team is the new (or retaining) champ.
I hated this match. There was some action, but I thought it was a complete mess. I think everybody was confused. Heenan professed being confused, and I don’t blame him and I expect that many fans and perhaps even the wrestlers were confused by this stupid match. Anyway, it appeared that the Nasties were the new champs as Sags was on top of Booker, who was on top of Regal, whose shoulders were on the mat for the pin. The Nasties celebrate, but it turns out that Harlem Heat actually won the match. I guess because Booker was the one directly on top of Regal? I don’t know. The end was very confusing, as was the whole match. I’m just glad that’s over.
We’re 5 matches in and I haven’t liked any of them yet.
Next is a Lifeguard Match: Macho Man Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair
What is a lifeguard match? Well, it’s a lumberjack match, except that you’re on the beach.
It looks like Flair might steal a win as one of the “lifeguards”, Arn Anderson, sneaks in an applies a DDT to Savage. However, he kicks out at 2 and then comes back with a slam, a flying axehandle, and a flying elbow for the win. A clean win! I think this is the blowoff to this feud. It was a good match. These 2 have had better, but it was still a good match and the best of this PPV.
Oh, and I have more gripes about WCW’s stupid over the top rope DQ rule. Savage suplexes Flair over the top rope onto the ground and there’s no DQ?! Heenan rightly asks why not and Schiavone says because he wasn’t intentionally tossed outside the ring. WTF? How do you sleep at night, Schiavone? Also, later on, Savage backdrops Flair over the top rope onto the floor. I fail to see the difference between that and throwing the guy out, but whatever. WCW just likes to come up with stupid rules then ignore them.
We get a Hogan promo, and it's gotten to the point where I think Hogan's promos are so annoying (and nonsensical, and long, and too many Harley references) that I am tempted to fast forward past them. I resisted, though.
Now we get a Cage Match for the WCW Title: Hulk Hogan (champ) (w/ Jimmy Hart & Dennis Rodman) vs. Vader
You can win by pinfall, submission, or getting out of the cage and on the ground before your opponent.
Hogan wins when both guys are at the top of the cage and Hogan knocks Vader off and climbs out for the win. What a surprise. It was a decent match, though nothing special. Your typical Hogan match.
After the match, Ric Flair and Arn Anderson come in and berate Vader for losing, then take off. Vader turns to the camera and challenges both of them to a handicap match. That sets up one of the matches for our next Clash of Champions.
All in all, a bad PPV. It looked cool having this wrestling ring on the beach, but all but the last 2 matches were awful.
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Post by commond on Aug 28, 2024 16:18:33 GMT -5
Don't say I didn't warn ya about '95.
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Post by driver1980 on Aug 28, 2024 16:27:17 GMT -5
I recently watched King of the Ring 1995
Vince McMahon and Dok Hendrix (Michael Hayes) on commentary. From Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Spoiler alert – the booking (and the wrestling) on this PPV is awful. However, the bad booking started even before the tournament, with the KOTR qualifying matches. The result is the weakest field imaginable for this tournament. They had Owen Hart and the British Bulldog fight to a time limit draw, eliminating both men (rather than just have them wrestle again, as they’ve done in years past when this has happened) and both of those guys are much better than most of the clowns (no, luckily Doink didn’t qualify) who are actually in the tournament. Heck, I'd rather see Henry O. Godwin (the evil pig farmer, Jean-Pierre Lafitte (the evil pirate. AKA Jacques Rougeau), or even Adam Bomb, than the majority of the wrestlers in this tournament! So, here are some of the guys who will NOT wrestle at this PPV: Owen Hart, the British Bulldog, Lex Luger, Jeff Jarrett, Razor Ramon, the 1-2-3 Kid, and Hakushi. Plus, Diesel will not defend