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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 6, 2024 17:19:03 GMT -5
Kevin Sullivan has definitely had some health issues. On May 12, he was hospitalized, after a fall and treated for sepsis and was in ICU for quite a while. There is a GoFundMe page up to help the family with the medical bills, as the length of his stay pretty much exhausted his insurance coverage. Lot of the boys have been contributing. He definitely looked thin and had a tremor in his hand, in the first episode of Who Killed WCW?, which would have been taped before all that occurred.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jul 7, 2024 8:00:35 GMT -5
I recently watched WCW Clash of Champions 30 from January 1995. This is from Caesar’s Palace in Las Vegas, NV.
We’re well into the Hulk Hogan era now. Let’s see how this goes. Flair, still “permanently” retired, is in attendance. The commish has decreed that Vader can’t be I the same building as Hogan until their Superbrawl match, yet he’s bought 2 ringside tickets. We’d assume Harley Race will be in the other seat but it’s empty to start.
Heenan and Schiavone on commentary with Okerlund handling the interviews.
The first match is for the TV Title: Arn Anderson (champ, w. Col. Parker & Meng) vs. Johnny B. Badd
This match was voted on by the fans. Again we get stupidity and inconsistency with the top rope rule. You can’t toss a guy over the top rope but you can drop kick him off when he’s standing on the top turnbuckle. I know it’s not quite the same thing in this case but the latter is more dangerous. Arn gets knocked out of the ring and Parker drops cold water on him (out of sight of the ref) and helps him back into the ring (out of sight of the ref). The way they booked this, making it look like it was a clever bit of cheating on Parker’s part to illegally help Anderson back in the ring, you’d think this match had special rules where you can lose the title via countout, but that wasn’t the case here. It would have been fine for Anderson & Parker if he’d have gotten counted out, as he’d still retain the title, but they seemed to ignore that in the booking of this match. Badd comes back I the ring after chasing Parker and gets DDT’d by Anderson, so Anderson wins. Other than that oddness, I thought that this was a decent match.
Next match is Alex Wright vs. Bobby Eaton
Wright shrugs off an Alabama Slam, then quickly comes back with a suplex and cross body for the pin. This was a pretty good match, except that Wright had some arm bars for way too long. He’s got talent, but sometimes slows things down too much.
Next match is for the Tag Team Titles: Harlem Heat w. Sister Sherri (champs) vs. Stars and Stripes Harlem Heat have a new look here (purple), and frankly, their old look (with the red & black) was much better. Sherri takes her shoe off but accidentally hits Booker by mistake. Bagwell rolls him up for two but Stevie kicks Marcus in the face to give Booker the pin to retain. Another decent match. I think all three matches have been pretty good, though not great or anything.
Next is Sting vs. Avalanche
Guardian Angel is the special referee for this match. After 4 straight Stinger splashes, Sting gets Avalanche in his Scorpion Deathlock. Guardian for some reason refuses to end the match, even though it appears that Avalanche is giving up, so veteran official Nick Patrick comes in and ends the match in favor of Sting. Angel then shoves Nick Patrick down, and gets into a tussel with Sting before leaving. Okerlund interviews him as he’s walking to the back, and Angel says he is once again Big Bubba Rogers! We’ve got a heel turn, folks! Frankly, this was the most interesting part of this match, as the match itself was lousy. Sting is great against big men, but it just wasn’t happening against Avalanche in 1995.
The main event is Hulk Hogan/Randy Savage w/Jimmy Hart v Kevin Sullivan/The Butcher
Randy Savage doesn’t hate Hogan at this point in time, so things are good. Of course, Hogan (oh yeah, and Savage) win with the Hogan leg drop. Awful match. And of course Hogan gets the pin. Butcher got Hogan in his sleeper and Hogan slumped to the mat. Butcher walked around as if he had won, and didn’t bother to pin Hogan, even after the ref told him the match wasn’t over. So of course Hogan was able to recover and get up. That just made Butcher look too stupid. There was also a spot where Hogan was laying apparently out cold on the mat, and Savage revived him – by elbow dropping him off the top rope! So all Savage’s finisher does to Hogan is wake him up??? I don’t think I need to explain all the ways that is a terrible idea. At one point the heels banged Savage’s head into the ring post outside the ring, which should have been an automatic DQ according to WCW’s rules (unless they’ve gotten rid of that rule and I didn’t notice) but why pay attention to rules now? Also, after the match, Vader comes in and give Hogan his finisher. And Hogan pos up from that!!! So why would I want to pay to see their Superbrawl match in 4 weeks???
So the first three matches here were pretty good, and the last two matches were awful. It would help of Hogan lost on occasion. Right now, he never seems to be in any danger of losing and things are predicable and repetitive.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jul 7, 2024 8:28:41 GMT -5
I recently watched Royal Rumble 1995 from the USF Sun Dome in Tampa, Florida. Funny, I thought USF was in Miami. Anyway…
Vince McMahon and Jerry Lawler on commentary with Todd Pettengill doing the interviews. Pamela Anderson is our celebrity of note. She will be in attendance and will also escort the Rumble winner to the ring for his Wrestlemania match. I think this is the first Royal Rumble being shown live in the UK. It must have started at about 1AM there, so kudos to any Brits who stayed up to watch this live!
Opening match is for the WWF Intercontinental Title. Razor Ramon (champ) Vs Double J Jeff Jarrett w/ The Roadie During the match, Razor Ramon is knocked out of the ring and appears to tweak his knee. Unseen by the ref, the Roadie then clips him from behind, further injuring the knee, and Razor is unable to beat the count and get back into the ring. He is thus counted out. Jarrett (that’s Double J to you) wins by countout after about 12 minutes but doesn’t get the title. However, the Roadie hands him a mic, and as Ramon is heading back to the locker room, Jarrett starts trash talking him and calling him a coward for not coming back and finishing the match. This goads Ramon into coming, or rather limping, back into the ring, and he tells the ref to restart the match. After about an additional six and a half minutes of wrestling, Razor set up for the Razor’s Edge, but then his knee collapsed and Jarrett capitalized with an inside cradle for the pinfall win. I thought this was a great match, with very good storytelling and psychology, and Razor did a great job of selling the knee injury. I thought Jarrett winning the title was a huge upset, and the crowd fell into a stunned silence.
Pettengill interviews both Diesel and Bret (separately) and they are both too tense to say much to him. Good job of selling the importance of this.
Next match is The Undertaker (w/Paul Bearer) vs. Irwin R. Schyster (w/Ted Dibiase)
Ugh. Undertaker gets the win with a chokeslam (not a Tombstone!) after about 12 minutes. This was a mediocre match.
Next match is for the WWF Championship: Diesel (champ) vs. Bret Hart
This is a rare face vs. face match, though Bret has been acting a bit heelish in promos lately and frankly, acts very heeling in this match. Bret Hart has new music, and frankly, his old music (which goes back to the Hart Foundation days) was much, much better. I have no idea why they felt the need to give him new music. I have noticed that, since Jimmy Hart left the company, the entrance music has gone downhill sharply and in most cases, the newer wrestlers aren’t even getting proper music, but rather just sound effects, like a truck’s horn, or an animal’s bellow. Diesel also gets new entrance music. It’s okay, I guess. It sounds like it came from a honky tonk hole-in-the-wall bar, frankly. On to the match, I thought that this was a great match. Excellent psychology and storytelling. Bret got the figure four on Diesel (after working the knee throughout most of the match) on Diesel a bunch of times, but could never get the submission. No doubt because that’s not his finisher. Anyway, the ref seemed to think this was a no DQ match. There could have been a DQ about a half dozen time, such as whe Bret ties Diesel’s legs together with his wrist wraps,, when Bret hit Diesel’s leg with a chair, when Shawn Michaels came in and interfered, and when Owen Hart came in and interfered. We also get the dreaded ref bump, though it didn’t really play much of a role. After 27 plus minutes, the ref is finally forced to stop the match when no less than 4 wrestlers come in and interfere and there’s no way he can restore order at that point. The match is declared a draw. Great match with a stupid ending – just like WCW! While I loved the match, I absolutely hated the finish. It makes no sense to have the ref ignore all of those other cases of outside interference and refuse to DQ either guy even when it warranted it, in a heroic effort to give us a clean finish, then have a double DQ finish after all. What a waste.
