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Post by tingramretro on May 22, 2017 13:19:01 GMT -5
I thought it was a very clunky way to illustrate the point, it was done alot better in the Titans, but I suppose that's due to the end result being different. Well, yes. It seems Jay's time has not yet come. But hopefully it won't be much longer. |
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Post by Golddragon71 on Jun 4, 2017 21:27:09 GMT -5
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 4, 2017 21:48:13 GMT -5
Geez.. why does DC hate the 3rd generation of their heroes so much... Wally, Kyle Rayner, Tim Drake, and Connor Hawke all really have gotten shafted since New 52... It's like they want to forget the 90s happened.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 4, 2017 22:55:36 GMT -5
Hope that's not what happens
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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 6, 2017 21:47:53 GMT -5
Bendis could very easily write a epic 9 part crossover event with tie-ins to explain a couple weird panels, so, yeah, I think he could. He was pretty good before he got his hands on the Marvel Universe, he's just too lazy to use other people's characters... they all become the same person when he writes them. Johns is worse, though. Johns is Batmite, a well-intentioned demi-god fanboy who idolizes comic book heroes like an awestruck five year old Bendis is Mtylzpix, the complete opposite end of the spectrum and really doesn't care who or what he destroys so long as it fits his long term vision of seemingly random and convoluted happenstance Note how these two comparisons are wholly interchangeable, especially considering how divided everyone in this thread is |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 7, 2017 8:45:24 GMT -5
Bendis could very easily write a epic 9 part crossover event with tie-ins to explain a couple weird panels, so, yeah, I think he could. He was pretty good before he got his hands on the Marvel Universe, he's just too lazy to use other people's characters... they all become the same person when he writes them. Johns is worse, though. Johns is Batmite, a well-intentioned demi-god fanboy who idolizes comic book heroes like an awestruck five year old Bendis is Mtylzpix, the complete opposite end of the spectrum and really doesn't care who or what he destroys so long as it fits his long term vision of seemingly random and convoluted happenstance Note how these two comparisons are wholly interchangeable, especially considering how divided everyone in this thread is Not interchangeable... I don't think Bendis is a fanboy, I think he's a good writer, actually. The problem is, like many writers, he has one good story/set of characters in him, and he just applies the same stories and personality to every character he writes. That was fine (and good, even) when he was creating his own characters, but it sucks when he's tearing down long established characters. Johns is definitely a fanboy that is just a bit more skilled that average. The Color spectrum thing was totally something that would be a fan fic, IMO. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 7, 2017 10:03:50 GMT -5
I don't think Bendis is a fanboy, I think he's a good writer, actually. The problem is, like many writers, he has one good story/set of characters in him, and he just applies the same stories and personality to every character he writes. That was fine (and good, even) when he was creating his own characters, but it sucks when he's tearing down long established characters. Johns is definitely a fanboy that is just a bit more skilled that average. The Color spectrum thing was totally something that would be a fan fic, IMO. I actually liked the whole color spectrum bit with Green Lantern. Yeah, Johns did go a tad overboard with it, but it was something that fit the series well. Certainly explained Sinestro's Quard ring and the Star Saphires a whole lot better And I think Bendis just got burnt out because he was a really good writer when he first started, to the point where it makes you wonder where he went wrong (like you pointed out) |
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Post by sabongero on Jun 8, 2017 15:09:33 GMT -5
Let's go Johns ! Haha. If it sucks, then Booooo Geoff Johns!!! If it's pretty good then, Hooray Geoff Johns!!! Haha.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 8, 2017 21:27:33 GMT -5
Let's go Johns ! Haha. If it sucks, then Booooo Geoff Johns!!! If it's pretty good then, Hooray Geoff Johns!!! Haha. Again, agreed. Yeah, I mean I get how Johns seems to romanticize DC's past glories a little too much, but isn't that what made the company so great to begin with? Relishing it's history so that the stories and characters could evolve naturally? I mean, heck! It worked for Marvel |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 8, 2017 22:11:32 GMT -5
