bran
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Post by bran on Aug 17, 2017 15:07:00 GMT -5
Vampi can be fun but it can be total bore, it ain't necessarily adult (except just for her outfit). This poster (Excelsior) describes it pretty well: https://www.reddit.com/r/comicbooks/comments/1u5wwr/whats_the_deal_with_vampirella/Regarding Warren run - seek for Archie Goodwin and Doug Moench stories. Speaking of Doug Moench.. If you are looking for a more adult comics - here is one I can wholeheartedly recommend:
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 17:29:29 GMT -5
Caroline Munro would be excellent as Vampirella ... If only they'd made a Batman movie in the 70s, she could have been a perfect Talia too, especially if you reunited her with Christopher Lee as Ra's Al Ghul.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 17:45:06 GMT -5
Caroline Munro would be excellent as Vampirella ... If only they'd made a Batman movie in the 70s, she could have been a perfect Talia too, especially if you reunited her with Christopher Lee as Ra's Al Ghul. Man, you are right on the nose and I would say this ... Christopher Lee would make a fantastic Ra's Al Ghul because I just watched ... James Bond Movie ... Man with the Golden Gun and with Caroline being a bit younger back then and seeing her in another James Bond Movie ... Spy Who Loved Me, Man, that's movie would be one one of heck of a ride and I would love to see it. Thanks for pointing it out!
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 31, 2019 10:22:19 GMT -5
Just found out today this exists. Will be ordering the HC since the issues are outrageous. Maybe this will spark some interest in either getting more Vampirella or Aliens comics to add to my collection since I haven't been interested in super-hero comics lately.
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Post by zaku on Oct 31, 2019 10:53:12 GMT -5
To this day, I couldn't tell you her origin! A couple of years ago I read a Vampirella story where the vagueness of her origin was actually a plot point. She had to explore all her "origins" to find which was the right one.
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Post by badwolf on Oct 31, 2019 13:27:44 GMT -5
I read the first Vampirella Archives not long ago and was a little disappointed. Apart from Tom Sutton and a couple other good artists, most of it was mediocre, and some stories didn't even make sense. It didn't compare to the Eerie or Creepy that I've read. Does the magazine get better?
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Post by MDG on Oct 31, 2019 13:39:11 GMT -5
I read the first Vampirella Archives not long ago and was a little disappointed. Apart from Tom Sutton and a couple other good artists, most of it was mediocre, and some stories didn't even make sense. It didn't compare to the Eerie or Creepy that I've read. Does the magazine get better? I've only read a little Vampirella from this time, but post-Archie Goodwin the Warrens seemed to be flailing for a while. A lot of the writing was people early in their career (Sutton, Nic Cuti, Don Glut) and they probably could've used a stronger editorial hand. And many of the top tier artists like Wood, Crandall, Ditko, Toth were out of the picture for a while.
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Post by shaxper on Oct 31, 2019 14:20:03 GMT -5
It's super easy to find inexpensive issues of the original Warren run, and many of those issues are phenomenal. The Vampirella A stories in many of those issues are installments in a long running soap opera where you didn't really need to be there for the beginning, nor the ending. Each issue provides an easy jumping on point. The B stories are stand alone horror stories unrelated to Vampirella that usually trump the A stories. I've seldom read an issue of Warren Vampirella that I didn't enjoy.
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Post by profh0011 on Oct 31, 2019 14:47:04 GMT -5
If you want to read the Vampirella series, by all means, read the story in the 1st issue (which is a semi-comedy), then prepare for the jolt in #8 when Archie Goodwin manages to do a soft reboot without changing most of the details. I've almost never seen anyone do a thing like that. Archie only wrote 8 episodes, but, to this day, they remain among my favorite Vampi stories EVER done. This is both the ones with Tom Sutton art, and, the ones when Jose Gonzales comes onboard.
After that, it meanders a bit, until Steve Englehart arrives. Steve was at the top of his game back then, which makes it infuriating to me that he only did a few issues before being kicked off under circumstances that I find far more suspicious than he apparently does. (I believe he's more "forgiving" than I am.)
When the dust settled, Flaxman Loew did a rather long stream of nice adventures with Vampi & Pendragon roaming the world... but they're all just stand-alone stories, and the forward thrust of the narrative just ISN'T THERE anymore until Loew was finally replaced.
There's a mix of ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS and dreadfully tedious stories after that; I'd rate Bill DuBay and Gerry Boudreau as the 2 best writers later on... and Bill DuBay as the single WORST writer later on. I think you can see the problem there. Between Jose Gonzalez & Gonzalo Mayo, there's TONS of stunningly fabulous art. Anyone else... well, nothing really bad, but myself, I could have done without ALL the ones done by Rudy Nebres. (Oh well.)
As for the anthology horror... the early issues were at a point when Warren was a low point financially, and he'd lost nearly all his best talent. About the time Archie Goodwin came back, things picked up, and not long after, the SPANISH artists arrive... OOOOH.
As for the writing, well... you either like this stuff or you don't. To me, I'll always prefer the Warren horror stories to ANYTHING EC Comics ever did (apart from MAD).