For the Vacant WWF Tag Team Championships: Bob “Spark Plugg” Holly and 1-2-3 Kid vs. Bam Bam Bigelow and Tatanka (w/Ted Dibiase)
When Shawn Michaels effectively broke up the championship tag team of himself and Diesel by throwing his belt in the garbage, the Tag Team title became vacant and they held an 8 team tournament to determine the new champs. The Smoking Gunns (who were my pre-tournament favorites to win the thing) had to pull out at almost literally the last minute due to a kayfabe rodeo injury to one of the Gunns, and they were replaced I the tournament by the makeshift team of the 1-2-3 Kid and Bob Holly. I really like this replacement team, actually, though I’d rather have had them face the Heavenly Bodies (who I think are by far the best in-ring heel WWF tag team ad this point) in the finals rather than Bam Bam and Tatanka, but oh well. Also, the winner is supposed to face the Smoking Gunns (now fully healthy) in a title match on Monday Night Raw the night after this PPV. They list the combined weight of Kid and holly as 344 lbs. I’m pretty sure that’s a typo. The crowd was quiet for much of this match, I think maybe because they’re still recovering from the previous match. In the end, Kid is laying prostrate on the mat, so Bigelow (who is the legal man) goes to the top rope for a finishing moonsault. However, Tatanka for some reason decides to do an elbow drop on Kid, and he bumps into Bigelow, who winds up falling and knockling himself out. This allows Kid to roll over and lay his arm on Bigelow for the pin and the upset win. Personally, I thought that Tatanka looked like a moron for trying to finish off Kid when he (Tatanka) wasn’t the legal man, and he also looked like a klutz for bumping into Tatanka. However, the announcers made no mention of this, making it sound like it was Bigelow’s fault – and for that matter, none of the online reviews of this I looked at called Tatanka to task for his stupidity and clumsiness. Anyway, DiBiase and Tatanka leave without Bigelow. Bigelow eventually revives to find people mocking him, and Lawrence Taylor, who is sitting in the front row, is laughing at him. Bigelow has words with LT and then pushes him down and walks away. Hey, we’ve got our Wrestlemania XI main event all set. Sigh. Anyway, aside from that, I thought this was a very good match. Kid, Bigelow, and Holly all looked good and Tatanka was good enough. This was a big surprise not only because of the size difference but also because we knew the winner would face the Smoking Gunns on Raw the next night, so you’d expect the heel team to win here to face them.
Next we get to the actual Rumble match. For the first time, we’ve only got one minute breaks between the entrants. Shawn Michaels draws #1 (no way he’ll win!) and British Bulldog draws #2, so those two guys start the match. At one point, Bulldog picks up Michaels and holds him over his head. Rather than simply throw him out of the ring, he throws him right down on the mat, which makes him look rather stupid. Duke “the Dumpster” Droese also had Michaels up on his shoulder and didn’t throw him out, so he looked pretty dumb too. Owen was attacked by Bret as he tried to enter the ring, and the beating continued until the next entrant was called. Owen apparently did get in, but got eliminated so quickly that the camera never even showed him in the ring! However, a few minutes later they did show on a replay Davey Boy Smith eliminating Owen. Luger got a surprisingly good pop when he entered. Not a lot of hot rivalries at this rumble. Certainly nothing like when Flair and Piper were going at it that one year. Bret also attached Bob Backlund when he tried to enter the ring. They’re selling here that Bret has basically snapped. Could a heel turn be coming? The Smoking Gunns looked like morons trying to eliminate each other (when there were about 8 other guys in the ring they could have gone after instead of going after each other) and both got eliminated together by one guy. Shawn had a lot of near eliminations here! At the end, we’re left with Shawn Michaels and Davey Boy Smith! It was kinda cool seeing the two guys who started the rumble also finish it, though I wouldn’t want that every year. We get another controversial finish as Michaels is apparently eliminated, and they play Davey Boy’s music, and he stands on the turnbuckles to celebrate – then Michaels comes from behind and knocks him out! It turns out that Michaels wasn’t eliminated, as only one of his feet hit the floor. However, it made WWF look kind of dumb for playing his music prematurely without a signal from the ref, and it also seemed very unfair to Davey Boy. Anyway, they showed a really nice replay and you can see that Michaels hangs on for dear life and indeed only one foot ever hits the ground. Good call by the refs, but bad call by whoever started Bulldog’s music.
Pamela Anderson now enters the ring, as she will escort the Royal Rumble winner to Wrestlemania. I’ll be she’s glad that Mantour didn’t win!!! Still, she does not look thrilled to be here. I would say she’s just picking up the paycheck and getting out of Dodge.
All in all, I felt the only real stinker here was the Undertaker/IRS match. All the other singles & doubles matches I thought were excellent. The rumble itself was okay. It wasn’t great, as having only one minute between entrants was probably a mistake (I think this was the only year they did this, so I guess somebody else agreed with me) but on the other hand, the shorter rumble match did allow the other matches to go longer, so that may be why most of them were so good. They also didn’t have people doing double duty with regular matches as well as the Rumble match, like they did last year. Overall, I thought that this was a pretty good rumble, as 3 of the 4 non-rumble matches were excellent.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jul 11, 2024 15:17:12 GMT -5
I recently watched Superbrawl 1995, from Baltimore, MD.
Bobby Heenan and Tony Schiavone with Gene Okerlund. Heenan sounds drunk to me, by the way. I guess he’s reached the “I don’t give a s**t” phase of his WCW tenure.
We see footage of Vader rampaging around, looking for Hogan. I don’t know why he can’t just wait for their match in a couple of hours, but whatever.
First match is Alex Wright vs. Paul Roma Apparently, Roma took exception to jobbing to Wright (because he’s better than that, you know) so he decided to no-sell everything. He was fired after this for his unprofessional behavior. In spite of that, I thought Wright did a good job with what he was given (though again too many rest holds) and this was an okay match. Anyway, Wright wins with a dropkick and a rollup, though Roma apparently kicked out at 2 and then complained to the ref. They didn’t show a replay of the finish like they usually do (take note of that, WWF) since the end was a bit of a mess thanks to Roma.
Next match is acksaw Jim Duggan vs. Bunkhouse Buck (w/ Col. Parker & Meng) Ugh. Obviously Duggan wins this, in case you cared. This match was boring. I think it could have been a halfway decent brawl, but it lasted way too long at 12 minutes. Cut that in half and you might have something.
We get an Okerlund interview with the Nasty Boys as they are ready for their match with Harlem Heam. Pretty standard promo.
Okerlund also interviewed Harlem Heat and accidentally called Stevie Ray Booker T. Whoops!
