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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 20:42:30 GMT -5
How long will you be leaving the HM open? I ask because I will be going to the beach Aug 11-13. To be honest most of my HM have already been mentioned...but I have one offbeat one I want to get on the list of HM! I was thinking of locking everything on August 15th, but I'm open on this. That's great. It gives me time to get in my HM. |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 6, 2017 23:12:30 GMT -5
At the end of Day 6, the top sagas are: Claremont's X-Men Gaiman's Sandman Cerebus: High Society V for Vendetta New Teen Titans: Judas Contrac Judge Dredd: Cursed Earth Watchmen Swamp Thing v. 1 #1-10 Elfquest, vol. 1 Kingdom Come Life & Times of Scrooge Of course, these will absolutely change as we continue  |
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 7, 2017 19:39:03 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't know how you can squeeze out 100 from all the entries. It doesn't seem like there are that many participants. Maybe next time, you can make it the top 25 sagas?
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 7, 2017 20:25:18 GMT -5
I think we'll get fairly close from the top 10 lists, but since the runners up are also worth points, if people do list even 10 runners up each, I bet we'll get to 100. I don't think any of my top 3 have appeared on any lists yet, though I'm sure one of them will be duplicated elsewhere.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Aug 7, 2017 21:07:19 GMT -5
- Elric
- Valerian
- The Authority # 1-4 +1
- The Death and Return of Superman +1
- Avengers # 16-25
- American Way #1-8
- Grimjack
- Gardener Fox's "Crisis"
- The Life & Times of Scrooge McDuck +2
- JLA: The Nail
- Detective Comics 469-476
- Kingdom Come +2
- Fantastic Four 1 - 102 +1
- Grendel - War Child #1-#10
- Chris Claremont x-men +3
- The Silver Surfer: The Ultimate Cosmic Experience
- Manhunter
- Solar Man of the Atom
- Judge Dredd: the Cursed Earth +1
- Captain America #247-255
- Maus
- I Am Legend
- John Byrne FF
- Elfquest +2
- Miracleman
- Green Lantern 76-87; 89
- Swamp Thing vol.1 +1
- Thanos Saga +1
- Corto Maltese
- The Spectre by John Ostrander +1
- Watchmen +2
- Teen Titans the Judas contract +1
- Golden Age
- Avengers #271, 273-277+1
- Superman: King of the World
- Planetary
- Bram Stoker's Dracula
- Donjon Zenith
- Zot
- Flash Gordon
- JLA The Unknown Soldier of Victory +1
- Daredevil #227-233.
- American Flagg
- Cerebus +1
- Box Office Poison
- The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
- Pluto
- Armor Wars
- V for Vendetta +1
- Lone Sloane
- Daredevil 168-182
- Aquaman: Death Of A Prince
- Ronin
- Prince Valiant
- Usagi Yojimbo +3
- Top 10
- Knightfall
- Marvels
- Sandman +1
- DC: The New Frontier
- Avengers # 211-230
- New Mutants #18-20
- Lucky in Love
- Doctor Strange: The Oath
- Gotham by Gaslight
- Thor #337-353
- Avengers 115, 116, 117, 118
- Metamorphosis Odyssey
- Saga of the Swamp Thing #20-64
- Avengers 89-97
- JLA Year One
- The Andes Saga
- Cap/Bucky issues 153, 154, 155, 156
- Will Eisner's Saga
- Doctor Strange by Ditko & Lee
- Astro City
- Preacher
- Batman Year One
- Tales Of Colossus
- Whatever happened to the man of tomorrow
- The Great Darkness Saga/losh +1
- Daredevil #353-365.
- Bone
- Age of Reptiles
- Unity Saga
- The Incal
- Pad's Supergirl
- Steve Englehart's Detective
- Adam Warlock
- Orc Treasure
- Starman
- Tor
- New Legion of Super Heroes
- List item 94
- List item 95
- List item 96
- List item 97
- List item 98
- List item 99
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We're nearly there and only on day seven(day nine) so with the honorable mentions we should have well more than 100. As an aside the above are not ranked, I just listed them as we went. |
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Post by shaxper on Aug 7, 2017 21:35:16 GMT -5
Yes, the math shows us EASILY getting over 100. My concern is that I don't want to see the list containing entries that are only there because one member ranked them as his/her #10. The honorable mentions will take care of that. They'll separate the sagas one person liked from the sagas many people like. And it is absolutely mathematically possible for a few honorable mentions to make the Top 10 if more than one person lists them. Maybe no one here loves "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" enough to place it in their top 10, but three people put it in their top 15.
