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Post by Jesse on Oct 21, 2017 15:59:20 GMT -5
Whether they are spot on or the updated versions lack something that made the original unique and interesting, how are classic characters being depicted in modern comics compared to their older appearances? For example when Geoff Johns brought back Shazam! is was a darker bratty version of Billy Batson and while I enjoyed that run it was still missing something that made “the Big Red Cheese” fun. On the other hand the version of Captain Marvel that appeared in Grant Morrison's The Multiversity was much closer to the classic version I wanted to read about. Some other examples are Johnny Thunder recently appeared in DC Rebirth one of the few people who remember the original Justice Society. What lies in store for the return of these characters we don't yet know at this point.  In the recent issue of New Super-Man #16 the writer Gene Luen Yang uses the character Slam Bradley to comment on the way Asians were depicted the Golden Age of comics.   I'm curious to see other examples as well as reading peoples thoughts on how classic characters are currently being depicted whether they enjoy or dislike them. |
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Post by mikelmidnight on Oct 22, 2017 11:26:56 GMT -5
That's very unfair to Siegel & Schuster.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 22, 2017 11:42:01 GMT -5
That's very unfair to Siegel & Schuster. How is it unfair to Siegel & Schuster? |
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Post by mikelmidnight on Oct 24, 2017 11:58:33 GMT -5
Despite the visual depictions none of their characters were that sort of racist, and they themselves were total Roosevelt democrats.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 24, 2017 13:45:44 GMT -5
Despite the visual depictions none of their characters were that sort of racist, and they themselves were total Roosevelt democrats.   The story is referring to this story specifically and to Yellow Peril stories in general that appeared throughout media from the mid-1800s through the first half of the 20th Century. Those Roosevelt Democrats made no attempts to repeal The Chinese Exclusion Act until 1943 and then only because we were allied with China against Japan. Were Siegel & Shuster racist? I don't know. But that Slam Bradley story definitely is. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Oct 24, 2017 14:28:47 GMT -5
Despite the visual depictions none of their characters were that sort of racist, and they themselves were total Roosevelt democrats. The story is referring to this story specifically and to Yellow Peril stories in general that appeared throughout media from the mid-1800s through the first half of the 20th Century. Those Roosevelt Democrats made no attempts to repeal The Chinese Exclusion Act until 1943 and then only because we were allied with China against Japan. Were Siegel & Shuster racist? I don't know. But that Slam Bradley story definitely is. Leave it to you to be able to find the exact story that was being referenced Untitled |
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Post by Jesse on Oct 24, 2017 14:40:37 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that story is "The Streets Of Chinatown" from Detective Comics #1.  |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 24, 2017 16:05:55 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure that story is "The Streets Of Chinatown" from Detective Comics #1. Yep. The very first Slam Bradley story. With that very subtle Fu Manchu cover. I was couldn't find this particular image easily. This is a doozy.  |
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Post by Jesse on Oct 24, 2017 22:29:13 GMT -5
There were at least two versions of The Phantom being published simultaneously within the last few years. One of them was written Peter David and I haven't read it since it first came out but honestly I felt it was as close to the classic version as I remembered. It's a pretty fun action adventure story for those interested and I think Herman and Geer are still occasionally publishing stories featuring this version.  The other version was published by Dynamite Entertainment and was part of their King shared universe and featured appearances from Mandrake the Magician and Flash Gordon. The man behind the mask was a completely different character and it may have been the first time a POC character donned the role of The Phantom. I think it was only a four issue mini series though and I'm not sure they've done anything else with this version of the character. I thought it was an interesting modern take and was also enjoying the Flash Gordon run that this spun off of.  |
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Post by mikelmidnight on Oct 25, 2017 13:18:11 GMT -5
Well ... point taken!
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Post by Jesse on Oct 25, 2017 14:20:55 GMT -5
Speaking of Flash Gordon the Jeff Parker run that Dynamite published a few years ago although short lived was really fun and managed to update the character without losing what made the original interesting.  I wasn't aware of it until I looked it up but it seems they did a follow up that also features the other King characters recently that I will have to look for. Has anyone read the Kings Cross mini series and is it worth picking up for those who enjoyed the initial run?  |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 25, 2017 14:43:19 GMT -5
Speaking of Flash Gordon the Jeff Parker run that Dynamite published a few years ago although short lived was really fun and managed to update the character without losing what made the original interesting. I wasn't aware of it until I looked it up but it seems they did a follow up that also features the other King characters recently that I will have to look for. Has anyone read the Kings Cross mini series and is it worth picking up for those who enjoyed the initial run? Parker and Shaner are absolute gold. And that was a crazy fun book. |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 25, 2017 14:48:28 GMT -5
I hope I didn't come across as combative. I've loved Slam Bradley since Detective 500 and I took the moniker long before he was revived by Brubaker and Cooke. I've also done a lot of research in Yellow Peril lit. I've actually toyed with doing a revisionist Fu Manchu casting him as a freedom fighter and Dennis Nayland Smith and Petrie as colonialist villains. |
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Post by berkley on Oct 25, 2017 23:46:59 GMT -5
I hope I didn't come across as combative. I've loved Slam Bradley since Detective 500 and I took the moniker long before he was revived by Brubaker and Cooke. I've also done a lot of research in Yellow Peril lit. I've actually toyed with doing a revisionist Fu Manchu casting him as a freedom fighter and Dennis Nayland Smith and Petrie as colonialist villains. Do it! Great idea. I should probably ask this in the Books thread, but anyway - any recommendations for books on the subject of the Yellow Peril? |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 26, 2017 10:20:19 GMT -5
I hope I didn't come across as combative. I've loved Slam Bradley since Detective 500 and I took the moniker long before he was revived by Brubaker and Cooke. I've also done a lot of research in Yellow Peril lit. I've actually toyed with doing a revisionist Fu Manchu casting him as a freedom fighter and Dennis Nayland Smith and Petrie as colonialist villains. Do it! Great idea. I should probably ask this in the Books thread, but anyway - any recommendations for books on the subject of the Yellow Peril? For fiction, Fu is the archetype and a huge part of Rohmer's output is in the genre. The Yellow Danger by M. P. Shiel, " The Unparalleled Invasion" by Jack London, and Sixth Column by Robert A. Heinlein will also get you started. For non-fiction Yellow Peril!: An Archive of Anti-Asian Fear by John Kuo Wei Tchen is a good collection of essays that cover various aspects of anti-Asian sentiment going back to the enlightenment. I haven't read it yet but I want to look at The Yellow Peril: Dr. Fu Manchu and the Rise of Chinaphobia by Christopher Frayling. |
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