his WWF title but will wrestle in a tag team match. Meanwhile, we get such wrestling immortals as the Roadie (with ONE single match under his belt), Savio Vega (AKA Kang, who is a recent addition to the roster so most people don’t even know who he is), and Kama. Okay, Razor had a legit injury, and I THINK the 1-2-3 Kid might have as well, plus Diesel is recovering from a legit injury so they put him in a tag match to protect him, but how can you not have Owen Hart, the defending champ, and best worker (aside from Shawn Michaels) in the potential KOTR field, in this tournament? Mind blowing stupidity by the WWF here. It’s a wonder that anyone bought this PPV. I'll be glad when 1995 is over in my WWF/WCW viewing. First we have a King of the Ring Qualifying Match: IRS w/ Ted Dibiase vs. Savio Vega w/ Razor Ramon
Oh boy, a bonus match, what a treat. With Razor not medically cleared for the tournament, this is a qualifying match added at the last minutes. Vega wins with a spinning heel kick, which was sort of his finisher. This was an okay match. Nothing special, but certainly not bad at all. Rather basic. One thing really annoyed me, though. When IRS was sent out of the ring, and Hendrix says he needs to bring him back in because “you can’t beat him outside the ring”. Yes, you can!!! This is a KOTR qualifying match. A countout is as good as a pin, you moron! It’s one of my pet peeves about wrestling announcers, when they say that, because it’s NOT TRUE except for in matches where a championship belt is at stake. Anyway, next up is the first King of the Ring Quarterfinal Match: Savio Vega w/ Razor Ramon vs. Yokozuna w/ Jim Cornette and Mr. Fuji
Savio has to go again already. Savio wins when Yoko is run into a ringpost outside the ring and is counted out. See, you can beat him outside the ring! Anyway, this was not a good match at all. Yoko wasn’t good for much at this point in his career and Savio Vega is certainly not the guy to carry him to something decent. Next is another King of the Ring Quarterfinals match: The Roadie (w/Jeff Jarrett) vs. Bob “Spark Plugg” Holly
Roadie wins (!) when Holly comes off the top rope but runs into Roadie’s boot and Roadie covers for the pin, even though Holly’s shoulder was clearly up. Other than the slightly botched finish (I’m not sure what happened there) this was a decent match. Mostly because of Holly, who I think is pretty good (too bad he’s not a member of the Kliq) though Roadie did a good job of bumping. Next quarterfinal match is Kama (w/ Ted DiBiase) vs. Shawn Michaels
We get a time limit draw here. Sigh. This was a pretty good match, mostly due to Michaels, but it seemed to be wrestled at a pace without much urgency (considering the time limit) until the last couple of minutes. So, we best and also most popular wrestler in the entire tournament is gone after just the first round. Of course, they did this so that Mabel could get more rest before the final. This is the problem with booking big fat guys to reach the final – you have to do these BS time limit draws to rest them. Same thing happened in 1993 with Bam Bam Bigelow. They could have done the brackets differently, and maybe had the Roadie-Holly match be the one ending in a time limit draw, then have Shawn (or Undertaker)in the other half of the draw so that he could face Mabel in the finals. I guess that would have made too much sense, though. Plus the paying fans get screwed out of one match. Last quarterfinal match is Mabel (w/ Mo) vs. The Undertaker (w/ Paul Bearer)
Taker performs the jumping clothesline and a chokeslam, then covers for the pin. Unfortunately, Kama arrives and kicks Taker in the head whilst the ref is distracted. Mabel follows that with a leg drop and gets the win. This was a terrible match. ‘nuff said. So now, the other wrestler in this tournament that people actually care about, the Undertaker, is ALSO gone in the first round! This is WCW level stupidity. Next is our first, and only, semifinal match: Savio Vega (w/ Razor Ramon) vs. The Roadie (w/ Jeff Jarrett)
