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Post by nairb73 on Jun 28, 2024 16:06:21 GMT -5
Space Babies was horrible. Dot and Bubble was almost as bad, somewhat redeemed by the knowledge that we'll likely never see those people again(for the in-story reason that they're going to die trying to prove that they know everything, when they know nothing; and the real-world reason that they don't do sequels to terrible episodes).
Otherwise,6 decent if not all-time classic episodes. RTD revisited some of his cliches(overly-sensitive 'I'm sorry' moments, and even a hint of 'one person changes the universe' with Ruby's mother).
The 'Sutkekh, not Susan' thing was a...Susan Twist...ohhhh, NOW I get it!
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 30, 2024 7:30:43 GMT -5
I thought Dot and Bubble was one of the best episodes of modern Who myself, the way it critiqued modern influencer culture was entertaining and the message that those types of people are generally horrible human beings and you'd be better off with out them is definitely important.
As for the season as a whole I thought it was pretty decent, I think my only real quibble is that it was just too damn short.
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Post by spoon on Jul 1, 2024 21:48:33 GMT -5
I thought Dot and Bubble was one of the best episodes of modern Who myself, the way it critiqued modern influencer culture was entertaining and the message that those types of people are generally horrible human beings and you'd be better off with out them is definitely important. As for the season as a whole I thought it was pretty decent, I think my only real quibble is that it was just too damn short. I really liked Dot and Bubble, too. But while I generally appreciated the social commentary in the episode, I kind of hated the ending. I feel like many incarnations of the Doctor would've respected the people deciding to get out of their bubbles and live out in the world, even if the risk is high. He would've felt it was their choice to make and there is something admirable about going out on a limb, even if he personally thinks the much wiser choice would be to escape the planet on the Tardis. Instead of respecting their free will, Fifteen is very judgmental. On top of that, I found it annoying when he cried. It's like, it's these people lives, and you're making it about yourself and your own tragic suffering Doctor. It's one of the reasons why, even though this might be my favorite season since Capaldi's first, I'm ambivalent about the Fifteenth Doctor himself. One thing I like to do is think about which previous Doctors a new Doctor is particularly similar to. At times, I feel that 15 has traits in common with 3. It's interesting, because I feel like 3 is a Venn diagram circle that tends to overlap less than a lot of the others. |
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 2, 2024 8:35:18 GMT -5
I thought Dot and Bubble was one of the best episodes of modern Who myself, the way it critiqued modern influencer culture was entertaining and the message that those types of people are generally horrible human beings and you'd be better off with out them is definitely important. As for the season as a whole I thought it was pretty decent, I think my only real quibble is that it was just too damn short. I really liked Dot and Bubble, too. But while I generally appreciated the social commentary in the episode, I kind of hated the ending. I feel like many incarnations of the Doctor would've respected the people deciding to get out of their bubbles and live out in the world, even if the risk is high. He would've felt it was their choice to make and there is something admirable about going out on a limb, even if he personally thinks the much wiser choice would be to escape the planet on the Tardis. Instead of respecting their free will, Fifteen is very judgmental. On top of that, I found it annoying when he cried. It's like, it's these people lives, and you're making it about yourself and your own tragic suffering Doctor. It's one of the reasons why, even though this might be my favorite season since Capaldi's first, I'm ambivalent about the Fifteenth Doctor himself. One thing I like to do is think about which previous Doctors a new Doctor is particularly similar to. At times, I feel that 15 has traits in common with 3. It's interesting, because I feel like 3 is a Venn diagram circle that tends to overlap less than a lot of the others. I think the point was that there is nothing at all to respect about influencer culture, and that them refusing help was just one more point of evidence of that. |
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Post by spoon on Jul 4, 2024 18:47:38 GMT -5
I had assumed free streaming services would have meager content or would have a catch, so I'm only now discovering that Tubi has a huge classic Doctor Who selection. I started watching Tom Baker's final season this week. I'm in the middle of the third story (Full Circle).
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jul 5, 2024 5:40:31 GMT -5
I had assumed free streaming services would have meager content or would have a catch, so I'm only now discovering that Tubi has a huge classic Doctor Who selection. I started watching Tom Baker's final season this week. I'm in the middle of the third story (Full Circle). I've been thinking about subscribing to Brittbox for classic Who, but if Tubi has it for free I might do that instead. |
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Post by spoon on Jul 5, 2024 11:06:27 GMT -5
I had assumed free streaming services would have meager content or would have a catch, so I'm only now discovering that Tubi has a huge classic Doctor Who selection. I started watching Tom Baker's final season this week. I'm in the middle of the third story (Full Circle). I've been thinking about subscribing to Brittbox for classic Who, but if Tubi has it for free I might do that instead. Tubi has commercials, but I feel like it's not that bad a tradeoff. |
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Post by Jesse on Jul 13, 2024 9:20:00 GMT -5
Roku has a 24 hour Doctor Who channel playing most classic episodes.
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Post by The Captain on Jul 13, 2024 19:30:52 GMT -5
Roku has a 24 hour Doctor Who channel playing most classic episodes. My older daughter watches that all the time. It’s not necessarily my cup of tea, but every once in a while I will sit with her and watch an episode or two. |
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Post by spoon on Jul 13, 2024 20:53:15 GMT -5
I finished Tom Baker's last season about a week ago, and I've been watching Peter Davison's first season. It was idea I had to watch a season on either side of this transition. During Adric's first few stories with Baker, I thought the hatred of him that I've heard came from fans was a little overblown. But as more and more stories pass, he's really giving post-Crisis Jason Todd vibes. There are multiple stories where he sides with the bad guys, either because he's gullible or because he employing a ruse to get on their good side to defeat them. But even when it's a ruse, he rarely lets the rest of the Tardis crew in on it. I am learning to dislike him.