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Post by profh0011 on Oct 31, 2019 14:54:03 GMT -5
To this day, I couldn't tell you her origin! A couple of years ago I read a Vampirella story where the vagueness of her origin was actually a plot point. She had to explore all her "origins" to find which was the right one. I'm gonna take a guess this wasn't from Warren.
Myself... I DON'T COUNT anything after Warren shut down as mattering at all. To me, it's an entirely separate universe and continuity... and one I have absolutely ZERO interest in.
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Post by badwolf on Oct 31, 2019 15:28:29 GMT -5
Incidentally, Vampirella #1 was one of the facsimile reprints I saw at my comic shop the other day.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Oct 31, 2019 15:53:43 GMT -5
If you want to read the Vampirella series, by all means, read the story in the 1st issue (which is a semi-comedy), then prepare for the jolt in #8 when Archie Goodwin manages to do a soft reboot without changing most of the details. I've almost never seen anyone do a thing like that. Archie only wrote 8 episodes, but, to this day, they remain among my favorite Vampi stories EVER done. This is both the ones with Tom Sutton art, and, the ones when Jose Gonzales comes onboard. After that, it meanders a bit, until Steve Englehart arrives. Steve was at the top of his game back then, which makes it infuriating to me that he only did a few issues before being kicked off under circumstances that I find far more suspicious than he apparently does. (I believe he's more "forgiving" than I am.) When the dust settled, Flaxman Loew did a rather long stream of nice adventures with Vampi & Pendragon roaming the world... but they're all just stand-alone stories, and the forward thrust of the narrative just ISN'T THERE anymore until Loew was finally replaced. There's a mix of ABSOLUTELY FABULOUS and dreadfully tedious stories after that; I'd rate Bill DuBay and Gerry Boudreau as the 2 best writers later on... and Bill DuBay as the single WORST writer later on. I think you can see the problem there. Between Jose Gonzalez & Gonzalo Mayo, there's TONS of stunningly fabulous art. Anyone else... well, nothing really bad, but myself, I could have done without ALL the ones done by Rudy Nebres. (Oh well.) As for the anthology horror... the early issues were at a point when Warren was a low point financially, and he'd lost nearly all his best talent. About the time Archie Goodwin came back, things picked up, and not long after, the SPANISH artists arrive... OOOOH.As for the writing, well... you either like this stuff or you don't. To me, I'll always prefer the Warren horror stories to ANYTHING EC Comics ever did (apart from MAD). Totally agree with you there, of all the issues I've read of the Warren mag. I can't remember any issues being a slouch in the art department. Though I do wish Sutton would/could have done more issues. Despite all the other artists being phenomenal I would have loved to see more of him.
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Post by brutalis on Oct 31, 2019 17:15:12 GMT -5
There were stories to follow in Vampirella? I thought all we young guys did back then was look at the art?!?
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Post by rberman on Nov 1, 2019 8:22:38 GMT -5
I was surprised by the quality of the art, especially from Jose Gonzalez. Why didn't regular (Code) comics rise to this level of excellence? Did Jose Gonzalez and his like find more lucrative work outside of comics? Some of the panels, done in photorealistic charcoal rather than pen and ink, seem to have been beamed in from another series.
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Post by profh0011 on Nov 1, 2019 17:03:41 GMT -5
I got the Harris (I think) fascimile reprint of #1. As I also had the real #1, I was able to compare side-by-side. VERY good... but, and you probably only notice this if you do compare both side-by-side, the reprint was SLIGHTLY less good with the printing. Still wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better tha 98% of Marvel reprints of anything.
A main point was, it was reprinted at the same size of the original. Harris did a TPB of Goodwin's run, and shrunk them to "comic-book" size. Plus, they slapped a Paul Gulacy cover on it. I love Gulacy's art, but he had NO business doing that cover when Sanjulian was still around!
I'll always have a soft spot for Sutton's Vampi, probably because my first Vampi story was one of his... "Who Serves The Cause Of Chaos?", Archie's first episode!! Here's the crazy part... my Mom got this for me... as a MEXICAN reprint. So it was all in Spanish... with really miserable coloring added. Sutton's visual storytelling was SO good, SO clear, I had no trouble following what was going on, even though I couldn't understand the words. He also depicted a Vampi who was warm and vulnerable, and just so easy to fall in love with (never mind what she looked like or that she wore such a skimpy outfit-- heehee).
I've read that Sutton was "greatly relieved" when Warren found someone "much better" to replace him. At one of the FB groups I'm in, just the other day, someone posted an article about the day Jim Warren's secretary coerced him into staying late at the office to meet an agent who was visiting from SPAIN, Jose Toutain... and before the afternoon was over, Warren MISSED a date he was supposed to be going on, and never saw the woman again. He felt he'd FOUND the artist he'd been looking for to draw Vampi for 2 years, with Jose Gonzales!!
"There were stories to follow in Vampirella? I thought all we young guys did back then was look at the art?!?"
I'm in 2 different FB groups where fans collect multiple foreign editions of US comics. I don't see the point myself, I only buy foreign comics that have never been reprinted in English. (I'm translating foreign POE comics adaptations into English for my blog. I have strange ideas of "fun".)
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