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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 29, 2016 8:22:51 GMT -5
And lest any of us forget, we all have 20 million dead Russian soldiers and civilians to thank. Very true. We all did our part but it is the Russians who ultimately won the war against Germany.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jun 29, 2016 8:24:59 GMT -5
And lest any of us forget, we all have 20 million dead Russian soldiers and civilians to thank. Very true. We all did our part but it is the Russians who ultimately won the war against Germany. Indeed. Nice to see that someone reads his history.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 29, 2016 8:25:31 GMT -5
The one thing I still do not understand is why the bomb was dropped on cities instead of, say, a few kilometers away... Just to demonstrate what an atomic explosion was and scare the Japanese government into surrendering. Of course that may be wishful thinking (and from an armchair corporal, to boot): after all, even after cities blew up, the Japanese weren't wiling to give up (you don't want those guys as your enemies). A few generals even mounted a coup to topple the govenment after it started considering surrendering! And of course, the U.S. military wanted to see what an atomic bomb would do to a city and its civilian population. I've always understood that this is why the second bomb at Nagasaki was so controversial because having shown the full weight of the might that was available to them, did the American's really need to do it again? Of course, it's possible that the Japanese wouldn't have surrendered after Hiroshima alone, but we'll never know.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Jun 29, 2016 8:27:30 GMT -5
Hahah, you may be right, your constitution is so f****d up anyways. That a legislative text is hold as sacred scripture always sounded nutty to me I know I'm hyperboling, but when a text of law & rights constantly has to be interpreted, something has IMHO gone wrong. And I wasnt talking about the good or bad deeds of the US but the possible ones of NATO and CIA. Just one, thing, though : the idea that europeans recruited the US to form NATO is... somewhat at odds with history. But about the US though, I guess that some of us will never forget Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but that's another story... Obviously no one has, or will, say anything as defamatory as that about the basis of your country's government, because we're trying for a friendly conversation. The US Constitution contains the ideals that the US was founded on, and as such it is important to us, though I wouldn't go so far as to say sacred scripture. As to interpreting laws or rights, I would think that would be a good and necessary thing to ensure that the laws are relevant to an ever changing society. No one ever has, ever will, or ever should forget Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The rational behind it has already been covered, so I won't go into it again. But bringing it up in a discussion of the EU, NATO, etc, is disingenuous at best. It's kind of like the unwritten rule in debating that whoever first brings up Nazis automatically loses, because it's a cheap, easy shot.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 29, 2016 9:07:14 GMT -5
Hahah, you may be right, your constitution is so f****d up anyways. That a legislative text is hold as sacred scripture always sounded nutty to me I know I'm hyperboling, but when a text of law & rights constantly has to be interpreted, something has IMHO gone wrong. And I wasnt talking about the good or bad deeds of the US but the possible ones of NATO and CIA. Just one, thing, though : the idea that europeans recruited the US to form NATO is... somewhat at odds with history. But about the US though, I guess that some of us will never forget Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but that's another story... Interpretation is seen as a good thing, in fact it's something that I think nearly all western nations have adopted.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jun 29, 2016 9:43:51 GMT -5
Hahah, you may be right, your constitution is so f****d up anyways. That a legislative text is hold as sacred scripture always sounded nutty to me I know I'm hyperboling, but when a text of law & rights constantly has to be interpreted, something has IMHO gone wrong. And I wasnt talking about the good or bad deeds of the US but the possible ones of NATO and CIA. Just one, thing, though : the idea that europeans recruited the US to form NATO is... somewhat at odds with history. But about the US though, I guess that some of us will never forget Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but that's another story... Obviously no one has, or will, say anything as defamatory as that about the basis of your country's government, because we're trying for a friendly conversation. The US Constitution contains the ideals that the US was founded on, and as such it is important to us, though I wouldn't go so far as to say sacred scripture. As to interpreting laws or rights, I would think that would be a good and necessary thing to ensure that the laws are relevant to an ever changing society. No one ever has, ever will, or ever should forget Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The rational behind it has already been covered, so I won't go into it again. But bringing it up in a discussion of the EU, NATO, etc, is disingenuous at best. It's kind of like the unwritten rule in debating that whoever first brings up Nazis automatically loses, because it's a cheap, easy shot. Where in that post you quote did I bring nazis??? And how did the discussion that suddenly become a competition? About the constitution, let me be clear : I don't mean that it itself is fudged up but that fact that it is almost impossible to change it IMHO is. And yes, different opinions, but constitution should IMHO be loud, precise and clear and not subjected to the ongoing unresolved debates of interpretation that we see in major matters in te US, which is the result of it being almost impossible to change or amend.
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 29, 2016 10:08:22 GMT -5
And lest any of us forget, we all have 20 million dead Russian soldiers and civilians to thank. Very true. We all did our part but it is the Russians who ultimately won the war against Germany. Now that I agree with. Of course, they had a little help from the weather, too...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 10:10:03 GMT -5
Maybe the French support for the EU isn't as solid as you think, Arthur: How Brexit is reshaping domestic politics in EU member states "... FranceThe UK’s vote for Brexit will have a big impact on the 2017 presidential campaign. Polling for the Pew Research Center this month found French people were even more Eurosceptic than the British: only 38% of the French are in favour of the EU against 44% in Britain. The Socialist president François Hollande knows only too bitterly that Europe is not a vote-winning issue in France; his own party still hasn’t fully recovered from its divisions of over France’s 2005 Europe referendum, when France voted no to the European constitution. If there was a new treaty setting out clear choices for Europe, I don’t see how we could refuse Nicolas Sarkozy
But Paris’s vision for the EU and relationship with Europe will now become a much bigger issue at the heart of the presidential campaign.
