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Post by hondobrode on Aug 14, 2018 19:34:42 GMT -5
I'd actually buy a Marvel again.
He's been gone 18 years since his falling out with Joe Quesada over x-continuity confusion, too many titles, and clashes with editors.
I wish he'd do work for DC too.
Hopefully he'll play by the rules, but this is JB so who knows.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 14, 2018 19:58:13 GMT -5
Has Byrne done anything remotely interesting in the last twenty years? Is anyone besides a few crusty old-timers clambering for a continuation of a series that was old 25 years ago?
Yawn!
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Post by rberman on Aug 14, 2018 21:07:48 GMT -5
Has Byrne done anything remotely interesting in the last twenty years? Is anyone besides a few crusty old-timers clambering for a continuation of a series that was old 25 years ago?  |
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 14, 2018 22:04:16 GMT -5
Much as I hated his Doom Patrol years ago, I'd gladly welcome him back with an X title.
It'll be the first X title I've bought since Morrison or the Ultimate X-Men. Haven't bought one since.
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Post by Duragizer on Aug 15, 2018 3:40:56 GMT -5
I think Byrne's a pretty mediocre writer (though he's had his moments of brilliance), and his post-'80s art by-and-large hasn't wowed me. Sadly, he seems to be the only creator willing/able to make an X-Men comic featuring characters — with characterization — I can actually recognize. Aside from The Hidden Years, I haven't been inclined to read any X-Men story published after 1985.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 15, 2018 4:50:37 GMT -5
Has Byrne done anything remotely interesting in the last twenty years? (...) So, since 1998? Yes. Marvel: The Lost Generation (with Roger Stern) is thoroughly enjoyable. I found X-men: The Hidden Years is, despite some serious flaws, a pretty solid read. Generations I and II are among the best Elseworlds stories ever done (III was just o.k.). His Star Trek minis published by IDW (Romulans: Hollow Crown and Schism, McCoy: Frontier Doctor, and Crew, Assignment: Earth, mostly set in and around the time of the original series) are quite good (o.k. Assignment: Earth was a bit disappointing, but still). Pretty much the only Trek comics I've ever read. That's just off the top of my head...
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 15, 2018 5:25:30 GMT -5
It might be interesting if he had a writer and a nice inker instead of him doing the whole thing. Now that I think of it, todays artwork style has passed him by. His art will look dated.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 15, 2018 7:04:43 GMT -5
It might be interesting if he had a writer and a nice inker instead of him doing the whole thing. Now that I think of it, todays artwork style has passed him by. His art will look dated. How so? You can like or not like his art, but this criticism seems virtually meaningless to me. I've read some of his more recently published work, like the aforementioned Star Trek series, and a few other IDW projects, and they looked fine in the technical sense - i.e., not 'dated' at all. Does any of the more recent work done by, say, George Perez or Jose Luis Garcia Lopez (PBHN) look dated to you as well? |
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 15, 2018 10:44:50 GMT -5
Today's artwork is more realistic. His work has looked more and more cartoony in the last few years.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Aug 15, 2018 11:54:54 GMT -5
Today's artwork is more realistic. (...) I've been hearing comic book fans say that since the 1970s, but it probably goes back even farther than that. Is Byrne's more current artwork cartoonier than the work being produced currently by, say, Mike Allred, Nico Leon, Natacha Bustos or Goran Sudzuka?
