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Post by badwolf on Aug 12, 2018 21:34:00 GMT -5
I have had music mysteriously go missing from my Amazon library.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2018 22:44:32 GMT -5
I worry about my digital library disappearing or my losing access to it as much as I worry about a fire, flood, burst pipes, gas main explosions, tornadoes, other natural disasters, theft/burglary, etc. causing my physical copies to disappear or causing me to lose access to them (i.e. not much at all since these are all things beyond my control no matter how much I want to believe I have control over them). The permanence of hardcopy is a fallacy we cling to to reassure us we will always have it, but life experience has revealed the lie behind that too many times for me to trust hardcopy more than digital in terms of permanence of access or ownership.
-M
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Post by dbutler69 on Aug 13, 2018 7:30:35 GMT -5
I have some digital comics, but I vastly prefer physical comics for this, as well as many other reasons.
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Post by badwolf on Aug 13, 2018 10:19:21 GMT -5
I worry about my digital library disappearing or my losing access to it as much as I worry about a fire, flood, burst pipes, gas main explosions, tornadoes, other natural disasters, theft/burglary, etc. causing my physical copies to disappear or causing me to lose access to them (i.e. not much at all since these are all things beyond my control no matter how much I want to believe I have control over them). The permanence of hardcopy is a fallacy we cling to to reassure us we will always have it, but life experience has revealed the lie behind that too many times for me to trust hardcopy more than digital in terms of permanence of access or ownership. -M At least a hard copy won't vanish or become damaged just sitting on the shelf.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 12:01:26 GMT -5
I backed up all my important stuff using my brother's cloud computing services and also backed up them up on 3 different flash drives devices as well.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2018 13:24:22 GMT -5
I worry about my digital library disappearing or my losing access to it as much as I worry about a fire, flood, burst pipes, gas main explosions, tornadoes, other natural disasters, theft/burglary, etc. causing my physical copies to disappear or causing me to lose access to them (i.e. not much at all since these are all things beyond my control no matter how much I want to believe I have control over them). The permanence of hardcopy is a fallacy we cling to to reassure us we will always have it, but life experience has revealed the lie behind that too many times for me to trust hardcopy more than digital in terms of permanence of access or ownership. -M At least a hard copy won't vanish or become damaged just sitting on the shelf. If the shelf malfunctions it will...I have had several things get broken when a shelf just gave out or whatever was holding to the wall (or the drywall itself) gave out and the shelf came crashing down, CDs and DVD cases and disks broken, vinyl snapped, action figures broken, tpb dinged up, dustjackets torn, just form sitting on the shelf and something malfunctions with the storage equipment, no discernible cause except normal wear and tear from being in use by the shelf or the material it was attached to, no warning, just oops it just got damaged through no outside influence and with no reasonable way for me to have done something to prevent it. Shit happens to hard copies or digital. It's the risk of having stuff in any format. And digital never gets damaged because you don't have the right kind of lighting or climate control where you store or display the stuff the way hard copies can. There's legitimate risks either way and there are ways you can manage SOME of the risks either way, but neither is guaranteed safe and neither is as permanent as people think. You pick your poison or your set of risks in this case and hope for the best. It's all you can do (well except try to rationalize to yourself that the choice you made is the better one because of x, y or z, but that's all it is, rationalization to make you feel better about the choice you made). -M
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Post by badwolf on Aug 13, 2018 13:42:59 GMT -5
And digital never gets damaged because you don't have the right kind of lighting or climate control where you store or display the stuff the way hard copies can. True, digital doesn't even require a reason.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Aug 14, 2018 14:25:30 GMT -5
Video games are about the only thing I buy digital. And that's just because in life of my 360/Xbox1 Microsoft has had some insanely good deals that I just couldn't pass up over my superstition of digital. While in the last ten years I have only bought one game that was lost, I also still can play Deadpool (although God knows 20 seconds into the intro of the game I thought "why did I buy this?") because I got a physical copy of it. All digital copies were removed from all gaming platforms for some legal reasons.
But as comics and books go ... it's less the fear of loss than it is the disinterest in cold sterile screen of a computer of e-reader.