Next match is Kevin Sullivan (w/ The Butcher) vs. Dave Sullivan Ugh. Kevin wins the match (as if I care) be knocking Dave’s head into Butcher’s face (as he was standing on the apron) then rolling Dave/Evad (he has Evad on his trunks, sigh) up for the pin and the win. After the match, Butcher is laying there, screaming in pain. Kevin initially is walking back with him, then just abandons Butcher hallway down the aisle as Butchers collapsed in pain and Kevin doesn’t care. This seems to be signaling a split. The match was terrible. Butcher did do a good job of selling the injury to his surgically reconstructed face, but that’s all this match had. I would definitely recommend fast forwarding past this one.
Next match is the Tag Team Title Match: Harlem Heat (champs) (w/ Sister Sherri) vs. The Nasty Boys Luckily Harlem Heat have their old look (black leather with yellow & red flames) back for this one. It appears that the Nasty Boys have retaken the titles when Sherri accidentally knocks out Stevie Ray and Knobbs rolls him up…however, another ref comes in an informs the match ref that Sags threw Booker T over the top rope a minute earlier, resulting in a retroactive DQ for the Nasty Boys. Sorry, but I HATE the Dusty Finish!! Aside from that, this match, at over 17 minutes, was just too long. Cut it in half and you’d have something. Why does WCW keep booking the Nasty Boys in these long matches??
Next match is Blacktop Bully w/Colonel Parker/Meng v Dustin Rhodes Blacktop Bully is Smash from Demolition, or Repo Man, if you prefer, and he’d portrayed a jerk of a fan who got too involved in the matches. Dustin continues his feud with Col. Parker’s Studd Stable. The ref sends Meng back to the locker room, much to the heels’ disgust. Ultimately, Bully wins (after about 17 minutes!) when Rhodes tries to suplex him back into the ring off the apron, and Col. Parker grabs Dustin’s leg, tripping him, and holds on. The easy pin for Bully at that point. Yet another match that was boring and went on way too long.
We’ve had 5 matches so far and none of them have been good. Hopefully the next guys up, with some actual charisma, can change that.
Next match is Avalanche and Big Bubba Rogers vs. “Macho Man” Randy Savage and Sting After about 10 minutes (I think this was the shortest match of the nitgh! WTF?) of decent action, Savage comes off the top rope with an elbow to pin Rogers. However, the ref points out that Rogers isn’t the legal man – Avalanche is. So Sting nails a diving shoulder block on Avalanche and gets the pin and the win. The problem is, STING WASN’T THE LEGAL MAN EITHER! Does something stupid like this have to happen with every WCW tag team match?? Just annoying.
Okerlund interviews Vader, who’s still raging. Also, Harley Race is apparently not there because he was badly injured in a car accident, but they only mention that he’s not there and don’t say why.
Okerlund also interviews Hulk Hogan (with Jimmy Hart standing silently in the background, as everybody does when Hogan is around) and Hogan says “brother” about every third word. It is so distracting that I’m having trouble even paying attention to what he’s saying. Really, really annoying. I know he used to say “brother’ a lot in the WWF, but I don’t remember it being this bad.
And your main event is for the WCW World Heavyweight Championship: Hulk Hogan (champ) w/ Jimmy Hart vs. Vader Gee, I wonder who’s going to win this. At one point in this match, Hogan hits Vader WITH A CHAIR outside the ring and the ref does not DQ Hogan. Doesn’t even say anything. Nor do the announcers. At one point after some dirty tactics by Hogan, Tony says “I’ve never seen Hulk Hogan like this.” Stop lying Tony, he’s like this ALL THE TIME. In fact, I’m pretty sure you said that exact same thing at the last PPV. No wonder Heenan hates this guy. Towards the end of the match, Vader kicked out of Hogan’s leg drop! After a one count! Amazing. And Hogan had the gall to complain to the ref? What are you whining for Hogan? He kicked out cleanly after one, not a long two! Give me a break. What a baby Hogan is. Even though I knew Hogan would win, I was still pulling hard for Vader. Hogan claims that he wanted to let Vader win this match. You have to take that with a grain of salt, since it’s coming from Hogan, but that would have been a much better long term plan than this. Oh, and this match has yet ANOTHER ref bump! I’m really getting sick of those in WCW events. This match ends in a DQ win for Hogan when Ric Flair charges in and attacks Hogan. Flair and Vader then team up to beat down Hogan until Savage and Sting rush in for the save. After the match, as they’re walking back to the dressing room, Vader high fives Flair. Considering that Flair just cost him the match, that doesn’t make any sense. In spite of all my complaining, this was a pretty good match – except for the terrible ending.
So all in all, the first 5 matches are bad, and the last 2 matches are good. Not great, mind you, but certainly good and entertaining. So, 2 out of 7 is a pretty good batting average in baseball, but not very good for a wrestling PPV, so this event gets a thumbs down from me.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 11, 2024 16:17:48 GMT -5
I recently watched Superbrawl 1995, from Baltimore, MD. Bobby Heenan and Tony Schiavone with Gene Okerlund. Heenan sounds drunk to me, by the way. I guess he’s reached the “I don’t give a s**t” phase of his WCW tenure. We see footage of Vader rampaging around, looking for Hogan. I don’t know why he can’t just wait for their match in a couple of hours, but whatever. First match is Alex Wright vs. Paul Roma Apparently, Roma took exception to jobbing to Wright (because he’s better than that, you know) so he decided to no-sell everything. He was fired after this for his unprofessional behavior. In spite of that, I thought Wright did a good job with what he was given (though again too many rest holds) and this was an okay match. Anyway, Wright wins with a dropkick and a rollup, though Roma apparently kicked out at 2 and then complained to the ref. They didn’t show a replay of the finish like they usually do (take note of that, WWF) since the end was a bit of a mess thanks to Roma. ............. Next match is Blacktop Bully w/Colonel Parker/Meng v Dustin Rhodes Blacktop Bully is Smash from Demolition, or Repo Man, if you prefer, and he’d portrayed a jerk of a fan who got too involved in the matches. Dustin continues his feud with Col. Parker’s Studd Stable. The ref sends Meng back to the locker room, much to the heels’ disgust. Ultimately, Bully wins (after about 17 minutes!) when Rhodes tries to suplex him back into the ring off the apron, and Col. Parker grabs Dustin’s leg, tripping him, and holds on. The easy pin for Bully at that point. Yet another match that was boring and went on way too long. .......... I think you mean Krusher Kruschev! Here are Alex Wright's comments on the match..... (Wright goes into shadow, at one point, due to leaning out of camera range and the back lighting overwhelming the camera...this happened multiple times, in the interview) Basically, Wright was 19 and a rookie and his father taught him to follow the lead of the veteran. Roma was ticked off at the office and basically took it out on the match. Wright didn't try to fix the situation because of his training; but, was told afterwards that if some starts taking advantage of him to fight back and force them to work with him. Steve Wright was a shooter and I have to think he taught Alex enough to defend himself; so, if he had chosen to fight Roma, then Roma would have not pulled the crap that he did.
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Post by dbutler69 on Jul 15, 2024 14:35:50 GMT -5
I recently watched WCW Uncensored 1995. The idea behind this first time PPV is that it’s been arranged for scores and feuds to be settled once and for all, so it’s “uncensored” and also unsanctioned by WCW, meaning that no championships are on the line (except for the tag team belt, for some reason) and “anything goes”.
Also, every single match is a gimmick match (see below), and I hate gimmick matches, so I seriously considered skipping this but finally decided to tough it out.
Here is the scheduled card:
1. King of the Road Match: Blacktop Bully vs. Dustin Rhodes. 2. Martial Arts Match: Meng vs. Hacksaw Jim Duggan. 3. Boxer vs. Wrestler: Johnny B. Badd vs. Arn Anderson. 4. No Disqualification Match: Macho Man Randy Savage vs. Avalanche. 5. Anything Goes Match: Sting vs. Big Bubba Rogers. 6. Texas Tornado, Falls Count Anywhere Match for the WCW World Tag Team Championship: The Nasty Boys vs. Harlem Heat (c). 7. Indian Strap Match: Vader vs. Hulk Hogan.