Are you kidding me? Roadie vs. Savio Vega in a King of the Ring SEMIFINAL?! Wow. Anyway, Roadie runs into Jarrett on the apron and Vega rolls him up for the win. A boring match. Not terrible, but not good either. By the way, the Philly crowd started out hot for this show, but at this point the WWF has lost the crowd, as they have gotten quieter as this PPV has progressed, and were fairly dead for this one. I can’t blame them at all, after this garbage. Also, some people started an “ECW” chant. Next we have the Kiss My Foot Match: Bret Hart vs. Jerry Lawler
It’s always good to see Bret Hart and all that, but this feud has gotten out of hand. I don’t think I need to explain the idea behind this match. We’ve also had to endure a lot of bad foot jokes and some “training” videos showing how Lawler is making his feet disgusting on the weekly shows leading up to this. Anyway, Bret wins after knocking around Lawler throughout most of the match, when Hakushi’s interference backfires, then Bret has Lawler kiss his foot, per the rules of the match, really shoving his toes into Lawler’s mouth. Disgusting. Then, as promised, he made Lawler kiss HIS OWN foot, shoving Lawler’s foot into his own mouth. I have to say, I am very impressed that Lawler was flexible enough to swallow his own foot! This was a pretty good match. BY no means a great match, and certainly not one of Bret Hart’s better matches, but by the low standards of this PPV, it was pretty good, and it did wake up the crowd a little bit. You might think (and hope) that this was the blowoff for this feud, but I believe it does continue Oh well. KOTR Finals: Mabel (w/ Mo) vs. Savio Vega (w/ Razor Ramon)
Mabel wins with a front falling slam. This was terrible. One of the worst PPV matches ever. Slow, boring, and just not good at all. What a disaster. We get another “ECW” chant. Way to get the crowd to turn on you, WWF! That was about the only noise the crowd made for this match, though, as they couldn’t have cared less. Who can blame them? For our feature match, we get WWF Champion Diesel and Bam Bam Bigelow vs. Tatanka and Sycho Sid w/ Ted Dibiase
The good guys win when Sid walks out on his teammate (with fans throwing trash at him) after Diesel had pulled Tatanka up after a two count and motioned for Sid to come in, so then Diesel hitting an elbow drop on Tatanka for the pin. Terrible match with a garbage finish. And I fail to see the logic in making Sid look like a complete coward when you are grooming him for a title shot at the next PPV in a month. This makes no sense and again, I will say that it’s WCW level stupidity. Mabel and Mo get garbage thrown on them during the crowning ceremony, and Mo took waaay too long to read the proclamation. This is the worst WWF PPV I’ve seen up to this point in time. The quality of the wrestling was bad and nothing about the booking (other than Hart-Lawler) made any sense. The Michaels match, the Hart match, and maybe the Holly match were all decent to pretty good, but everything else was awful and not even close to PPV quality. The semifinal and final were truly awful. Some other general notes. I saw Vlad the superfan (as usual) and he was actually wearing a tee shirt instead of a tank top. First time I’ve seen that, I think. We get another freaking ref bump! I’m so sick of this happening at every single PPV. Also, nobody ever hooks the leg. Someone like Gorilla Monsoon might point this out on commentary, and it is rather stupid, but I read that they are instructed not to hook the leg unless it’s the actual final pinfall. This is stupid on several levels. First, it makes the wrestlers look stupid. Plus, once the fans catch on, it makes the matches more predicable, as you know this isn’t the end of the match because he’s not hooking the leg. Plus people might catch on that it’s all a work. They also kept showing the Spanish language commentators during this PPV, even doing a split screen at one point. I have no idea why. WWF is doing a lot of really stupid things around this time. I also hate the time limit draws. I am in agreement with all of that. You and I have discussed predictable tournament booking before. Gee, I wonder who’s gonna win out of IRS and Savio Vega, eh? I mean, we know the