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Post by rberman on Aug 15, 2018 12:19:01 GMT -5
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Post by String on Aug 15, 2018 22:22:30 GMT -5
Today's artwork is more realistic. His work has looked more and more cartoony in the last few years. Then I'll gladly take his 'cartoony' art any day of the week. The news sites may be exaggerating this rumor based on comments Byrne has made on his forum. Apparently Cebulski liked Byrne's recent penciled pages of the X-Men that he has been posting and approached Byrne about it this past weekend when he made one of his rare con appearances in Boston. Now whether or not anything materializes from this communication, who knows. Hints would suggest if anything, it would be a series set aside from current Marvel canon (similar to Claremont's X-Men Forever title). Either way, I'd love to see him back in the Marvel fold and if so, I would rather hear about it (and believe it) from Byrne himself instead of the well-greased cogs of the official news sites. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2018 23:01:56 GMT -5
When I got back into comics circa 2011-2012 after a 5 year hiatus, I tried picking up a couple of the sci-fi mini-series Byrne was doing for IDW at the time, as I really like his Doomsday +1 stuff from early in his career and thought I might like these. I was wrong. They were just terrible comics. Poor plotting riddled with cliches and tired tropes, bad dialogue, terrible panel to panel and page to page storytelling, generic characters you could only tell apart by their clothing (and they weren't super-heroes in costume, so good luck with that), empty panels with generic undynamic layouts, etc. Based on these books, anything Byrne does now is a hard pass for me. If in the unlikely case it comes to pass he does something for Marvel and it gets universal praise, I will check it out on Marvel Unlimited, but no way I am shelling out a dime for his work based on the material he was producing for IDW 5 years ago.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 16, 2018 4:30:03 GMT -5
When I got back into comics circa 2011-2012 after a 5 year hiatus, I tried picking up a couple of the sci-fi mini-series Byrne was doing for IDW at the time, as I really like his Doomsday +1 stuff from early in his career and thought I might like these. I was wrong. They were just terrible comics. Poor plotting riddled with cliches and tired tropes, bad dialogue, terrible panel to panel and page to page storytelling, generic characters you could only tell apart by their clothing (and they weren't super-heroes in costume, so good luck with that), empty panels with generic undynamic layouts, etc. Based on these books, anything Byrne does now is a hard pass for me. If in the unlikely case it comes to pass he does something for Marvel and it gets universal praise, I will check it out on Marvel Unlimited, but no way I am shelling out a dime for his work based on the material he was producing for IDW 5 years ago. -M You captured what I've been thinking. I was a die hard Byrne fan until his Wonder Woman run. I felt that he had lost his magic doing the same layouts and faces over and over again. In the past , his characters had more "weight' to their bodies and the cartoony look has increased in the latter years. That's why I stated earlier that he would benefit from a good inker. |
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Post by Nowhere Man on Aug 18, 2018 9:43:19 GMT -5
When I got back into comics circa 2011-2012 after a 5 year hiatus, I tried picking up a couple of the sci-fi mini-series Byrne was doing for IDW at the time, as I really like his Doomsday +1 stuff from early in his career and thought I might like these. I was wrong. They were just terrible comics. Poor plotting riddled with cliches and tired tropes, bad dialogue, terrible panel to panel and page to page storytelling, generic characters you could only tell apart by their clothing (and they weren't super-heroes in costume, so good luck with that), empty panels with generic undynamic layouts, etc. Based on these books, anything Byrne does now is a hard pass for me. If in the unlikely case it comes to pass he does something for Marvel and it gets universal praise, I will check it out on Marvel Unlimited, but no way I am shelling out a dime for his work based on the material he was producing for IDW 5 years ago. -M You captured what I've been thinking. I was a die hard Byrne fan until his Wonder Woman run. I felt that he had lost his magic doing the same layouts and faces over and over again. In the past , his characters had more "weight' to their bodies and the cartoony look has increased in the latter years. That's why I stated earlier that he would benefit from a good inker. I feel the same way. Byrne was my first favorite comic creator and he'll always be one of my favorites. His work, particularly from 1978 to around 1990 was consistently excellent. I'll also say that he had a major, if very short lived, return to form with Batman/Captain American in 1996, but even then a lot of his post-80's bad habits were in full effect. It's odd that his more modern stuff (at least that he inks) looks so rushed, cartoony and lacking in detail when his workload is so much less than at his popular apex in the 80's. Some of his commissions, however, are as good as anything he's ever done. If he'd apply what he's doing to the better commissions to his current work (if it happens) I think his stuff would sell even if he inked it himself. I do think he needs a modern writer, though. I love old comics, but modern readers aren't going to like his current style. Hell, he's gone more retro as he's gotten older. |
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