This takes place in Tupelo, Mississippi and your hosts are Bobby Heenan and Tony Schiavone. For some reason Mike Tenay from thew WCW Hotline is replacing Gene Okerlund on interviews and I will tell you that I wind up missing Mean Gene pretty soon into this show.
Hogan has a new man in his corner named Renegade, who is an Ultimate Warrior rip-off. Supposedly they tried to get the real thing but he asked for way too much money. Nobody ever accused Warrior of thinking too little of himself.
WCW suspended Ric Flair?! How can they do that? He’s retired! Good ol’ WCW.
First match is the King of the Road Match: Blacktop Bully vs. Dustin Rhodes
The idea here is that these two guys are in an 18 wheeler flatbed truck (with a wire fence perimeter) full of bales of hay, with the truck going down the highway during the whole match, and the first one to climb the fence and ring the horn at the front of the truck is the winner. Who says WCW is a hick outfit? Anyway, while this certainly looks quite dangerous, and is an interesting visual with the two guys fighting and trying to climb the truck with camera trucks and helicoptors following along, I actually found the action difficult to follow, and I found it so boring that I fast forwarded through large chunks of it. Oh, and Blacktop Bully won, in case anybody cares. This match was joined in progress and apparently filmed the day before and edited to fit into the PPV.
Oh, apparently Jimmy Hart (Hogan’s manager) is missing and nobody seems to know where he is.
Next is the Martial Arts Match: Meng vs. Hacksaw Jim Duggan
This was another boring match. Meng wins it with a superkick. Some cheating during the match from Col. Parker but this is uncensored so there shouldn’t be any DQ’s during this PPV. We’ll see how that plays out.
Next is the Boxer vs. Wrestler Match: Johnny B. Badd vs. Arn Anderson Okay, this match was actually pretty good. It was a well done boxer vs. wrestler match, We get 3 minute rounds (up to 10 rounds) with rest periods, just like a boxing match. Badd wins when he removed a boxing glove and hit Anderson with his left hook for the KO in the 4th round. Again, plenty of cheating in this one with Anderson attacking Badd during the rest periods.
No Disqualification Match: Macho Man Randy Savage vs. Avalanche
This is a No Disqualification match. Guess what, Randy Savage wins – BY DISQUALIFICATION!! Only WCW would do something this stupid. Anyway, the match ends when Savage is attacked by a woman from the crowd, and the woman is revealed to be – Ric Flair in drag!! Yup. Chaos ensures and the ref decides to end the match. The match itself was okay, Nothing great, but at least a legit match. Savage looked good, anyway.
Next is an Anything Goes Match: Sting vs. Big Bubba Rogers
Sting dominated the first several minutes of the match, but suffers a knee injury during the match, and Rogers wisely goes to work on that bad knee. The match ends when Sting picks up Rogers in an attempt to slam him, but can’t keep him up, so Rogers falls on top of him and stays on top for the pin. That doesn’t make Sting look too smart to try that with his bad knee (though he’d already done several other power moves like that on the bad knee) but I thought that this was a pretty good match. Probably the best match of the night so far. Poor Sting, though. How the mighty have fallen…down the card.
Next match is the Texas Tornado, Falls Count Anywhere Match for the WCW World Tag Team Championship: The Nasty Boys vs. Harlem Heat (champs).
Harlem Heat trick the Nasties by sneaking in from behind before the match starts and attacking them while Sherri provides the distraction.
I thought this match was very boring, especially once they moved the fight to the concession stands. The floor got slippery and the match slowed to a crawl. The camera didn’t even show the pin live, as it was on Sags and Stevie, so we’re watching them and the bell mysteriously rings. It turns out that Knobbs had pinned Booker, I guess. I can’t believe a title changed hands on this absolute mess of a “match”. Once they got to the concession stand, the match resembled a blooper scene from Animal House. What garbage.
We get Mike Tenay interviewing Vader, then Ric Flair joins them for the promo. He’s still got the mascara and red nail polish from his disguise. Quite a sight. They are selling the idea that Flair has snapped.
Still no sign of Jimmy Hart, by the way.
And the main event is Indian Strap Match: Vader vs. Hulk Hogan.
I’m not sure why the WCW Championship isn’t on the line here, but it’s not. Hogan comes out alone. No Jimmy Hart and no Renegade. Vader comes out with Ric Flair. Michael Buffer screws up (for not the first time) by saying that this fight is sanctioned by WCW.
The match starts, and Flair threatens to interfere (as this is “uncensored” so anything goes) but OUT COMES RENEGADE! He runs off Flair temporarily. Eventually during this boring match, Jimmy Hart comes out. His clothes are torn, he is disheveled, and he’s got tape around his wrists and ankles, as he’s obviously been tied up out back. He comes out to cheer on the Hulkster. At one point, the mysterious masked man (who was Arn Anderson, who had previously done Ric Flair’s evil deeds against Hogan) and breaks a wooden chair over the Renegade’s head. Man, what a total Ultimate Warrior ripoff this Renegade is. Anyway, at some point Vader loses hold of the leather strap joining the two men, and Flair gets is, and Hogan wins the match – BY DRAGGING RIC FLAIR TO ALL 4 RING POSTS!!! Wait a minute, this was a match between Hulk Hogan and Vader, not Hogan and Ric Flair! How the hell does he win the match by pinning someone nor technically a part of the match. Typical WCW stupidity. In fact, this is pretty dumb, even for WCW. The heels try to cheap shot the faces, and with the masked man, they figure they have the numbers advantage. But wait! The masked man takes off his mask, and it’s really Randy Savage! Savage and Hogan hug, and we see Arn Anderson, still with arms and legs taped up, hopping down the aisle. Then we get the good guys chase off the bad guys and 5 minutes of Hogan posing, just like every other Hulk Hogan match.
Bad, boring, nonsensical match. Some moments of drama, but not NEARLY enough to save it. The worst Vader match I’ve seen to this point and it’s not his fault at all.
Overall, this might be the worst PPV I’ve seen. If not, it’s pretty darn close.
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 15, 2024 20:41:30 GMT -5
How in the world is kidnapping Jimmy Hart supposed to hinder his guy, in a match? I mean, sure, he can't pass them the baby powder or ether-soaked rag; but, Hogan didn't use that stuff.
Renegade was Richard Wilson, a local Georgia wrestler, who trained at Killer Kowalski's school and worked for George Scott and John Ringley's NAWA, in North Carolina. He did a Tarzan gimmick (Rio, Lord of the Jungle) for Kowalski's IWF and worked for Tenryu's WAR promotion, in Japan. he had a tryout match with the WWF, before being signed by WCW, for the Renegade gimmick, because he looked vaguely like Hellwig. I believe there were legal threats from Warrior, if they didn't make it clear that Wilson was not him, because they were heavily implying it, at first. He got a mild push and the tv title, but mostly became a Jobber to the Stars. He was actually used as a stunt double for Warrior, in the WWF.
WCW released him and he went through severe financial problems and depression and then shot himself, in an argument with his girlfriend, in 1999. He died of his wounds.
It definitely wasn't his fault for the way he was used; but, does demonstrate how lower echelon wrestlers were treated, by WCW and the WWE, compared to the territorial days (and promoters treated wrestlers like property, then).