Hollande was elected in 2012 on a promise to turn Europe around and save it from one-size-fits-all austerity. Voters don’t see him as having achieved that and he is the least popular president on record. He hopes to use the Brexit crisis as as a last-ditch attempt to restyle himself as a powerful force for change, promising to make Europe more relevant and attractive, particularly by deepening the relationship on security and defence.
But France – still struggling to meet the EU’s fiscal rules – is the economically weaker partner in the Paris–Berlin axis and time is short for Hollande to kickstart a new European project less than 10 months from the presidential election.
On the mainstream right, contenders in the primary race to be the candidate for Nicolas Sarkozy’s Les Républicains party are setting out their stall. Alain Juppé, a key contender, has said Europe needs to be “re-invented”. He argued that once that overhaul had been decided – at a point far into the future – a referendum would be needed on “Europe’s reconstruction, not only in France but all countries concerned”.
The same has been suggested by Emmanuel Macron, Hollande’s young, ambitious economy minister, who is currently weighing up whether to run for president himself.
Sarkozy, whose popularity is rising among his party members and who still has a chance of becoming the mainstream right’s presidential contender, has himself pushed for a redesign of the European Union and a new European treaty. “We should not be afraid of the people,” Sarkozy said. “If there was a new treaty setting out clear choices for Europe, I don’t see how we could refuse .”
But these calls are for a far-off referendum on a new European project, not on membership itself.
Marine Le Pen, leader of the Eurosceptic, anti-immigration, far-right Front National – who is jubilant about Brexit – is the only one pushing for an in-out referendum in France along the same lines as the UK.
The economic impact of Brexit on France could also play its part in the presidential election if it has a knock-on effect on the tentative upturn in France’s fragile and crisis-hit economy. Spain ..."
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Post by tingramretro on Jun 29, 2016 10:47:42 GMT -5
I am reeling at this staggeringly unexpected revelation! ... Actually, I'm not.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 29, 2016 11:08:25 GMT -5
Where in that post you quote did I bring nazis??? You didn't. That's not what DE Sinclair was saying -- read it again. He was comparing your bringing Hiroshima or Nagasaki into the conversation as akin to the unwritten debating rule in which whoever brings up the Nazis first automatically loses because it's a cheap shot.
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 29, 2016 11:14:57 GMT -5
Obviously no one has, or will, say anything as defamatory as that about the basis of your country's government, because we're trying for a friendly conversation. The US Constitution contains the ideals that the US was founded on, and as such it is important to us, though I wouldn't go so far as to say sacred scripture. As to interpreting laws or rights, I would think that would be a good and necessary thing to ensure that the laws are relevant to an ever changing society. No one ever has, ever will, or ever should forget Hiroshima or Nagasaki. The rational behind it has already been covered, so I won't go into it again. But bringing it up in a discussion of the EU, NATO, etc, is disingenuous at best. It's kind of like the unwritten rule in debating that whoever first brings up Nazis automatically loses, because it's a cheap, easy shot. Where in that post you quote did I bring nazis??? And how did the discussion that suddenly become a competition? About the constitution, let me be clear : I don't mean that it itself is fudged up but that fact that it is almost impossible to change it IMHO is. And yes, different opinions, but constitution should IMHO be loud, precise and clear and not subjected to the ongoing unresolved debates of interpretation that we see in major matters in te US, which is the result of it being almost impossible to change or amend. Again, it's like that in most western nations now too. The living document idea may have started in the US but it moved to the rest of the developed world not long after and most people see it as a good thing.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jun 29, 2016 11:16:52 GMT -5
I am reeling at this staggeringly unexpected revelation! ... Actually, I'm not. Well, we'll see. But I don't see how those UK reports show a french people not in favor of the EU, which I've yet to see in my home country. Of course there is opposition from the nationalists as there always will be, but to think htose are possibly becoming the majority is showcasing a profound lack of understanding of french society.
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Jun 29, 2016 11:20:38 GMT -5
Where in that post you quote did I bring nazis??? You didn't. That's not what DE Sinclair was saying -- read it again. He was comparing your bringing Hiroshima or Nagasaki into the conversation as akin to the unwritten debating rule in which whoever brings up the Nazis first automatically loses because it's a cheap shot. Ah, so the list can be amended... good to know... Good to know this was a competition as well. I really don't see how this is remotly the same thing, to put both those on the same level seems very disgeneous as the implications aren't close. Well well...
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 29, 2016 12:12:20 GMT -5
Where in that post you quote did I bring nazis??? You didn't. That's not what DE Sinclair was saying -- read it again. He was comparing your bringing Hiroshima or Nagasaki into the conversation as akin to the unwritten debating rule in which whoever brings up the Nazis first automatically loses because it's a cheap shot. Godwin's law, isn't it? With Poe's law and Betteridge's law, one of my favourite laws that concern social exchanges.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 12:15:48 GMT -5
There must be a comics-centric equivalent involving the citation of Rob Liefeld's name.
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