WWF aren’t gonna have IRS qualify and go on to face Yokozuna. Their aversion to heel vs. heel bouts at these tournaments is boringly predictable. So, really, IRS/Savio Vega was an utterly pointless match. The tournament was horribly booked. Shawn Michaels vs. Kama was probably the best bout (I was sure Michaels would win the tournament). It gets back to what you and I have discussed before: predictability. Well, we’re not gonna see Kama win it, they’re not gonna do Kama vs. Mabel. And in the quarterfinals, we sort of know that Undertaker is not gonna win it because they’re not gonna go with Michaels vs. Undertaker. These KOTR tournaments were just routine and unsurprising. Once the first quarterfinal bout ends, you can predict with accuracy how it’s gonna go. I mean, yes, Savio Vega was gonna beat the Roadie because they’re not gonna do Roadie vs. Mabel. I’m not saying there can’t be a bit of predictability. But I mean, the WWF knew how to do it, e.g. KOTR ‘91 had IRS vs. Berzerker, and then IRS vs. Jerry Sags in the semi-finals. 1993 gave us Bret vs. Mr Perfect, so a good babyface vs. babyface bout. I am certain every fan on the planet knew how this tournament was going once the first quarterfinal match had ended. If you ask me, Shawn winning the KOTR, by wrestling 3 strong opponents, would have been perfect, e.g. Shawn versus, say, Davey Boy Smith in the semi-finals, and then perhaps against Owen Hart in the final. This PPV was devoid of star power. Luger, Bulldog, Owen and others should have been on the card. The main event was worthless and uninteresting. As for Bret vs. Lawler, they seemed to resurrect that feud often. And kiss my foot? Really? Did Quentin Tarantino book this match? I mean, yes, I do remember Lawler doing things like walking barefoot in horse manure and making his feet as dirty as possible - and it was probably slightly amusing. But in a wrestling world where most gimmick matches are reused time and time again, I don’t think this one ever was on WWF soil again (I’m sure an independent promotion has probably done it). That even the WWF didn’t revisit the Kiss my Foot concept says it all, eh? Let’s hope that stays dead and buried, we don’t want CM Punk and Drew McIntyre, or Rhea Ripley and Liv Morgan, doing it. Hell, even Vince Russo didn’t revisit that gimmick as far as I know, and we know how immature and ridiculous he is. (Is there another gimmick that has only been used once by the WWF? There must be. Blindfold match, perhaps?) Horrible PPV. I’d love to interview the people who booked this (I know Vince always had the final say, but other people might have been in the “weeds” of the booking)
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Post by driver1980 on Aug 28, 2024 16:46:47 GMT -5
I recently watched Bash at the Beach 1995
This one is actually at a beach – Huntington Beach, California, to be precise. It’s a very cool visual, but it also means that WCW gave free admission to a PPV, which seems to be a typical WCW business decision. Thy did recoup some of it by having it sponsored by Slim Jim, hence the ugly Slim Jim ringposts. Bobby Heenan and Tony Schiavone on commentary as usual with Mean Gene Okerlund doing the interviews. First match is for the WCW United States Title Match: Sting (champ) vs. Meng (w/ Col. Parker)
Sting ducks a kick attempt and rolls up Meng for the win in a sloppy looking finish. This match was just okay. I mean, Sting versus a monster heel is guaranteed to be at least pretty decent, and that’s what this was, but it was nothing special. I’ve never really cared for Meng/Haku, though, personally. Next is the TV Title Match: The Renegade (champ) (w/ Jimmy Hart) vs. Paul Orndorff
Renegade wins with a suplex, as the ref chooses not to notice that Orndorff’s shoulder was up, though Bobby Heenan correctly points it out. This match was terrible. Several Renegade botches. What a joke that this guy is TV Champ, just because he bears a passing resemblance to the Ultimate Warrior. The crowd cheered Orndorff and booed Renegade, so that should tell you something. Next match is Kamala (w/ The Taskmaster) vs. Hacksaw Jim Duggan
