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Post by Crimebuster on Jul 18, 2018 13:46:22 GMT -5
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Post by shaxper on Jul 18, 2018 14:55:35 GMT -5
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Post by shaxper on Jul 18, 2018 15:07:29 GMT -5
10:20 Link to the research I did on this: In Search of a True First Appearance of Donna TroyAnd, speaking of crazy eyes...  12:03 The Teen Titans were definitely not ear-marked for their own book as of #54 (Haney concedes in the letter column to Teen Titans #1 that the first appearance wasn't intended as anything more than a one-time team-up). I discuss this in more detail here. By #60, though, it was certainly likely. 14:56 Don't forget Wonder Girl's reply to her mother's warning:  I think I need to come back and talk Titans with you, Scott  |
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Post by brutalis on Jul 19, 2018 8:16:30 GMT -5
Another superior and interesting discussion! Thanks guys for the entertainment:D
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 19, 2018 14:39:33 GMT -5
I wish I'd seen this earlier!
I'm waiting for my niece to get ready because I'm taking her for a belated birthday lunch at a ramen restaurant we both like. (It's my favorite restaurant in Chino Hills!)
She sometimes takes a long time to get ready. But I doubt I'll be able to listen to very much of the podcast before she's ready.
But I'll listen to it later! I read all these stories online after listening to the first part. I hope I can remember enough to contribute to the discussion.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 19, 2018 19:58:51 GMT -5
That Supergirl/Wonder Woman team-up is one of those WHACKY WHACKY WHACKY comics that I love. Maybe not quite in the same league as The Brave and the Bold #78 (with Batman, Wonder Woman and Batgirl), but that one's hard to beat.
The Separated Man is such a charming weird blob of ground beef. I love those early Teen Titans version of Wonder Girl so much, but I don't think she does the frug in this one, nor does she grab things with her ponytail.
I always thought Metamorpho looked so cool in those Bronze Age comics where I sometimes came across him. But I usually find his Silver Age appearances very disappointing, except for the Ramona Fradon art.
I also noted the vomit-inducing paternalism in the Batman/Green Arrow team-up with the American Indian who had to learn how to be an Indian from two dorky white super-heroes. So he bad Indian must have killed all the Indians who could have helped with that? Did he use smallpox-tainted blankets provided by the Department of Indian Affairs?
I thought it was kind of cool that the Time Commander was a sort of repeat villain for Batman and Green Lantern together. It's too bad the stories were … not good.
I love The Metal Men! I really like the Metal Men/Metamorpho team-up quite a bit, but I don't like the one with the Atom at all.
And to be perfectly honest, I'm having trouble remembering most of the other issues from this run. A lot of it is forgettable.
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Post by Rob Allen on Jul 20, 2018 12:18:09 GMT -5
The only issue of this run that I bought when it came out was #53, Atom & Flash with art by Alex Toth. I remember liking the art more than I liked most DCs, but the story was less plausible than contemporary Marvels.
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Post by Crimebuster on Jul 20, 2018 16:39:12 GMT -5
One thing that struck me listening to this again that I really wanted to note since I didn't think to mention it in the podcast, is regarding how stupid the plan in #70 is. Hawkman's huge idea to confuse and trick the bad guy is to disguise himself as an alien. So the bad guy is all, a-ha! I know something nobody else does! Hawkman is an alien! So Hawnkman successfully tricks the guy into think he's an alien. Here's the problem with this, which I think you have all also realized: Hawkman ACTUALLY IS AN ALIEN.  |
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 20, 2018 17:00:40 GMT -5
One thing that struck me listening to this again that I really wanted to note since I didn't think to mention it in the podcast, is regarding how stupid the plan in #70 is. Hawkman's huge idea to confuse and trick the bad guy is to disguise himself as an alien. So the bad guy is all, a-ha! I know something nobody else does! Hawkman is an alien! So Hawnkman successfully tricks the guy into think he's an alien. Here's the problem with this, which I think you have all also realized: Hawkman ACTUALLY IS AN ALIEN. Or as the Airquotes President would say, "Hawkman isn't not not an alien. He's inalienable." |
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Post by MDG on Jul 23, 2018 11:18:56 GMT -5
One thing that struck me listening to this again that I really wanted to note since I didn't think to mention it in the podcast, is regarding how stupid the plan in #70 is. Hawkman's huge idea to confuse and trick the bad guy is to disguise himself as an alien. So the bad guy is all, a-ha! I know something nobody else does! Hawkman is an alien! So Hawnkman successfully tricks the guy into think he's an alien. Here's the problem with this, which I think you have all also realized: Hawkman ACTUALLY IS AN ALIEN. Yeah, but he's an alien who looks like another white guy, so... not really? |
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jul 27, 2018 14:53:33 GMT -5
Ok I listened to the first parts:
Metamorpho is, of course, awesome. I don't think he was Bob Haney's favorite - I never got a sense that Haney cared about superheroes at all and Haney (according to his interview with the Comics Journal? I think?) forgot writing Metamorpho in the '70s.
# 60 is a classic for the ages.
# 61 and # 62 had really interesting bad guys. You guys didn't even mention the Sportsmaster! My very favorite thing about Starman is a callback to these issues of B& B. I had read issue # 61. Then I (unfortunately) read Starman. And then I went back and read B & B 61-62 (reprinted in the Multiple Earths Team-Up TPB) and... Murphy Anderson draws Canary and STarman as really physically affectionate. It definitely looks like they could be bonin' from the art... And I never would have noticed this if I hadn't read Starman. This is basically my favorite use of comic continuity ever.
# 63. I think about this one a lot.
I assume that because their were two female leads the creative team decided that their audience was girls. Girls like romance comics. So this isn't so much a superhero story as a bunch of romance comic tropes. And I'm not arguing that this is 20 pages of the most weirdly sexist comic ever, but the ending could be perceived as kind of empowering, if you squint. I have a lot of affection for this issue because it's just so... freaking... odd.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2018 8:48:32 GMT -5
For the Record -- I don't listen to any podcast(s) because of my severe hearing handicap -- I'm deaf in one ear and hard of hearing in another and I do hear okay with one hearing aid and have excellent lip reading skills. But, I found the complete story of Supergirl and Wonder Woman in the internet and I want to share it with all of you here. Revolt of the Super Chicks is shown here by this link. Enjoy Members and I just wanted to let everyone here that I found it. |
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Post by beccabear67 on Sept 29, 2018 0:38:50 GMT -5
Just enjoyed this, finally, will have to check out part 1 as I had maybe every other issue of this era of the title. I did fast forward past some issues I never had, but not all, just what didn't seem too interesting to me. I remember recognizing the John Rosenberger art in that Supergirl and Wonder Woman one as I had a bunch of his The Fly and Fly Girl and even a couple issues of The Jaguar (one with Cat Girl throwing dishes at him). Also interesting that Johnny Craig turned up for one issue, and Dick Giordano (and before that Alex Toth)! I had all those. Only ever had the fist Starman and Black Canary so now I know how it ended I guess. That Bob Haney was a strange guy! I flipped through the appropriate DC fan wikia pages while listening. Some of these I never saw even the covers for them before, and some only small in an ad in some other '60s DC comic. Oh yeah, and if anyone wants a new guest commentator...  |
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