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Post by mrbrklyn on Nov 22, 2018 15:56:29 GMT -5
So, what did you think of the ending of Mister Miracle. It is hard to understand exactly what King did here. He visits the ghosts of the major players in his life, all of whom he slaughters and it seems that King is indicating that the entire series is a dream, one that he had oppurtunities to escape, but for which he didn't. OTOH, it seems to proceed as a real continuity. It is very puzzling and not what I expect. I expected it to be sealed in the end. Instead it seems to have no ending. It is as if they wrote this great story and had no idea how to end it.
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Post by hondobrode on Nov 22, 2018 22:23:19 GMT -5
I haven't read it but that's the impression I got as well from hearing about it from others.
My impression is that a New Gods title of some sort is coming.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2018 23:10:43 GMT -5
I figured the ending is vague by design.
I do want to sit down and reread it one sitting though.
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Post by berkley on Nov 22, 2018 23:29:43 GMT -5
It wasn't my kind of thing, as far as the New Gods go, so I didn't read the series but I have been taking a look at the previews and so on for each issue just in case there might be something to change my mind. Haven't seen the last issue yet but from what I've read, it was probably always meant to be left open to the reader's interpretation as to whether it was all a death-dream of the dying Scott Free or whatever. I'd have to the whole series through in detail to form an opinion myself and I didn't care enough for the excerpts I saw to be motivated to do that.
I think King and Gerads put a lot of work into the series and that the project meant a lot to them personally as creators. But I also think it was a story that didn't need the New Gods - that indeed wasn't a good fit for those characters or the overall concept Kirby created them to embody and enact. Also that they didn't have a good handle on those characters or that overall concept, that they were influenced more by how DC writers other than Kirby wrote them than by Kirby himself. No disrespect intended to those who liked it, of course.
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Post by mrbrklyn on Nov 23, 2018 0:58:02 GMT -5
It wasn't my kind of thing, as far as the New Gods go, so I didn't read the series but I have been taking a look at the previews and so on for each issue just in case there might be something to change my mind. Haven't seen the last issue yet but from what I've read, it was probably always meant to be left open to the reader's interpretation as to whether it was all a death-dream of the dying Scott Free or whatever. I'd have to the whole series through in detail to form an opinion myself and I didn't care enough for the excerpts I saw to be motivated to do that. I think King and Gerads put a lot of work into the series and that the project meant a lot to them personally as creators. But I also think it was a story that didn't need the New Gods - that indeed wasn't a good fit for those characters or the overall concept Kirby created them to embody and enact. Also that they didn't have a good handle on those characters or that overall concept, that they were influenced more by how DC writers other than Kirby wrote them than by Kirby himself. No disrespect intended to those who liked it, of course.
The story could not be told for any other character than Mister Miracle in the setting of the New Gods. This was an integral part of the story line. They wanted to do a Mister Miracle story specifically. It was not forced on them or an accident. Overall, this story, I think will be one of those rare books that will be talked about and debated by my grandchildren.... the book is that impressive. If one is reading the New Gods and Fourth World, and you are looking for Kirby, one will be disappointed. Jack Kirby is dead, and he was a unique creator and artist. You can no more expect King and Gerads to do a Kirby Mister Miracle than you can expect John Byrne to do a Kirby Fantastic Four. Byrne's FF stands on its own, and King and Gerads Mister Miracle also stands on its own. But there was nothing grafted about this story line into the Fourth World. This is definitely a Fourth World story through and through.
I just think they are not sure how they wanted to end this book. They may have had an idea when they started, but its popularity might have caused them to redirect the ending. To some degree, the story has broken from DC continuity. That seems evident from the sequences. It is almost like a Vertigo book at this point. I respect that you feel that he drifted from Kirby's vision, but I strong disagree. This story could not have been written without detailed and emotional understanding of the New Gods from their inception, especially Jack Kirby's work
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Post by mrbrklyn on Nov 23, 2018 1:19:23 GMT -5
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Post by berkley on Nov 23, 2018 1:27:24 GMT -5
Well, from interviews with the writer and from what I've seen of the series itself, I don't agree, but I'd rather not get into a discussion about it - at least not here, since this should be a thread for people who have read and enjoyed the series, so I'll just leave it at that.
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Post by mrbrklyn on Nov 23, 2018 22:15:30 GMT -5
Well, from interviews with the writer and from what I've seen of the series itself, I don't agree, but I'd rather not get into a discussion about it - at least not here, since this should be a thread for people who have read and enjoyed the series, so I'll just leave it at that. i appreciate that. fwiw, aside from reading the series, this is a source on this topic
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Post by berkley on Nov 24, 2018 21:29:10 GMT -5
Well, from interviews with the writer and from what I've seen of the series itself, I don't agree, but I'd rather not get into a discussion about it - at least not here, since this should be a thread for people who have read and enjoyed the series, so I'll just leave it at that. i appreciate that. fwiw, aside from reading the series, this is a source on this topic
I get "video unavailable" when I click play on those but thanks for taking the time. I'll see if I can find a version that can be viewed here in Canada. |
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