Let's go Johns ! Haha. If it sucks, then Booooo Geoff Johns!!! If it's pretty good then, Hooray Geoff Johns!!! Haha. Again, agreed. Yeah, I mean I get how Johns seems to romanticize DC's past glories a little too much, but isn't that what made the company so great to begin with? Relishing it's history so that the stories and characters could evolve naturally? I mean, heck! It worked for Marvel They way I see it 'relishing history' is what Roy Thomas, Waid, Busiek, etc. do.. they use the past to tell good new stories. Johns tries to re-live the past over and over again with a new coat of paint, or re-tells stories he likes but edits out the parts he doesn't like. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 8, 2017 22:41:12 GMT -5
Again, agreed. Yeah, I mean I get how Johns seems to romanticize DC's past glories a little too much, but isn't that what made the company so great to begin with? Relishing it's history so that the stories and characters could evolve naturally? I mean, heck! It worked for Marvel They way I see it 'relishing history' is what Roy Thomas, Waid, Busiek, etc. do.. they use the past to tell good new stories. Johns tries to re-live the past over and over again with a new coat of paint, or re-tells stories he likes but edits out the parts he doesn't like. Well, you're not wrong... |
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Post by berkley on Jun 14, 2017 0:10:12 GMT -5
I'm not a great fan of Bendis and I agree that his dialogue does tend to sound a bit same-y much of the time but to give credit where credit is due, he has surprised me now and then by managing to give some characters their own voice, within the boundaries of his style. For example I thought he came up with some good lines for Ares and Loki when they were appearing in the various Avengers books, something I didn't expect: these gods of the MU are the kind of thing you'd think would be way outside his comfort zone, but he gave them voices that got across the feeling that they weren't just the usual American urban types typical of his work. But yes, there are lots of other characters where he's failed to do that.
Johns I agree is a huge fan of DC superhero comics of a certain type, but what he likes about them doesn't seem to be what I like. He strikes me as a Shooter-type writer, in that he's mostly interested in reproducing the surface gestures of the particular kind of superhero comics that he grew up reading. And I'm totally turned off by his versions of characters like Darkseid, Barda, etc. Of course the problem there is in large part that these aren't standard superheroes or villains of the kind Johns is concerned with.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jun 14, 2017 13:01:48 GMT -5
Johns I agree is a huge fan of DC superhero comics of a certain type, but what he likes about them doesn't seem to be what I like. He strikes me as a Shooter-type writer, in that he's mostly interested in reproducing the surface gestures of the particular kind of superhero comics that he grew up reading. And I'm totally turned off by his versions of characters like Darkseid, Barda, etc. Of course the problem there is in large part that these aren't standard superheroes or villains of the kind Johns is concerned with. To be fair to Shooter though, Marvel did not nearly have a lengthy, continuous history at that point (Marvel was only about 20+ years old, DC was going to hit 60 something) to worry about when he was EIC. That's why I kind of think he introduced Marvel Saga when he did. Marvel's kind of at that point now where it's about as confusing and canonically bloated as DC was before Crisis. I'm not defending Johns for essentially being nu-Shooter, but Shooter got a lot more right than he got wrong |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2017 18:04:24 GMT -5
Fresh from the Doomsday Clock NYCC panel, the first six pages of #1 here. I was super stoked for this already but the panel and preview have upped my excitement. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Oct 8, 2017 19:10:14 GMT -5
Johns is Batmite, a well-intentioned demi-god fanboy who idolizes comic book heroes like an awestruck five year old Bendis is Mtylzpix, the complete opposite end of the spectrum and really doesn't care who or what he destroys so long as it fits his long term vision of seemingly random and convoluted happenstance Note how these two comparisons are wholly interchangeable, especially considering how divided everyone in this thread is Not interchangeable... I don't think Bendis is a fanboy, I think he's a good writer, actually. The problem is, like many writers, he has one good story/set of characters in him, and he just applies the same stories and personality to every character he writes. That was fine (and good, even) when he was creating his own characters, but it sucks when he's tearing down long established characters. Johns is definitely a fanboy that is just a bit more skilled that average. The Color spectrum thing was totally something that would be a fan fic, IMO.
That's what I was thinking when I first saw the different color ring corps. |
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