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Post by dbutler69 on Jul 16, 2024 15:32:16 GMT -5
Oh, and at this point (early 1995), Hogan's been with WCW only a few months and the top two heels in the business - Ric Flair and Vader - have already jobbed to him multiple times. Why on earth would I bother watching anything at this point? There's clearly no way Hogan is ever going to lose. Pretty predictable and boring. Hogan claims he wanted to lose to Vader then have to regain the belt and WCW nixed it, but knowing Hogan and his huge ego and knack for being less than truthful, I highly doubt that, thought it would have been a MUICH better long term plan for WCW.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 20, 2024 21:50:05 GMT -5
Found out about this earlier today
In the late 80's there was a show called "Pro Wrestling This Week" that was basically a highlight show of various promotions from across the globe (kind of like ESPN's Sportscenter)
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 21, 2024 19:48:08 GMT -5
Found out about this earlier today In the late 80's there was a show called "Pro Wrestling This Week" that was basically a highlight show of various promotions from across the globe (kind of like ESPN's Sportscenter) I can fill you in on some background for that. Joe Pedicino was a fan from the Atlanta area, since childhood and had worked in tv and radio all his adult life. He was working for WATL Atlanta tv station and convinced them to put on a 6 hour block of wrestling programming, on Saturday nights, called Superstars of Wrestling. He acted as host, in wraparound segments, and they broadcast various wrestling promotions and their tv shows, including Crockett, Continental, Memphis, Portland, Kansas City, the AWA, Puerto Rico, Dallas, the UWF and the WWF. Pedicino originally started as a solo host, then they decided to pair him up with a co-host and Boni Blackstone, a cute, petite blond woman, who had kind of a sarcastic give-and-take with Pedicino, got the job and they hosted it through the run at WATL and when it changed station. It started in 1986 and ran until 1992 and usually featured local Georgia independents, as part of the programming, including Jerry Blackwell's Southern Championship Wrestlin and Georgia All-Star Wrestling, as well as Jody Hamilton's (the masked Assassin) Deep South Wrestling. They did special wrestling fundraisers for local causes, including bullet-proof vests for the Atlanta police, during the period I was going to school in Athens, GA, in 1988. As part of the block, they had a side show, Pro Wrestling This Week, hosted by Pedicino and Gordon Solie, who was announcing Continental and Florida, at that point, and working with Crockett, doing interviews and special projects. They showed matches from various promotions and shared news of title changes and angles, as well as matches from Japan, Canada and Puerto Rico. Later, Gordon Solie left the program and Paul E Dangerously (Paul Heyman) joined Pedicino). The Superstars of Wrestling show was syndicated, but Pro Wrestling This Week, as a solo piece, had a wider syndication. We got it via a Peoria station, which carried Dick the Bruiser's WWA All-Star Wrestling tv show, on Sunday afternoons. I recall the switch over from Gordon to Heyman, as they did some angle about control of the show and Solie walked off in disgust, leaving Pedicino to deal with Heyman's arrogant mouth. Pro Wrestling Illustrated's Bill Apter had a regular segment on there and it was a great showcase of territorial wrestling, in its dying days. Pedicino and Boni Blackstone actually started secretly dating and then married and it became well known that they were a couple. Pedicino also worked for both WCW and the WWF, while Boni did some interview segments for the WWF, while Joe was there. Joe was later involved in the start up of the Global Wrestling Federation, on ESPN and was financing part of it, after they were swindled by their bogus Nigerian money mark. Pedicino and Blackstone were also involved in the short-lived Ladies Pro Wrestling Association, which featured Terri Poch, aka Terry Power, aka the WWF's Tori, as well as Reggie Bennett Sue Sexton, Sheri Martel, Debbie Malenko, Ayako Hamada, AKINO, and Chaparita Asari (the latter three of ARSION and Malenko was with All-Japan Women), as well as Georgia All-Star Wrestling, where he gave announcer Scott Hudson his break, leading to him working for WCW, during the Monday Night Wars Era. Pedicino suffered a debilitating stroke sometime in 2019 and then passed away in 2020. Here's a little music video of Joe & Bonnie, with cameos from a bunch of wrestlers, including Tommy "Wildfire" Rich, "Gentleman" Ken Timbs, Randy Rose (of the original Midnight Express), Paul Orndorff, Curt Hennig (as AWA World Champion), Wahoo McDaniel, "Golden Boy" Chick Donovan, Abdullah the Butcher, Dick Slater, Crusher Jerry Blackwell, Bambi, Lisa Moretti aka GLOW's Tina Ferrari aka POWW's Nina, aka WWF's Ivory, Luna Vachon, Paul Heyman and Nick "the Bully" Busick (aka Big Bully Busick, in the WWF). Joe and Boni at the Georgia Emmys, introduced by Captain Kangaroo, Bob Keeshan..... Boni interviewing Jim Cornette, Mr Fuji and Yokozuna, in the WWF..... A video Boni posted about Joe's stroke..... Jim Cornette talking about Joe, after his death and their involvement in projects together, as well as the Superstars of Wrestling and Pro Wrestling This Week.
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Post by driver1980 on Jul 25, 2024 8:45:22 GMT -5
I recently watched Royal Rumble 1995 from the USF Sun Dome in Tampa, Florida. Funny, I thought USF was in Miami. Anyway… Vince McMahon and Jerry Lawler on commentary with Todd Pettengill doing the interviews. Pamela Anderson is our celebrity of note. She will be in attendance and will also escort the Rumble winner to the ring for his Wrestlemania match. I think this is the first Royal Rumble being shown live in the UK. It must have started at about 1AM there, so kudos to any Brits who stayed up to watch this live! Opening match is for the WWF Intercontinental Title. Razor Ramon (champ) Vs Double J Jeff Jarrett w/ The RoadieDuring the match, Razor Ramon is knocked out of the ring and appears to tweak his knee. Unseen by the ref, the Roadie then clips him from behind, further injuring the knee, and Razor is unable to beat the count and get back into the ring. He is thus counted out. Jarrett (that’s Double J to you) wins by countout after about 12 minutes but doesn’t get the title. However, the Roadie hands him a mic, and as Ramon is heading back to the locker room, Jarrett starts trash talking him and calling him a coward for not coming back and finishing the match. This goads Ramon into coming, or rather limping, back into the ring, and he tells the ref to restart the match. After about an additional six and a half minutes of wrestling, Razor set up for the Razor’s Edge, but then his knee collapsed and Jarrett capitalized with an inside cradle for the pinfall win. I thought this was a great match, with very good storytelling and psychology, and Razor did a great job of selling the knee injury. I thought Jarrett winning the title was a huge upset, and the crowd fell into a stunned silence. Pettengill interviews both Diesel and Bret (separately) and they are both too tense to say much to him. Good job of selling the importance of this. Next match is The Undertaker (w/Paul Bearer) vs. Irwin R. Schyster (w/Ted Dibiase)Ugh. Undertaker gets the win with a chokeslam (not a Tombstone!) after about 12 minutes. This was a mediocre match. Next match is for the WWF Championship: Diesel (champ) vs. Bret HartThis is a rare face vs. face match, though Bret has been acting a bit heelish in promos lately and frankly, acts very heeling in this match. Bret Hart has new music, and frankly, his old music (which goes back to the Hart Foundation days) was much, much better. I have no idea why they felt the need to give him new music. I have noticed that, since Jimmy Hart left the company, the entrance music has gone downhill sharply and in most cases, the newer wrestlers aren’t even getting proper music, but rather just sound effects, like a truck’s horn, or an animal’s bellow. Diesel also gets new entrance music. It’s okay, I guess. It sounds like it came from a honky tonk hole-in-the-wall bar, frankly. On to the match, I thought that this was a great match. Excellent psychology and storytelling. Bret got the figure four on Diesel (after working the knee throughout most of the match) on Diesel a bunch of times, but could never get the submission. No doubt because that’s not his finisher. Anyway, the ref seemed to think this was a no DQ match. There could have been a DQ about a half dozen time, such as whe Bret ties Diesel’s legs together with his wrist wraps,, when Bret hit Diesel’s leg with a chair, when Shawn Michaels came in and interfered, and when Owen Hart came in and interfered. We also get the dreaded ref bump, though it didn’t really play much of a role. After 27 plus minutes, the ref is finally forced to stop the match when no less than 4 wrestlers come in and interfere and there’s no way he can restore order at that point. The match is declared a draw. Great match with a