Music I am fairly indifferent to because I don't need to own most music. I am just happy to have access to it, whether that access be free or not.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 14, 2018 16:42:38 GMT -5
Something could happen, but I have faith in those companies I think that's the crux of the argument right there: do you have faith in companies? Personally, I'm of the belief that a company will do what it can to stay profitable, and that taking care of the customer often runs contrary to that. Take the Photobucket Debaucle that, a year later, is still causing devastation to webmasters, bloggers, and even users here. It was no longer profitable to do right by the customer, and so everyone who put their faith in Photobucket got screwed. Even when you are paying money for the service, what responsibility does the company have to you in the event of a massive hack, hardware failure, the company being sold or going out of business, or even just Marvel or DC deciding on a new direction for their digital content platforms? Thus, I don't fully trust ANY for-profit company. The cloud is a marvelous concept. I just wouldn't put my faith and money into it.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 14, 2018 17:44:15 GMT -5
I've put a lot of faith in it in the fact that the concept is hugely profitable for publishers, as well as Amazon / Comixology.
If it weren't, I'd be skeptical, but it's very, very profitable.
Also, Amazon wouldn't want to deal with the negative fallout, tarnishing their super-valuable brand, so I have faith in it.
Before Amazon bought Comixology I would've been a little more apprehensive, but I still bought quite a bit of stuff.
Like I said, except for the DC & Marvel content, and maybe Dark Horse, I can't remember, all of it is downloadable.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 14, 2018 18:18:26 GMT -5
I rarely read on my PC, though I have a nice phat screen if I want to do that.
Most nights before going to sleep I cue something up on the iPad and read whatever.
I've gotten to prefer it to paper actually.
Never thought I'd say that, but I love blowing up the panel and seeing everything better, even than on paper.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 14, 2018 19:14:31 GMT -5
I rarely read on my PC, though I have a nice phat screen if I want to do that. Most nights before going to sleep I cue something up on the iPad and read whatever. I've gotten to prefer it to paper actually. Never thought I'd say that, but I love blowing up the panel and seeing everything better, even than on paper. I’m the same, though more so with prose than comics. I much prefer reading on an e-reader now.
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Post by hondobrode on Aug 14, 2018 19:25:12 GMT -5
Yeah, I still love me some paper, but I'm good with the digital.
Love my iPad; "It's just an iPhone without the phone"
Yes, butter it's 8-1/2" x 11" and perfect for carrying around.
Honestly, it was almost like starting over with comics (in a good way) when I started reading digitally.
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Post by Randle-El on Aug 14, 2018 21:08:24 GMT -5
I have a mix of both digital and physical copies for all of my media -- comics, prose books, music, movies. Digital serves a useful purpose in portability and space saving. For stuff that I particularly enjoy and know that I'll come back to, I'll buy a physical copy. I'm in agreement with MRP -- I'm not convinced that the likelihood of losing your digital files is any more than losing your physical media due to fire, freak accident, theft, etc. At least with cloud-based services, if for some reason you lose files or lose access, there's some possibility of legal remedy, like a class-action lawsuit. If your basement floods, and your books are ruined, not much you can do (unless you had your collection insured).
At the end of the day, it's just stuff. Enjoy it while you have it, but nothing lasts forever, and you can't take it with you.
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Post by brutalis on Aug 15, 2018 8:03:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I still love me some paper, but I'm good with the digital. Love my iPad; "It's just an iPhone without the phone" Yes, butter it's 8-1/2" x 11" and perfect for carrying around. Honestly, it was almost like starting over with comics (in a good way) when I started reading digitally. I use a Kindle reader and it comes in handy for trips and such so you aren't lugging around a box of comics everywhere you go and risk losing or damaging them. Blowing up the panels is fun as well and another advantage is being able to buy and read comics that I might not otherwise be able to afford doing so. I have a nice run of Phantom comics which in printed collections runs $40 and up but the digital collection versions were all less than $5. I have Archie and Star Trek Collections on CD-ROM that i can keep as my own forever and upload to new computers or readers as I go along and/or upgrade. Very handy!
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