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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2019 22:18:03 GMT -5
Listen to Cornette's analysis of the other AEW events. They play to much to internet fans and not enough to a general audience, which they will need to do, with tv. Pre-show stuff is terrible, with sloppy workers, bad indie stuff, garbage matches (aka hardcore stuff, which they said they weren't going to do). They have some really good young talent that needs guidance and needs to learn to make things logical and make it matter. Too many good workers have to go off to the side so other, lesser talent can get their stuff in, which consists of moves with no psychology. The audience needs a story to follow. Corny thinks Cody is great and Dustin is at his best, ever. Jericho was good, but needs to get back into shape. The photo of him on the AEW site looks terrible, with some stupid fedora and long hair sticking down the back, looking like a wannabe rock star-crossed with a gangster. Daniels and Kazarian are great; but not working with great opponents, at these events. He is really high on Scorpio Sky, a young, muscled black wrestler who he says could be used as a superhero character and be massively over with kids and adults, to draw casual fans, ala Rey Mysterio Jr. Give him a slick outfit, develop him over time and he will be main event, per Cornette. MJF is the best heel in the business and needs to be working at the top. He likes Jungle Boy and Luchasaurus, as they have a gimmick that is working and fans get into it. They need to be showcased better. Omega and Young Bucks need to drop the bad comedy and learn psychology. He hates Omega for all of the stupid junk he did in the Japanese DDT promotion, which was filled with bad comedy, little kids wrestling (Omega did the job to an 6 or 8 year-old girl) and Omega wrestling a blow-up sex doll. Omega and Young Bucks have worked for New Japan; so they have the tools; but not the mindset to really be top stars in a national promotion. They are stuck in an indie mindset and won't listen to criticism. Too much time playing around. He's big in Nyla Rogers, as a monster; but she is selling for women half her size, which is backward. Dr Britt Baker is another standout. Awesome Kong needs to be used better, as she has mainstream drawing power, with GLOW. The Lucha Bros. need to learn to integrate more with the American style, but are good when doing Lucha stuff. The announcing needs to just be two-man, with Excalibur losing the mask. I agree, an announcer should not have a gimmick. Heel color commentary is old, so stick with presenting it as an athletic competition. Need to do more to capture the casual fan, especially with tv. Don't waste pre-show stuff on bad comedy and sloppy and dangerous matches. Don't use that period. Introduce your performers, give the audience a reason to care about them. He praises the technical skill of the production people, excellent video packages, good look to the presentation of the shows. Booking needs to have more logic to it; fewer matches with so many guys involved (3 ays need to be special). Alex Marvez has no place as a commentator and he seems to know it. Cornette was critical of the female ref at Double or Nothing but liked her work in subsequent shows. Billy Gunn and Jerry Lyn are supposed to be "coaches." Not sure what that entails; bit, those are not guys I would be using as trainers and mentors. Gun has no history for it and Lynn never had a strong grasp on psychology. I'd be looking at guys like Dutch Mantell and Cornette, to teach them why to do things and to book things. Lance Storm would be perfect; but he is happy running his school, which turns out great performers. Same with Danny Davis, who sold off OVW, to Al Snow, who would be my other choice. Need more experienced guys, with a track record booking and developing talent. Kenny Omega has no business in an executive position. never drawn, does dumb things, never demonstrated a head for the business. Cody makes sense. I read this three times and you've really done your homework.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 4:31:06 GMT -5
I like your dream matches, Mechagodzilla.
There are so many I'd pay to see: Undertaker VS Andre the Giant, Bill Goldberg VS Big Van Vader, Brock Lesnar VS Big Van Vader, etc.
The Mega Powers VS The Road Warriors is a match that would not require an undercard! Or Hulk Hogan & Bret Hart VS Shawn Michaels & Ric Flair.