stupid ending – just like WCW! While I loved the match, I absolutely hated the finish. It makes no sense to have the ref ignore all of those other cases of outside interference and refuse to DQ either guy even when it warranted it, in a heroic effort to give us a clean finish, then have a double DQ finish after all. What a waste. For the Vacant WWF Tag Team Championships: Bob “Spark Plugg” Holly and 1-2-3 Kid vs. Bam Bam Bigelow and Tatanka (w/Ted Dibiase)When Shawn Michaels effectively broke up the championship tag team of himself and Diesel by throwing his belt in the garbage, the Tag Team title became vacant and they held an 8 team tournament to determine the new champs. The Smoking Gunns (who were my pre-tournament favorites to win the thing) had to pull out at almost literally the last minute due to a kayfabe rodeo injury to one of the Gunns, and they were replaced I the tournament by the makeshift team of the 1-2-3 Kid and Bob Holly. I really like this replacement team, actually, though I’d rather have had them face the Heavenly Bodies (who I think are by far the best in-ring heel WWF tag team ad this point) in the finals rather than Bam Bam and Tatanka, but oh well. Also, the winner is supposed to face the Smoking Gunns (now fully healthy) in a title match on Monday Night Raw the night after this PPV. They list the combined weight of Kid and holly as 344 lbs. I’m pretty sure that’s a typo. The crowd was quiet for much of this match, I think maybe because they’re still recovering from the previous match. In the end, Kid is laying prostrate on the mat, so Bigelow (who is the legal man) goes to the top rope for a finishing moonsault. However, Tatanka for some reason decides to do an elbow drop on Kid, and he bumps into Bigelow, who winds up falling and knockling himself out. This allows Kid to roll over and lay his arm on Bigelow for the pin and the upset win. Personally, I thought that Tatanka looked like a moron for trying to finish off Kid when he (Tatanka) wasn’t the legal man, and he also looked like a klutz for bumping into Tatanka. However, the announcers made no mention of this, making it sound like it was Bigelow’s fault – and for that matter, none of the online reviews of this I looked at called Tatanka to task for his stupidity and clumsiness. Anyway, DiBiase and Tatanka leave without Bigelow. Bigelow eventually revives to find people mocking him, and Lawrence Taylor, who is sitting in the front row, is laughing at him. Bigelow has words with LT and then pushes him down and walks away. Hey, we’ve got our Wrestlemania XI main event all set. Sigh. Anyway, aside from that, I thought this was a very good match. Kid, Bigelow, and Holly all looked good and Tatanka was good enough. This was a big surprise not only because of the size difference but also because we knew the winner would face the Smoking Gunns on Raw the next night, so you’d expect the heel team to win here to face them. Next we get to the actual Rumble match. For the first time, we’ve only got one minute breaks between the entrants. Shawn Michaels draws #1 (no way he’ll win!) and British Bulldog draws #2, so those two guys start the match. At one point, Bulldog picks up Michaels and holds him over his head. Rather than simply throw him out of the ring, he throws him right down on the mat, which makes him look rather stupid. Duke “the Dumpster” Droese also had Michaels up on his shoulder and didn’t throw him out, so he looked pretty dumb too. Owen was attacked by Bret as he tried to enter the ring, and the beating continued until the next entrant was called. Owen apparently did get in, but got eliminated so quickly that the camera never even showed him in the ring! However, a few minutes later they did show on a replay Davey Boy Smith eliminating Owen. Luger got a surprisingly good pop when he entered. Not a lot of hot rivalries at this rumble. Certainly nothing like when Flair and Piper were going at it that one year. Bret also attached Bob Backlund when he tried to enter the ring. They’re selling here that Bret has basically snapped. Could a heel turn be coming? The Smoking Gunns looked like morons trying to eliminate each other (when there were about 8 other guys in the ring they could have gone after instead of going after each other) and both got eliminated together by one guy. Shawn had a lot of near eliminations here! At the end, we’re left with Shawn Michaels and Davey Boy Smith! It was kinda cool seeing the two guys who started the rumble also finish it, though I wouldn’t want that every year. We get another controversial finish as Michaels is apparently eliminated, and they play Davey Boy’s music, and he stands on the turnbuckles to celebrate – then Michaels comes from behind and knocks him out! It turns out that Michaels wasn’t eliminated, as only one of his feet hit the floor. However, it made WWF look kind of dumb for playing his music prematurely without a signal from the ref, and it also seemed very unfair to Davey Boy. Anyway, they showed a really nice replay and you can see that Michaels hangs on for dear life and indeed only one foot ever hits the ground. Good call by the refs, but bad call by whoever started Bulldog’s music. Pamela Anderson now enters the ring, as she will escort the Royal Rumble winner to Wrestlemania. I’ll be she’s glad that Mantour didn’t win!!! Still, she does not look thrilled to be here. I would say she’s just picking up the paycheck and getting out of Dodge. All in all, I felt the only real stinker here was the Undertaker/IRS match. All the other singles & doubles matches I thought were excellent. The rumble itself was okay. It wasn’t great, as having only one minute between entrants was probably a mistake (I think this was the only year they did this, so I guess somebody else agreed with me) but on the other hand, the shorter rumble match did allow the other matches to go longer, so that may be why most of them were so good. They also didn’t have people doing double duty with regular matches as well as the Rumble match, like they did last year. Overall, I thought that this was a pretty good rumble, as 3 of the 4 non-rumble matches were excellent. Firstly, I couldn’t watch this live as I had school the day after, but in the pre-internet age, it was great to be able to watch it the day afterwards, without worrying about inadvertently coming across spoilers (back then, only a UK hotline would have given you the results). It was disheartening to see Ramon lose the Intercontinental Championship, but what a good match. Also, Ramon never wrestled in a Rumble (I’m not counting Fake Razor in 1997), which is disappointing. Personally, I’d have had both men do double duty that night. That would have given the Rumble some star power. Double J could have boasted to Pettengil, saying something like, “Double J beat the so-called Bad Guy and became the Intercontinental Champion! Well, ‘ol Double J is gonna win the Royal Rumble. And I don’t care if its the Hitman or Big Daddy Fool, Double J is gonna become the WWF Champion at WrestleMania. Bank on it!” And Razor could have said, “Yo, chico, the Bad Guy had a tough break earlier tonight. But I am ready for the Royal Rumble. I don’t care who I have to go through. I will go through friends like Lex Luger. I will go through foes like Shawn Michaels. I will go through 28 guys to get to Jeff Jarrett. I don’t care. I may have lost the Intercontinental Championship, but I am going for the top prize, chico. Bet on it.” Undertaker vs. IRS was what it was. There was no point to the feud. Again, the Rumble would have had more star power if both men had been in it. In WCW, at one of their PPVs (possibly Spring Stampede 2000), the event was announced as having “relaxed the DQ rules” to give referees some leeway. Rare logic from WCW. Something could have happened like that for Bret/Diesel. Still, a good match and I don’t suppose Bret could have done the job. The WWF Tag Team tournament was the usual predictable formula of not allowing anyhing other than babyface vs heels, but I did like where it led, and I’d say the tag team match here was possibly the match of the night. Like you, I did not expect the babyfaces to win. Regarding LT, be honest, we’re all pining for and wishing for an LT/Bigelow WM XI action figure set, right? The Rumble did lack star power. I did read that the 60-second interval between participants was due to concerns over a lack of star power. It was decent enough. I often had fun imagining unlikely victories, e.g. if Dick Murdoch had won this, we’d have had WWF Champion Diesel vs. Dick Murdoch as the main event of WM XI. How peculiar. The ending was fun, but what if Shawn had accidentally touched the floor with both feet? How would the WWF have explained that? Incidentally, Jim Neidhart was due to participate in the Rumble, but he was gone by the time of the event, so was replaced by Rick Martel. Here’s some interesting stats for the event: * Shawn Michaels eliminated the most men, 9 in total * Davey Boy Smith and Shawn Michaels lasted the longest, 38:41 in total * Owen Hart lasted the shortest, 3 seconds in total * This is the only Rumble that Dick Murdoch, Jimmy Del Ray, King Kong Bundy, Mantaur, Steven Dunn, Timothy Well, and Tom Prichard competed in.