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 7, 2017 21:40:02 GMT -5
I've got 50 on my list, so I'm happy to fill in all the spots with my expert opinion.
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Post by shaxper on Aug 7, 2017 21:43:27 GMT -5
As do I |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 22:18:36 GMT -5
As do I I stopped at 50 too. -M |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Aug 8, 2017 4:06:00 GMT -5
I don't even know what my next two will be yet.
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Post by Icctrombone on Aug 8, 2017 8:54:36 GMT -5
Yes, the math shows us EASILY getting over 100. My concern is that I don't want to see the list containing entries that are only there because one member ranked them as his/her #10. The honorable mentions will take care of that. They'll separate the sagas one person liked from the sagas many people like. And it is absolutely mathematically possible for a few honorable mentions to make the Top 10 if more than one person lists them. Maybe no one here loves "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow?" enough to place it in their top 10, but three people put it in their top 15. Is it possible that an honorable mention will place higher than one that placed at 10 ? |
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 8, 2017 9:12:09 GMT -5
Just wanted to clarify something since I think it's going to come up. 2. Larger run vs. individual story line: If some participants vote for a portion of a run (say "Kang War II") and others vote for the full run ("The Celestial Madonna" arc, which includes Kang Wars I and II, or even "Steve Englehart's run on Avengers," which includes all that and more), I will go with whichever one got more votes. In the case of a tie, it goes to whoever gives it the higher ranking. When the larger run wins out, there may be circumstances where one voter ranks two separate story lines that both fit into the larger run. In these circumstances, they only contribute points to that saga once (the higher of the rankings they provide). If both rankings count, it would create an unfair advantage. The highest you can rank a saga is #1 (giving it 20 points), but if you give X-Men: Days of Future Past #2 (18 points) and X-Men: Dark Phoenix Saga #6 (14 points), and the larger X-Men run gets the most votes, then one participant could contribute 32 total points to that saga, which is unfair to anyone who just votes for the saga as one nominee. So, a couple questions about this, just to clarify in my confused mind. I think I understand, I just want to make sure I have this right. If someone votes for a long run, but more people vote for a shorter saga within that run, the longer run will be counted as a vote for the smaller run, is that correct? Example: shaxper votes for Chris Claremont's entire X-Men run. Two other people vote for the Dark Phoenix Saga. shaxper's vote will be counted as a vote for Dark Phoenix. Two related questions! First, what happens in the case of ties? Let's say three people vote for Claremont's entire run, but three more people vote for Dark Phoenix. Will it just go to whichever of those six votes was the highest? Or is it an aggregate? For example - let's say The votes for Claremont's run are at 8, 7, and 5. The votes for Dark Phoenix are at 50, 31, and 4. Is Dark Phoenix going to win out since it had the highest individual vote, and therefore all six will be counted as Dark Phoenix? And do top ten votes have weighted importance for this purpose compared to honorable mentions? Just wondering, because a not-so-hypothetical situation similar to that Dark Phoenix question may come up, namely I seem to remember that last time, coke & comics listed Avengers #1-300 at or near the top of his list. Right now I think there are more votes for the Thanos Saga specifically. If i read the rules right, Thanos Saga will absorb Chris's vote into its total (even though the Thanos Saga only includes 2 issues of Avengers?).