But if I had to pick just ONE dream match, and it almost happened in 1994, it would be Big Van Vader VS Rick Rude.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 6:48:35 GMT -5
So, thoughts on SummerSlam 1988? I love how the back cover of that video doesn't reveal who Honky Tonk Man's opponent is. While not my favourite PPV of all time, there's enough here of interest, including Warrior's surprise demolition of HTM. Jake Roberts and Hercules have a solid match, the finish coming out of nowhere. And the main event did what it needed to do. I don't think there's really a bad match on the card, although none can be called classics. Jesse Ventura added "flavour" to the main event, I'm sure it was a spectacle back in the day. I saw this in the mid-90s thanks to a Blockbuster rental. At the time, I'd already read about Warrior's demolition of HTM. I guess I would have known the main event result, too. But the rest of the card was a surprise to me. SummerSlam 1989 is a much better PPV, in my opinion, but we'll discuss that at a later date.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2019 12:36:11 GMT -5
It was a joke in my opinion of the match of the Warrior defeating the Honky Tonk Man in 31 seconds for the Intercontinental Championship. All others except the Main Event was marginal at best and I just felt that the Tag Team Match was badly scripted favoring Demolition. The first match that ended a draw was a total farce and I hated that match so much that it wasted 20 minutes of the PPV. I give it a C+ ... a weak one.
Honky Tonk Man is one of my hated wrestler that using an Elvis gimmick to promote himself was a joke itself.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 26, 2019 21:08:40 GMT -5
I liked Liz's legs, when she whipped off the skirt; that's all I recall.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 4:37:39 GMT -5
Didn't Vince McMahon promote (or try to promote) a boxing match around the time of this PPV?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 6:25:46 GMT -5
Didn't Vince McMahon promote (or try to promote) a boxing match around the time of this PPV? He did and this was a joke too and Vince lost a lot of monies back then. Sugar Ray Leonard vs Donny Lalonde (1988): Titan Sports (now WWE) tries to promote boxing on PPV. Way too much of the first Summerslam was spent promoting this. Lalonde fought at a lighter weight than usual for financial reasons, he lost, nobody cared, and it flopped.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 9:23:57 GMT -5
Yeah, I seem to remember a promo for it during SummerSlam 1988. Thanks!
At his best, Vince has been one of the greatest wrestling promoters on the planet, but non-wrestling endeavours flop. I mean, will the XFL succeed second time round?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2019 19:07:14 GMT -5
Yeah, I seem to remember a promo for it during SummerSlam 1988. Thanks! I did too.
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 27, 2019 21:22:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I seem to remember a promo for it during SummerSlam 1988. Thanks! At his best, Vince has been one of the greatest wrestling promoters on the planet, but non-wrestling endeavours flop. I mean, will the XFL succeed second time round? The XFL was nothing, compared to the World Bodybuilding Federation and the Evel Knievel Snake river Canyon Jump. Vince was involved in promoting that. he had tried promoting rock concerts, befor becoming as heavily involved in his father's business and was an abject failure. The WWE restaurant in times square failed, their store at Niagra Falls. he bought Debbie reynolds casino, then never put the thing in operation. It was eventually sold and demolished, though I had heard they were toying with an idea to run an angle where Steve Austin blows it up, to coincide with the real demolition. I think the safety concerns nixed the idea, as they would have been at too far a distance to make the angle work. Vince hates the term "wrestling" and anything to do with it, in its truest form, but, it's the only thing he was ever good at and it fuels his desire to show up his absentee father that he was better than him. Jim Cornette has told stories about how he would get if you talked "wrestling" and didn't want terms like "hospital" used; it was always "medical facility." Vince Sr was one of several promoters involved in the Ali-Inoki travesty, including Verne Gagne, Mike LaBell (LA promoter) and Inoki, himself (New Japan).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 4:02:49 GMT -5
Yeah, the WBF didn't interest me (and I am a Lou Ferrigno fan). I don't have an affinity for bodybuilding, anyway, but I certainly didn't want a bodybuilding/entertainment hybrid.