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Post by driver1980 on Jul 25, 2024 8:52:50 GMT -5
I recently watched WCW Clash of Champions 30 from January 1995. This is from Caesar’s Palace in Las Vegas, NV. We’re well into the Hulk Hogan era now. Let’s see how this goes. Flair, still “permanently” retired, is in attendance. The commish has decreed that Vader can’t be I the same building as Hogan until their Superbrawl match, yet he’s bought 2 ringside tickets. We’d assume Harley Race will be in the other seat but it’s empty to start. Heenan and Schiavone on commentary with Okerlund handling the interviews. The first match is for the TV Title: Arn Anderson (champ, w. Col. Parker & Meng) vs. Johnny B. BaddThis match was voted on by the fans. Again we get stupidity and inconsistency with the top rope rule. You can’t toss a guy over the top rope but you can drop kick him off when he’s standing on the top turnbuckle. I know it’s not quite the same thing in this case but the latter is more dangerous. Arn gets knocked out of the ring and Parker drops cold water on him (out of sight of the ref) and helps him back into the ring (out of sight of the ref). The way they booked this, making it look like it was a clever bit of cheating on Parker’s part to illegally help Anderson back in the ring, you’d think this match had special rules where you can lose the title via countout, but that wasn’t the case here. It would have been fine for Anderson & Parker if he’d have gotten counted out, as he’d still retain the title, but they seemed to ignore that in the booking of this match. Badd comes back I the ring after chasing Parker and gets DDT’d by Anderson, so Anderson wins. Other than that oddness, I thought that this was a decent match. Next match is Alex Wright vs. Bobby EatonWright shrugs off an Alabama Slam, then quickly comes back with a suplex and cross body for the pin. This was a pretty good match, except that Wright had some arm bars for way too long. He’s got talent, but sometimes slows things down too much. Next match is for the Tag Team Titles: Harlem Heat w. Sister Sherri (champs) vs. Stars and StripesHarlem Heat have a new look here (purple), and frankly, their old look (with the red & black) was much better. Sherri takes her shoe off but accidentally hits Booker by mistake. Bagwell rolls him up for two but Stevie kicks Marcus in the face to give Booker the pin to retain. Another decent match. I think all three matches have been pretty good, though not great or anything. Next is Sting vs. AvalancheGuardian Angel is the special referee for this match. After 4 straight Stinger splashes, Sting gets Avalanche in his Scorpion Deathlock. Guardian for some reason refuses to end the match, even though it appears that Avalanche is giving up, so veteran official Nick Patrick comes in and ends the match in favor of Sting. Angel then shoves Nick Patrick down, and gets into a tussel with Sting before leaving. Okerlund interviews him as he’s walking to the back, and Angel says he is once again Big Bubba Rogers! We’ve got a heel turn, folks! Frankly, this was the most interesting part of this match, as the match itself was lousy. Sting is great against big men, but it just wasn’t happening against Avalanche in 1995. The main event is Hulk Hogan/Randy Savage w/Jimmy Hart v Kevin Sullivan/The ButcherRandy Savage doesn’t hate Hogan at this point in time, so things are good. Of course, Hogan (oh yeah, and Savage) win with the Hogan leg drop. Awful match. And of course Hogan gets the pin. Butcher got Hogan in his sleeper and Hogan slumped to the mat. Butcher walked around as if he had won, and didn’t bother to pin Hogan, even after the ref told him the match wasn’t over. So of course Hogan was able to recover and get up. That just made Butcher look too stupid. There was also a spot where Hogan was laying apparently out cold on the mat, and Savage revived him – by elbow dropping him off the top rope! So all Savage’s finisher does to Hogan is wake him up??? I don’t think I need to explain all the ways that is a terrible idea. At one point the heels banged Savage’s head into the ring post outside the ring, which should have been an automatic DQ according to WCW’s rules (unless they’ve gotten rid of that rule and I didn’t notice) but why pay attention to rules now? Also, after the match, Vader comes in and give Hogan his finisher. And Hogan pos up from that!!! So why would I want to pay to see their Superbrawl match in 4 weeks??? So the first three matches here were pretty good, and the last two matches were awful. It would help of Hogan lost on occasion. Right now, he never seems to be in any danger of losing and things are predicable and repetitive. Pretty much in agreement with most of that. Hogan no-selling Vader’s powerbomb was unnecessary and counter-productive. Hogan should have done the job at least once to Vader. Savage using the elbowdrop to “wake up” Hogan was different, I guess, but it makes zero sense even within the quirky world of professional wrestling. If anything, doing that on an unconscious person will surely just hurt them more and keep them unconscious for longer…
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Post by driver1980 on Jul 25, 2024 9:04:06 GMT -5
I recently watched WCW Uncensored 1995. The idea behind this first time PPV is that it’s been arranged for scores and feuds to be settled once and for all, so it’s “uncensored” and also unsanctioned by WCW, meaning that no championships are on the line (except for the tag team belt, for some reason) and “anything goes”. Also, every single match is a gimmick match (see below), and I hate gimmick matches, so I seriously considered skipping this but finally decided to tough it out. Here is the scheduled card: 1. King of the Road Match: Blacktop Bully vs. Dustin Rhodes. 2. Martial Arts Match: Meng vs. Hacksaw Jim Duggan. 3. Boxer vs. Wrestler: Johnny B. Badd vs. Arn Anderson. 4. No Disqualification Match: Macho Man Randy Savage vs. Avalanche. 5. Anything Goes Match: Sting vs. Big Bubba Rogers. 6. Texas Tornado, Falls Count Anywhere Match for the WCW World Tag Team Championship: The Nasty Boys vs. Harlem Heat (c). 7. Indian Strap Match: Vader vs. Hulk Hogan. This takes place in Tupelo, Mississippi and your hosts are Bobby Heenan and Tony Schiavone. For some reason Mike Tenay from thew WCW Hotline is replacing Gene Okerlund on interviews and I will tell you that I wind up missing Mean Gene pretty soon into this show. Hogan has a new man in his corner named Renegade, who is an Ultimate Warrior rip-off. Supposedly they tried to get the real thing but he asked for way too much money. Nobody ever accused Warrior of thinking too little of himself. WCW suspended Ric Flair?! How can they do that? He’s retired! Good ol’ WCW. First match is the King of the Road Match: Blacktop Bully vs. Dustin Rhodes