Kamala wins when Zodiac sneaks in the ring and clobbers Duggan with Kamala’s mask while the ref is distracted, allowing Kamala the easy pin. This match was terrible. The only good thing is that Duggan lost. Next is Diamond Dallas Page (w/ The Diamond Doll & Max Muscle) vs. Dave Sullivan
Dave/Evad still has a crush on the Doll. They are ripping off the Randy Savage/Elizabeth/George the Animal Steele story here, except that that one was much better than this. Anyway, DDP lands the Diamond Cutter almost out of nowhere (as Sullivan had been beating on him most of the match) thanks to a distraction from Max Muscle, to get the win. Another bad match. Four matches so far and they’ve all been pretty bad. DDP vs. Evad has been the best one of the night so far also the best Dave Sullivan match I’ve seen to date but that sure isn’t saying much in either of those cases. Next is a Triangle Match for the Tag Team Titles: Harlem Heat (champs) (w/ Sister Sherri) vs. The Nasty Boys vs. The Blue Bloods
The announcer gives the Blue Bloods weight in “stones” which is a nice touch, but shouldn’t it be “stone” even in the plural? Maybe I’m wrong, I don’t know. Anyway, the rules to this are so convoluted and stupid that I don’t even feel like explaining them. A coin toss will decide which 2 teams start, but once the match is underway anybody can tag out to anybody – even someone from another tag team. As soon as somebody gets pinned, the team who got the pin is the new champ. Even though Harlem Heat are the champs, ANY of the three teams can get pinned by ANY other team and that ends the match and the pinning team is the new (or retaining) champ. I hated this match. There was some action, but I thought it was a complete mess. I think everybody was confused. Heenan professed being confused, and I don’t blame him and I expect that many fans and perhaps even the wrestlers were confused by this stupid match. Anyway, it appeared that the Nasties were the new champs as Sags was on top of Booker, who was on top of Regal, whose shoulders were on the mat for the pin. The Nasties celebrate, but it turns out that Harlem Heat actually won the match. I guess because Booker was the one directly on top of Regal? I don’t know. The end was very confusing, as was the whole match. I’m just glad that’s over. We’re 5 matches in and I haven’t liked any of them yet. Next is a Lifeguard Match: Macho Man Randy Savage vs. Ric Flair
What is a lifeguard match? Well, it’s a lumberjack match, except that you’re on the beach. It looks like Flair might steal a win as one of the “lifeguards”, Arn Anderson, sneaks in an applies a DDT to Savage. However, he kicks out at 2 and then comes back with a slam, a flying axehandle, and a flying elbow for the win. A clean win! I think this is the blowoff to this feud. It was a good match. These 2 have had better, but it was still a good match and the best of this PPV. Oh, and I have more gripes about WCW’s stupid over the top rope DQ rule. Savage suplexes Flair over the top rope onto the ground and there’s no DQ?! Heenan rightly asks why not and Schiavone says because he wasn’t intentionally tossed outside the ring. WTF? How do you sleep at night, Schiavone? Also, later on, Savage backdrops Flair over the top rope onto the floor. I fail to see the difference between that and throwing the guy out, but whatever. WCW just likes to come up with stupid rules then ignore them. We get a Hogan promo, and it's gotten to the point where I think Hogan's promos are so annoying (and nonsensical, and long, and too many Harley references) that I am tempted to fast forward past them. I resisted, though. Now we get a Cage Match for the WCW Title: Hulk Hogan (champ) (w/ Jimmy Hart & Dennis Rodman) vs. Vader
