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Post by wildfire2099 on Aug 7, 2017 20:12:09 GMT -5
Just a quick comment about social media... those you reach and 'impress' on most of those platforms are not really new customers... you might make them into fans, but the majority of those who consume most of their entertainment that way are not willing to pay for it, as the huge history of 'cult hits' that claim big followings but no sales can attest.
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Post by Nowhere Man on Aug 8, 2017 9:04:24 GMT -5
The only way I can see mainstream comics ever seeing a resurgence is if Marvel and DC abandons the high-price, collector market and embraces a "disposable" digital focused publishing agenda. Basically, try to bring back the old newsstand and spinner rack impulse buying habits by making sure their comics are on platforms that kids frequent, not just Comixology and Marvel Unlimited. They're going to have to abandon the specialty shops, I'm afraid. At this point, they're little more than a hindrance when you can buy all your back issues and trades online.
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Post by brutalis on Aug 8, 2017 9:31:28 GMT -5
The only way I can see mainstream comics ever seeing a resurgence is if Marvel and DC abandons the high-price, collector market and embraces a "disposable" digital focused publishing agenda. Basically, try to bring back the old newsstand and spinner rack impulse buying habits by making sure their comics are on platforms that kids frequent, not just Comixology and Marvel Unlimited. They're going to have to abandon the specialty shops, I'm afraid. At this point, they're little more than a hindrance when you can buy all your back issues and trades online. Indeed! My current monthly buying is few and far between now versus when a teen and "addicted" trying to buy whatever I liked and could afford. There are so many more comics I purchased and read then and traded away or resold to LCS's later for credit to buy more. Today my pull list has 1-2 Marvel/DC and then several independents. I would buy more if they cost less but with the cost of today versus the pleasure that is derived it just isn't worth it. I can lose myself in a movie for 2 hours for $8 or buy 2 comics and be done in 10 minutes. I can buy a television season of 13-22 episodes for $10-20 and have 13-22 hours of joy versus again 10 minutes of reading. Cost vs value is why so many are trade waiting anymore. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 11:24:34 GMT -5
And then there is this little piece of joy on Kingdom Insider, a Disney focused news/gossip site much like BC is to comics. He speculates recent deals to license Marvel comics properties to Archie for digests and all ages Star Wars comics to IDW may be a test to see if turning the Marvel library into a license library for others to publish (like they do with Disney comics) is a viable option for Disney and whether it would be more profitable for them to do that and dissolve Marvel as an in-house publisher. It's pure speculation at this point, but consistent with how Disney has handled other brands and properties under their umbrella. -M |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 9, 2017 6:09:17 GMT -5
force writers to stop their nut baggy-partisan nonsence on twitter etc.
get editors/creators to spend over 70% of their free time aside from bills/sleep/eating/etc. to be on their COMICS work.
which of as the past year, AIN'T happenin'.
anyone who spends more than 30% of their available time tweeting about hillary or trump or any politics AIN'T a comics writer. or artist .
politics ain't comics.
apples ain't oranges.