The idea here is that these two guys are in an 18 wheeler flatbed truck (with a wire fence perimeter) full of bales of hay, with the truck going down the highway during the whole match, and the first one to climb the fence and ring the horn at the front of the truck is the winner. Who says WCW is a hick outfit? Anyway, while this certainly looks quite dangerous, and is an interesting visual with the two guys fighting and trying to climb the truck with camera trucks and helicoptors following along, I actually found the action difficult to follow, and I found it so boring that I fast forwarded through large chunks of it. Oh, and Blacktop Bully won, in case anybody cares. This match was joined in progress and apparently filmed the day before and edited to fit into the PPV. Oh, apparently Jimmy Hart (Hogan’s manager) is missing and nobody seems to know where he is. Next is the Martial Arts Match: Meng vs. Hacksaw Jim DugganThis was another boring match. Meng wins it with a superkick. Some cheating during the match from Col. Parker but this is uncensored so there shouldn’t be any DQ’s during this PPV. We’ll see how that plays out. Next is the Boxer vs. Wrestler Match: Johnny B. Badd vs. Arn AndersonOkay, this match was actually pretty good. It was a well done boxer vs. wrestler match, We get 3 minute rounds (up to 10 rounds) with rest periods, just like a boxing match. Badd wins when he removed a boxing glove and hit Anderson with his left hook for the KO in the 4th round. Again, plenty of cheating in this one with Anderson attacking Badd during the rest periods. No Disqualification Match: Macho Man Randy Savage vs. Avalanche
This is a No Disqualification match. Guess what, Randy Savage wins – BY DISQUALIFICATION!! Only WCW would do something this stupid. Anyway, the match ends when Savage is attacked by a woman from the crowd, and the woman is revealed to be – Ric Flair in drag!! Yup. Chaos ensures and the ref decides to end the match. The match itself was okay, Nothing great, but at least a legit match. Savage looked good, anyway. Next is an Anything Goes Match: Sting vs. Big Bubba Rogers
Sting dominated the first several minutes of the match, but suffers a knee injury during the match, and Rogers wisely goes to work on that bad knee. The match ends when Sting picks up Rogers in an attempt to slam him, but can’t keep him up, so Rogers falls on top of him and stays on top for the pin. That doesn’t make Sting look too smart to try that with his bad knee (though he’d already done several other power moves like that on the bad knee) but I thought that this was a pretty good match. Probably the best match of the night so far. Poor Sting, though. How the mighty have fallen…down the card. Next match is the Texas Tornado, Falls Count Anywhere Match for the WCW World Tag Team Championship: The Nasty Boys vs. Harlem Heat (champs).
Harlem Heat trick the Nasties by sneaking in from behind before the match starts and attacking them while Sherri provides the distraction. I thought this match was very boring, especially once they moved the fight to the concession stands. The floor got slippery and the match slowed to a crawl. The camera didn’t even show the pin live, as it was on Sags and Stevie, so we’re watching them and the bell mysteriously rings. It turns out that Knobbs had pinned Booker, I guess. I can’t believe a title changed hands on this absolute mess of a “match”. Once they got to the concession stand, the match resembled a blooper scene from Animal House. What garbage. We get Mike Tenay interviewing Vader, then Ric Flair joins them for the promo. He’s still got the mascara and red nail polish from his disguise. Quite a sight. They are selling the idea that Flair has snapped. Still no sign of Jimmy Hart, by the way. And the main event is Indian Strap Match: Vader vs. Hulk Hogan. I’m not sure why the WCW Championship isn’t on the line here, but it’s not. Hogan comes out alone. No Jimmy Hart and no Renegade. Vader comes out with Ric Flair. Michael Buffer screws up (for not the first time) by saying that this fight is sanctioned by WCW. The match starts, and Flair threatens to interfere (as this is “uncensored” so anything goes) but OUT COMES RENEGADE! He runs off Flair temporarily. Eventually during this boring match, Jimmy Hart comes out. His clothes are torn, he is disheveled, and he’s got tape around his wrists and ankles, as he’s obviously been tied up out back. He comes out to cheer on the Hulkster. At one point, the mysterious masked man (who was Arn Anderson, who had previously done Ric Flair’s evil deeds against Hogan) and breaks a wooden chair over the Renegade’s head. Man, what a total Ultimate Warrior ripoff this Renegade is. Anyway, at some point Vader loses hold of the leather strap joining the two men, and Flair gets is, and Hogan wins the match – BY DRAGGING RIC FLAIR TO ALL 4 RING POSTS!!! Wait a minute, this was a match between Hulk Hogan and Vader, not Hogan and Ric Flair! How the hell does he win the match by pinning someone nor technically a part of the match. Typical WCW stupidity. In fact, this is pretty dumb, even for WCW. The heels try to cheap shot the faces, and with the masked man, they figure they have the numbers advantage. But wait! The masked man takes off his mask, and it’s really Randy Savage! Savage and Hogan hug, and we see Arn Anderson, still with arms and legs taped up, hopping down the aisle. Then we get the good guys chase off the bad guys and 5 minutes of Hogan posing, just like every other Hulk Hogan match. Bad, boring, nonsensical match. Some moments of drama, but not NEARLY enough to save it. The worst Vader match I’ve seen to this point and it’s not his fault at all. Overall, this might be the worst PPV I’ve seen. If not, it’s pretty darn close. I did like the idea of an “unsanctioned PPV”, but, my goodness, so much to criticise here. There has to be some logic in even the most frivolous and quirky stuff. Police Academy is silly (and fun), but needs to have some sort of logic, often with the parameters being defined early on. Wrestling should be no different. In no logical reality or fictional reality does it make sense for Hogan to win a strap match by dragging SOMEBODY ELSE around the ring. Logically, no referee would allow it. I can’t think of a comparison, but, hell, if Superman defeats Doomsday during a fight, by unleashing some magic on Darkseid, which causes Darkseid to fall down, it’d be silly if Superman flew away and said, “Well, I didn’t technically beat Doomsday, but Darkseid interfered and I put him down.” WCW, eh? And we can’t even blame this on Russo. As for Renegade, Hogan, what were you thinking?! At a time when I got my news from the likes of the PWI family of mags, whenever Hogan mentioned his “ultimate surprise”, well I expected Warrior to show up. Who didn’t, especially as some magazines had hinted at Warrior talking with WCW in 1993 and 1994 (I have no idea if that actually occurred)? In what universe was Renegade fooling anyone? God rest his soul, but it was a poor imitation. Warrior had his fans, and love him or hate him, he had charisma and those intangible qualities. You do not copy that. EVER. Yes, comicbook publishers do it all of the time, but it doesn’t mean others should. WCW fans who had NEVER watched WWF would not have cared for Renegade, and those of us watching both promotions would have seen through that. We did! It was never gonna work. How tone deaf was Hogan? Or maybe ego overrides everything; after all, as discussed countless times, Hogan still maintains he wrestled in front of 80,000 fans at Wembley Stadium, so I guess his entire existence is a work. It’s a shame how Renegade’s life ended. I’m *not* blaming Hogan for that, but he should never have been brought in. You know, I feel the Powers of Pain and Demolition carved out their own niche, and good luck to them. They did it. But no-one was gonna successfully imitate Warrior. So, a lousy PPV on some levels (I guess some bouts were good), and Vader deserved better.
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Post by Ricky Jackson on Jul 25, 2024 9:15:46 GMT -5
Welcome back. This thread was getting pretty dusty without you
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Post by driver1980 on Jul 25, 2024 10:28:09 GMT -5
Welcome back. This thread was getting pretty dusty without you Thank you.
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