I thought of Adric as a lot younger than Nyssa, but it turns out that actor Matthew Waterhouse is literally just a week younger than actress Sarah Sutton.
There's some nice trippy episode here. As far as I can remember, these two seasons are better than most of episodes of I remember from the end of Davison's run or Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy.
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Post by nairb73 on Jul 13, 2024 23:50:29 GMT -5
I finished Tom Baker's last season about a week ago, and I've been watching Peter Davison's first season. It was idea I had to watch a season on either side of this transition. During Adric's first few stories with Baker, I thought the hatred of him that I've heard came from fans was a little overblown. But as more and more stories pass, he's really giving post-Crisis Jason Todd vibes. There are multiple stories where he sides with the bad guys, either because he's gullible or because he employing a ruse to get on their good side to defeat them. But even when it's a ruse, he rarely lets the rest of the Tardis crew in on it. I am learning to dislike him. I thought of Adric as a lot younger than Nyssa, but it turns out that actor Matthew Waterhouse is literally just a week younger than actress Sarah Sutton. There's some nice trippy episode here. As far as I can remember, these two seasons are better than most of episodes of I remember from the end of Davison's run or Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy. You've summed up Adric in a nutshell. Not sure how far you are in Season 19, but he does redeem himself on his way out. There is one story, however, where he could have been left in the TARDIS with no effect on the plot. |
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Post by spoon on Jul 14, 2024 9:43:08 GMT -5
I finished Tom Baker's last season about a week ago, and I've been watching Peter Davison's first season. It was idea I had to watch a season on either side of this transition. During Adric's first few stories with Baker, I thought the hatred of him that I've heard came from fans was a little overblown. But as more and more stories pass, he's really giving post-Crisis Jason Todd vibes. There are multiple stories where he sides with the bad guys, either because he's gullible or because he employing a ruse to get on their good side to defeat them. But even when it's a ruse, he rarely lets the rest of the Tardis crew in on it. I am learning to dislike him. I thought of Adric as a lot younger than Nyssa, but it turns out that actor Matthew Waterhouse is literally just a week younger than actress Sarah Sutton. There's some nice trippy episode here. As far as I can remember, these two seasons are better than most of episodes of I remember from the end of Davison's run or Colin Baker or Sylvester McCoy. You've summed up Adric in a nutshell. Not sure how far you are in Season 19, but he does redeem himself on his way out. There is one story, however, where he could have been left in the TARDIS with no effect on the plot. I finished Black Orchid (which I enjoyed), so I'm almost at the end of the road. |
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Post by nairb73 on Jul 14, 2024 12:25:40 GMT -5
You've summed up Adric in a nutshell. Not sure how far you are in Season 19, but he does redeem himself on his way out. There is one story, however, where he could have been left in the TARDIS with no effect on the plot. I finished Black Orchid (which I enjoyed), so I'm almost at the end of the road. OK, it was 'Black Orchid', especially part 2, that I was referring to, regarding Adric. Supposedly, because Matthew Waterhouse didn't like the story even before production started, Adric's role was reduced(I went back to make sure he had any dialogue in part 2...and he does say 'It's his(the Doctor's) word against yours')...but, really, he eats in part 1, has one line in part 2, and Lord Cranleigh stops him from climbing the ladder to save Nyssa. They could have just had him fall off the ladder, and make 'Earthshock' a much different story! |
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Post by spoon on Jul 14, 2024 13:57:45 GMT -5
I finished Black Orchid (which I enjoyed), so I'm almost at the end of the road. OK, it was 'Black Orchid', especially part 2, that I was referring to, regarding Adric. Supposedly, because Matthew Waterhouse didn't like the story even before production started, Adric's role was reduced(I went back to make sure he had any dialogue in part 2...and he does say 'It's his(the Doctor's) word against yours')...but, really, he eats in part 1, has one line in part 2, and Lord Cranleigh stops him from climbing the ladder to save Nyssa. They could have just had him fall off the ladder, and make 'Earthshock' a much different story! I was guessing you might mean Black Orchid, because Adric didn't do any crucial. It's really a story for Nyssa, the Doctor, and the guest stars. Tegan at least had bits like performing the Charleston. Adric could've slept through the story in the Tardis like Nyssa did during Kinda. |
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Post by nairb73 on Jul 14, 2024 15:29:40 GMT -5
OK, it was 'Black Orchid', especially part 2, that I was referring to, regarding Adric. Supposedly, because Matthew Waterhouse didn't like the story even before production started, Adric's role was reduced(I went back to make sure he had any dialogue in part 2...and he does say 'It's his(the Doctor's) word against yours')...but, really, he eats in part 1, has one line in part 2, and Lord Cranleigh stops him from climbing the ladder to save Nyssa. They could have just had him fall off the ladder, and make 'Earthshock' a much different story! I was guessing you might mean Black Orchid, because Adric didn't do any crucial. It's really a story for Nyssa, the Doctor, and the guest stars. Tegan at least had bits like performing the Charleston. Adric could've slept through the story in the Tardis like Nyssa did during Kinda. It wasn't easy juggling a TARDIS 'crew' of 4, plus guest stars(most of whom, according to various sources, were 'under consideration' to become companions). |
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