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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 19, 2018 21:09:15 GMT -5
I like to see more of a less pretentious and fairly cheap comic aimed at regular kids, I guess because that's what I grew up with. Maybe with the cost of printing today and unionized distribution and shipping that's a bit of an uphill struggle though. Value for money with activity pages and maybe reader interactive bits would help though too. Also something not tied into a tv series or toy, because comics used to be the place where a lot of things started not just an add-on to something from another medium.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 21:10:13 GMT -5
Hmmm, this could be interesting... Marvel, DC and Others Persuade Comic Stores to Put Spinner Racks in Other BusinessesI am curious how this will pan out. There are pros and cons I see here-pros it puts comics where people are outside the traditional direct market, cons-shops could use it as a place to dump poor sellers rather than stocking it with stuff readers might buy creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure for the endeavor, especially if the pop up location buys the books outright from the comic shop rather than a consignment deal. Poor initial sales or experiences are disincentive for pop up locations to re-up on the deal after 6 months, and the books are still non-returnable so someone gets stuck with boos that don't sell, especially if they get beat up form browsers bending and flipping through books on a spinner rack. Fingers crossed this does well and is a good thing for expanding readership, but I can see lots of ways for it to go wrong too. -M
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 19, 2018 21:19:26 GMT -5
cons-shops could use it as a place to dump poor sellers rather than stocking it with stuff readers might buy creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure for the endeavor -M But wouldn't a lot of what comic specialists can't sell as well be the kind of thing that would sell to a more general audience? I remember Marvel's Star line, and other than Peter Porker, The Spectacular Spider-Ham, they were kind of a hard sell in those shops if they bothered to carry the others at all (I made sure one at least got Meet Misty). If the shops aren't going to be more bright and open (and keep the giant muscled leering creature cut outs and posters out of the windows) then this could be the next best thing. Also, how about recycled paper to keep prices down (oh, and for the environment, yeah that too)? Seems like a lot of those huge selling Japanese weeklies have that kind of paper and most end up right back in the recycle boxes with people buying smaller collected volumes of individual series they want to have around.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 22:30:05 GMT -5
cons-shops could use it as a place to dump poor sellers rather than stocking it with stuff readers might buy creating a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure for the endeavor -M But wouldn't a lot of what comic specialists can't sell as well be the kind of thing that would sell to a more general audience? I remember Marvel's Star line, and other than Peter Porker, The Spectacular Spider-Ham, they were kind of a hard sell in those shops if they bothered to carry the others at all (I made sure one at least got Meet Misty). If the shops aren't going to be more bright and open (and keep the giant muscled leering creature cut outs and posters out of the windows) then this could be the next best thing. Also, how about recycled paper to keep prices down (oh, and for the environment, yeah that too)? Seems like a lot of those huge selling Japanese weeklies have that kind of paper and most end up right back in the recycle boxes with people buying smaller collected volumes of individual series they want to have around. Well now a lot of what is surplus is copies ordered to meet minimum requirement for variant covers. Some variants are 1 in 10, some 1 in 50, up to 1 in 1000. YOu have a customer who wants that 1 in 500 variant, you have to order 500 copies, if you only sell 100 in your shop, you got 400 copies leftover. You probably made your money back in the price of that variant, but you still have 400 copies of a book to sell. For many titles now, shops only order enough copies to cover pre-order/pull lists plus maybe 1 or 2 shelf copies unless it is a proven seller like say Batman or Spider-Man. Stuff like Star Comics now, many shops only order for pre-orders customers, so if no one preorders it, they don;t order any copies. It is very hard to find copies of the vast majority of comics on the shelves of comic shops these days unless you preorder it or it is a major event/1st issue/very popular character. This is one of the many reasons books have a hard time building audiences-there are no copies of it available for people to buy in print unless there are already big preorders for it. Occasionally a surprise seller will go back for a second printing (the way the new Ms. Marvel book did when it launched, it had 5 or 6 printings eventually), but this is a business that really only prints to order, retailers order x number of copies and only a few hundred to few thousand more than tat are printed to cover damages. Most stores do not order to have back issues available, they order to sell out before the next issue is released. What they will have as overstock is overorders for variants, or books they overestimated sales on for first through third issues (you can adjust orders for issue 4 of a monthly after you see sales for #1 but you have to order #2 and #3 before #1 comes out on monthly books the way Diamond is set up). Many retailer shave longboxes of that kind of overstock, they usually dump as bargain stock at cons and such, but if you can dump them on a pop up retailer for a better price, some will go for the quick buck even if it has long term negative effects. Not all, there are some really good retailers out there. But there are some bad ones too. I'd have more faith in the spinner rack pop up if there were standard terms and parameters for stocking them as part of the initiative, but Diamond is leaving that up to each individual retailer in hopes they can tailor something that works well in their community, and the ideal is good, but all it takes is some bad retailers to see the loopholes and abuse them to their own advantage even if someone else gets screwed for it all to come crashing down like a house of cards. -M
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 22:34:43 GMT -5
Oh and addendum, cheap anthologies on poorer paper have never caught on with audiences for American comics. Newsprint is now generally more expensive than regular paper and offset printers are hard to find to take large jobs on newsprint. Many printing companies no longer have the infrastructure to deal with newsprint, and/or lesser quality paper like much of the recycled paper choices available, and so it costs more to use those resources in terms of paying for it than you would save in terms of lesser prices for the paper, meaning there is little to no savings on actual production costs for using it for comics, which results in the same cover prices for lesser quality product for the most part.
-M
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Post by beccabear67 on Jun 20, 2018 0:53:19 GMT -5
Oh, I forgot about these alternate covers schemes. It's really gotten insane. Yeah, they'd be dumping all those pointless copies they had to sign up for to get one they could slap a $200 price onto. There oughta be a law!
I was kind of hoping there might be a cheap recycled stock maybe a bit better than the poor quality newsprint had gotten down to just before mando, baxter, and those other kinds became the new standards. Thanks for the info though!
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