You can win by pinfall, submission, or getting out of the cage and on the ground before your opponent. Hogan wins when both guys are at the top of the cage and Hogan knocks Vader off and climbs out for the win. What a surprise. It was a decent match, though nothing special. Your typical Hogan match. After the match, Ric Flair and Arn Anderson come in and berate Vader for losing, then take off. Vader turns to the camera and challenges both of them to a handicap match. That sets up one of the matches for our next Clash of Champions. All in all, a bad PPV. It looked cool having this wrestling ring on the beach, but all but the last 2 matches were awful. Awful PPV, what more can one say? It was also the last WCW PPV to take place before the Monday Night Wars started. (We can’t really count Collision in Korea, can we?) I am in agreement with all of your views here (eerie, eh, are you and I brothers?). Savage/Flair is probably the best bout out of all of them. The stupid lack of logic and rules contradictions just add to the silliness. When I first watched this, I felt sorry for the wrestlers wrestling in such heat. Blimey, I’m tired after simply sitting on a beach. Hogan/Vader wasn’t really compelling. Hogan should have done the job to Vader (or Flair) at least one in 1994/95. Hell, even yours truly, a Hulkamaniac, was getting a little tired of his superhuman gimmick at the time, and it was more noticeable given WCW’s more frequent PPVs; when Hogan made sporadic world title defences during the WWF Era, I didn’t really get tired of him, but by the time of Bash at the Beach ‘95, Hogan had made six PPV appearances: he won the WCW World Championship in his first, successfully defended it at his second, successfully defended it at his third, successfully defended it at his fourth, pulled Ric Flair by a strap to “beat” Vader at his fifth, and wrestled a tag team match in his sixth. And that’s before we count Clash of the Champions events. It was getting old and boring. Like I said, even I was getting bored, and I grew up with Hulkamania. When no-one even has a chance of dethroning him, it’s boring. It might have worked for a while from 1984-88, but when I first saw this on videotape, I thought something like, ‘No-one’s beating him yet and it’s getting boring.’ If you’re not aware already, wait until you see how he does lose the belt. I know I might sound really harsh here, but unbeatable gets boring after a while (as it did with Goldberg). I think a Hogan pinfall loss to Flair, or Vader, would have given us a “chase the heel” scenario in late 1994 or throughout 1995. I think he only got selfish as time went on, when he did lose, there were usually extenuating circumstances, or he’d do the job in a non-title match. Someone out there, please write the definitive book on Hogan’s selfishness. On a final note, I am pretty sure it should be “stone” even when plural. But don’t quote me on that!
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Post by Batflunkie on Aug 28, 2024 20:33:42 GMT -5
Until today, I hadn’t heard of this: Seems a bit of an odd choice to create an entirely new game instead of just licensing the TCG "RAW Deal" (which incidentally came out around the same time as "With Authority"). Certainly could have helped improve it's longevity
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Post by driver1980 on Aug 29, 2024 3:41:10 GMT -5
Thirty years ago today, SummerSlam ‘94 aired on PPV. We discussed it recently, but it gives me an excuse to share this picture: And a report from WWF Magazine:
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Post by driver1980 on Aug 29, 2024 4:51:23 GMT -5
In the latest issue of Inside the Ropes, Brian R. Solomon has listed his top 40 high flyers of the last 100 years. Here’s the list:
Gus Sonnenberg Antonino Rocca Ricki Starr Edouard Carpenter Ray Stevens Mil Mascaras Super Astro Jimmy Snuka Jim Brunzell The Cobra Mark ‘Rollerball’ Rocco Lanny Poffo The Dynamite Kid Tiger Mask Bobby Eaton Manami Toyota Shawn Michaels Bam Bam Bigelow The Great Muta Jushin ‘Thunder’ Liger Owen Hart Brian Pillman Sean Waltman Sabu 2 Cold Scorpio Hayabusa Eddie Guerrero The Great Sasuke Rey Mysterio Psicosis Ultimo Dragon Super Crazy Rob Van Dam Juventud Guerrera Billy Kidman Jeff Hardy Amazing Red AJ Styles Mistico Ricochet
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Post by commond on Aug 29, 2024 5:28:12 GMT -5
Odd list. Pretty liberal use of the term high flyer. Le Petit Prince ought to be on the list.
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