As for him not liking the term "wrestling", "sports entertainment" is a silly term. Has ANY fan, in the history of wrestling, ever said to his friends, "I've bought some sports entertainment tickets, do you want to come?" or, "I'm selling some sports entertainment magazines on eBay!"?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 5:35:59 GMT -5
XFL and WBF ... did not hold me any interest at all. This jersey summons the farce of the XFL.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 6:45:03 GMT -5
Although I believe in creativity, sometimes things don't mix (like oil and water). I mean, imagine if a candy manufacturer decided to create broccoli-flavoured candy!
I have no insight into bodybuilding fans' minds, but I have to ask this: would bodybuilding purists have been interested in a WBF that mixed bodybuilding and entertainment? I doubt it. And would wrestling fans have been interested in a "sports entertainment" version of bodybuilding? I doubt it.
Maybe the same arguments can apply to the XFL!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2019 16:53:50 GMT -5
What is your weirdest and wackiest (TOP) Costumes that any Professional Wrestler wore in their Career? Mine would be the ROCK in this gad-awful set-up!
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Post by codystarbuck on Aug 28, 2019 17:10:06 GMT -5
Although I believe in creativity, sometimes things don't mix (like oil and water). I mean, imagine if a candy manufacturer decided to create broccoli-flavoured candy! I have no insight into bodybuilding fans' minds, but I have to ask this: would bodybuilding purists have been interested in a WBF that mixed bodybuilding and entertainment? I doubt it. And would wrestling fans have been interested in a "sports entertainment" version of bodybuilding? I doubt it. Maybe the same arguments can apply to the XFL! WBF caused some initial controversy, as it was an assault on the Weider monopoly on bodybuilding, and McMahon offered much bigger money, to the participants. That went south when Luger was hired in, for much bigger money. He had an agent negotiate his contract, whioch was relatively new, to wrestling. he was put in there because of his contract with WCW, which hadn't yet expired. However, his participation was nixed when he had his motorcycle accident, which resulted in the plate in his forearm (used as a gimmick in the WWF). The thing only lasted 2 years, total. Bodybuilding and wrestling have had lots of crossovers, with guys like Billy Graham, Steve Strong (the original, not Steve DiSalvo, who wrestled as Steve Strong, in Canada), Rick Drayson (a California wrestler) and others. Hogan and ventura were less of that group and more of just Billy Graham wannabes. Graham, Strong and Drayson were all involved in the California bodybuilding scene, with weider and Gold's gym. Wrestling has had a lot of crossover with fringe entertainments, traditionally, including racing (stock car and drag racing), bodybuilding, and roller derby. Where it usually had problems was when paired with legit sports competition. The closest thing to real pro wrestling was the Pancrase promotion, in Japan, before the UFC became dominant. Most of the guys involved had been trained by Karl Gotch and practiced submission wrestling; but, there were a few striking experts, like Bas Rutten, who learned how to grapple and defend against grapples, to thendeliver strikes. UFC led to more guys who were grapplers who learned to strike, with "ground and pound" style becoming dominant. Pancrase turned more into that when they modified the rules to allow closed fist strikes (previously only allowed to the body, never the head). Their early bouts, with guys like Ken Shamrock, Masa Funaki and Minoru Suzuki were mostly wrestling matches, with submission attempts, taking the UWF "shoot style" and doing it for real, rather than in a worked format. they still did some worked preliminary matches and when Shamrock dropped the King of Pancrase title to Suzuki, to compete full time for the UFC. Pancrase changed their rules because of the popularity of the UFC and the Pride group. Shooto, started by Tiger Mask, was the same kind of thing, with both amateur and professional fights; but, never really branched beyond Japan. It was similar to Brazilian vale tudo, which was mostly grappling (ju-jitsu), blended with striking (especially the lute livre stylists, such as Marco Ruas).
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