However... let's say Chris votes for Avengers #1-300 at #1 on his list, and someone else lists Avengers #1-300 (or #1-285? or something?) at, I don't know, #50.
if Chris's vote wins the tie breaker, it will then absorb not only the Thanos Saga, but every single vote cast in the entire poll for any Avengers story! Like a giant snowball. So how the tie is broken could mean the difference between one run with 200 points, or 8 different runs with 25 points each I don't expect that to happen, but I was just wondering if I am reading it right. Final question! Let's say something like that does happen. If someone has votes invalidated due to their runs getting absorbed, do their other votes bump up a spot? What I mean is, let's say my list looks like this: 8. Dark Phoenix (13 points) 9. Mutant Massacre (12 points) 10. Prez (11 points) 11. Street Poet Ray (10 points) And someone votes for Chris Claremont's entire X-Men run at #1. Dark Phoenix and Mutant Massacre are both counted as part of the bigger run, so Mutant Massacre is worth no points. For the purposes of tabulating the score, is Prez still worth 11 points? Or do the lower rankings move up a slot move up a slot since Mutant Massacre was combined with Dark Phoenix? Like so: 8. Dark Phoenix (13 points) 9. Mutant Massacre (12 points)10. Prez (12 points) 11. Street Poet Ray (11 points) Just curious! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 10:24:14 GMT -5
Just wanted to clarify something since I think it's going to come up. 2. Larger run vs. individual story line: If some participants vote for a portion of a run (say "Kang War II") and others vote for the full run ("The Celestial Madonna" arc, which includes Kang Wars I and II, or even "Steve Englehart's run on Avengers," which includes all that and more), I will go with whichever one got more votes. In the case of a tie, it goes to whoever gives it the higher ranking. When the larger run wins out, there may be circumstances where one voter ranks two separate story lines that both fit into the larger run. In these circumstances, they only contribute points to that saga once (the higher of the rankings they provide). If both rankings count, it would create an unfair advantage. The highest you can rank a saga is #1 (giving it 20 points), but if you give X-Men: Days of Future Past #2 (18 points) and X-Men: Dark Phoenix Saga #6 (14 points), and the larger X-Men run gets the most votes, then one participant could contribute 32 total points to that saga, which is unfair to anyone who just votes for the saga as one nominee. So, a couple questions about this, just to clarify in my confused mind. I think I understand, I just want to make sure I have this right. If someone votes for a long run, but more people vote for a shorter saga within that run, the longer run will be counted as a vote for the smaller run, is that correct? Example: shaxper votes for Chris Claremont's entire X-Men run. Two other people vote for the Dark Phoenix Saga. shaxper's vote will be counted as a vote for Dark Phoenix. Two related questions! First, what happens in the case of ties? Let's say three people vote for Claremont's entire run, but three more people vote for Dark Phoenix. Will it just go to whichever of those six votes was the highest? Or is it an aggregate? There's also the question of what happens if say Chris voted for Avengers 1-300, someone else votes for the Mansion Siege and someone else votes for the Korvac Saga. Which of those other 2 votes does the 1-300 get absorbed into? Or does it count as 2 votes and go to both. -M |
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Post by Crimebuster on Aug 8, 2017 10:40:40 GMT -5
I think it would go just to whichever of those other ones was ranked higher.
but if it's the other way around, and Chris's is ranked higher - and all three have the same number of votes - then Chris's would absorb both of them.
If I am reading the rule right!
By the way, none of this is in any way a criticism of the rules. I'm totally fine with the rules as they are, just seeking some clarity since these questions occurred to me this morning.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 10:54:00 GMT -5
I think it would go just to whichever of those other ones was ranked higher. but if it's the other way around, and Chris's is ranked higher - and all three have the same number of votes - then Chris's would absorb both of them. If I am reading the rule right! By the way, none of this is in any way a criticism of the rules. I'm totally fine with the rules as they are, just seeking some clarity since these questions occurred to me this morning. My only concern is this...last time my vote for The Death of Thanos (Avengers Ann. 7/MTIO Annual 2) got folded in with The larger Thanos saga, which I get why it was done, but if I had known I was voting for the whole saga and not just those 2 issues, my ranking for it would have been significantly lower as there are parts of that larger saga I don't like as much and don't think stand up as well and make it a weaker overall story than just those 2 issues, and that would have affected the overall ranking of the the Saga because it likely moved it out of my top 10 and possibly out of my top 20. I vote for what I vote for, I am not voting for related or similar issues and if I were taking those similar/related issues into account it will likely affect how I rank what I want to vote for overall, and that affects the ranking of all the sagas because a few points can make a huge difference in the tallying. So I get why it's done for convenience sake, and I am not advocating a change, but it does affect the overall outcome oft he poll in many instances when people's votes are counted towards something they didn't actually vote for. -M |
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