can't sell old moldy apples to potential customers asking for ORANGES.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Aug 9, 2017 7:19:30 GMT -5
Highly disagree with that  |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Aug 9, 2017 10:23:33 GMT -5
force writers to stop their nut baggy-partisan nonsence on twitter etc. get editors/creators to spend over 70% of their free time aside from bills/sleep/eating/etc. to be on their COMICS work. which of as the past year, AIN'T happenin'. anyone who spends more than 30% of their available time tweeting about hillary or trump or any politics AIN'T a comics writer. or artist . politics ain't comics. apples ain't oranges. can't sell old moldy apples to potential customers asking for ORANGES. So you're in favor of corporate slavery. |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 1:44:42 GMT -5
force writers to stop their nut baggy-partisan nonsence on twitter etc. get editors/creators to spend over 70% of their free time aside from bills/sleep/eating/etc. to be on their COMICS work. which of as the past year, AIN'T happenin'. anyone who spends more than 30% of their available time tweeting about hillary or trump or any politics AIN'T a comics writer. or artist . politics ain't comics. apples ain't oranges. can't sell old moldy apples to potential customers asking for ORANGES. So you're in favor of corporate slavery. i could never be in favour of any form of slavery at all. too many people apart from this board have iPhones which could be argued by many people are the product of slavery, as stated on N.P.R. in fact, android phones might suffer the same allegations. i wonder how many board members here post with an iPhone or Android... yet question 'corporate slavery'. there's a wide berth between doing what you're priveleged to do, without going off your nut for your own gratification, which is not paid for by a contract a freelancer signs, and 'slavery'. in modern times, as someone with your credentials would know, no slave is offered a contract and is free to sign, or not sign, that contact. |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 2:04:58 GMT -5
Highly disagree with that well, there's that, yes. but I think if we define our stances on the issue we might disagree less, or find common-ground. For example, Marshall Law by Epic was highly political, but the politics were an aspect of the series, the entire reason for it being extant at all, not merely the writer and illustrator using politics to 'sell the book' or bolster failing sales. Yet it was, in it's way, enjoyable even if a reader couldn't give a rotten fig about politics. Which is the way I felt about the original V for Vendetta: a story which is fascinating on it's own and well written on its own and superbly-drawn on its own sans politic s. Though I feel 'V' is more philosophical than political. The politics were a backdrop. Much like Miracleman, by Moore. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Aug 10, 2017 5:19:08 GMT -5
Sure, I agree with yor exemples... But how about mine then? How could you read that work without foremost thinking about it as a political work, in the sense of those old Costa Gavras movies with Yves Montand? And yet, it is IMHO one crown achievement of both Moore and Sienkiewicz, one of the most important US comics ever, in so many ways.
I think that some of Kyle Baker recent work falls in the same category, and so would obviously all three volumes of March from Rep. Lewis.
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 5:29:10 GMT -5
Sure, I agree with yor exemples... But how about mine then? How could you read that work without foremost thinking about it as a political work, in the sense of those old Costa Gavras movies with Yves Montand? And yet, it is IMHO one crown achievement of both Moore and Sienkiewicz, one of the most important US comics ever, in so many ways. I think that some of Kyle Baker recent work falls in the same category, and so would obviously all three volumes of March from Rep. Lewis. well, 1st off, GREAT counter reply and much appreciated  in answering, i always believe the personal is the political, stemming from experience which leads to philosophy which leads to politics. that's just me. so i look at the Miller/Sienkiewicz Daredevil graphic novel as being more political, as at least it dealt with mental illness (i mean the Kingpin's own and the 'guy in the closet' from that publication) as a major issue without 'being on the nose', as too many wannabe screenwriters say to excuse their lack of plotting skills or love of Warhol 'films', lol. please don't hate me,  |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Aug 10, 2017 6:46:51 GMT -5
I don't hate, you, but all your exemples indeed have more or less hidden politics, while those I used as exemple don't hide anything: politics is the subject, and those work also have an opinion, and are comics, and great ones. All am sayin'. So yes, comics can be foremost poliical and still be great comics |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 9:45:48 GMT -5
I don't hate, you, but all your exemples indeed have more or less hidden politics, while those I used as exemple don't hide anything: politics is the subject, and those work also have an opinion, and are comics, and great ones. All am sayin'. So yes, comics can be foremost poliical and still be great comics d'accord though i diagree that the politics were 'hidden'. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Aug 10, 2017 9:50:48 GMT -5
I don't hate, you, but all your exemples indeed have more or less hidden politics, while those I used as exemple don't hide anything: politics is the subject, and those work also have an opinion, and are comics, and great ones. All am sayin'. So yes, comics can be foremost poliical and still be great comics d'accord though i diagree that the politics were 'hidden'. yes, more or less hidden, as I doubt Miller and Sienkiewicz told their edtor they were about to create a political pamphlet. |
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Post by LovesGilKane on Aug 10, 2017 9:55:42 GMT -5
d'accord though i diagree that the politics were 'hidden'. yes, more or less hidden, as I doubt Miller and Sienkiewicz told their edtor they were about to create a political pamphlet. love that reply. but disagree. true politics are what the public 'see' and decide themselves from what they see. vox populi. 'hidden' is bureaucracy, masquerading as politics. |
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