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Post by Bronze Age Brian on Jun 19, 2016 11:34:39 GMT -5
But what I meant was, wasn't the first issue the only one that had anything to do with the movie? The 2001: A Space Odyssey Treasury is the adaptation of the movie. The 1976 10-issue series is Kirby's take on 2001 based on concepts from the film by Stanley Kubrick & Arthur C. Clarke.
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Post by Bronze Age Brian on Jun 19, 2016 11:40:10 GMT -5
My review of Kirby's 2001 from the old Jack Kirby thread:
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Post by Calamas on Jun 19, 2016 12:52:24 GMT -5
While I haven’t read all the issues of the above options, I have read enough of each to have a reasonable opinion.
Captain America is something I couldn’t warm to at the time because it was so different from what preceded it. I’ve always intended go back read it as an isolated experience. Because . . .
The Losers (which should have been included even if it is not going to get my vote) were also completely different from what came before and I was fascinated by what Kirby was attempting. And I say this as big fan of the Robert Kanigher war titles.
I picked the New Gods because of the rich tapestry. The same could be argued for Kamandi, but in a way Kirby was limited to the world he’d built. New Gods was limitless. He could go as small as father/son relationships and as vast as worlds of good and evil. Such giant concepts in so short a time, concepts that remain untapped today.
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Post by Gene on Jun 19, 2016 13:15:12 GMT -5
I can't pick a "best," so I had to go with my favorite instead and voted OMAC.
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Post by Crimebuster on Jun 19, 2016 14:49:35 GMT -5
I haven't yet read enough of these titles to really say which is best. But I voted Other for The Losers as my favorite.
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 19, 2016 17:29:48 GMT -5
I'm rather embarrassed to say that I won't be able to vote because I haven't read any of these books. I guess I'm not that big of a Jack Kirby fan. So that being the case, which of the listed Kirby most interests you and why ?
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Post by berkley on Jun 19, 2016 18:41:18 GMT -5
I'm rather embarrassed to say that I won't be able to vote because I haven't read any of these books. I guess I'm not that big of a Jack Kirby fan. So that being the case, which of the listed Kirby most interests you and why ? Or (since IIRC Confessor doesn't like Kirby's style of artwork or writing) which of the characters or ideas have you liked best when done by other creators?
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Post by jkosmicki on Jun 19, 2016 18:48:57 GMT -5
Other for Losers - given the collection a few years ago, this should no longer be as unknown as it was for the longest time
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Post by thwhtguardian on Jun 19, 2016 19:56:06 GMT -5
My review of Kirby's 2001 from the old Jack Kirby thread: Now I definitely need to read this series, and the adaptation.
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Post by shaxper on Jun 19, 2016 20:01:12 GMT -5
My review of Kirby's 2001 from the old Jack Kirby thread: Thanks for this. I now realize that part of the reason I didn't love 200 A Space Odyssey as much as some others here is that I never finished it. I thought I had the whole series, but I'm apparently missing (and have thus never read) the final three issues with X-51. I'll have to seek them out. In answer to your question, Kirby uses nothing from the novel -- at least nothing that seemed familiar to me.
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Post by Confessor on Jun 20, 2016 7:50:24 GMT -5
I'm rather embarrassed to say that I won't be able to vote because I haven't read any of these books. I guess I'm not that big of a Jack Kirby fan. So that being the case, which of the listed Kirby most interests you and why ? Great question, hondo. On reflection, I've always fancied having a look at his 2001: A Space Odyssey series, just because I love the original Arthur C. Clarke book and attendant movie. So, it appeals more than the others because it's a franchise or storyline that I'm already quite interested in. Weirdly, I see that it hasn't received a single vote yet. So that being the case, which of the listed Kirby most interests you and why ? Or (since IIRC Confessor doesn't like Kirby's style of artwork or writing) which of the characters or ideas have you liked best when done by other creators? Well, you're kinda half right here, berk. I'm not a huge fan of Kirby's art (particularly the way in which he draws women), but I do really love the pizzazz and punch of Kirby's sequential drawing when it's combined with a really interesting story or characters. For example, I really enjoy Kirby's '60s runs on Fantastic Four and Captain America, but I'm less enamored with his work on Thor because I've never really been particularly interested in that set of characters. Of his own, post-1970 creations listed in this poll, Kamandi: The Last Boy on Earth seems like an interesting concept, but from the little I've seen on these forums of such books as Jimmy Olsen, New Gods or OMAC, they look to be kinda unreadable. I don't think I've read any of these books or characters written by anyone else either.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 20, 2016 8:18:46 GMT -5
The comic I most enjoyed reading as a kid was the Demon, but I recognize that Kamandi is a more ambitious and rich creation.
I never read the New Gods material apart from the last issue of the reprint series from 1984. It was meant as a sort of conclusion to New gods and a prequel to the Hunger dogs graphic novel, but left be decidedly underwhelmed... I read in wikipedia that there was editorial interference with that, so perhaps Kirby's vision was diluted. The overuse of Darkseid starting in the '80s also discouraged me from investigating further.
Oddly enough, as far as my reading experience is concerned, the best New Gods story is the great darkness saga in Legion of super-heroes!
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Post by MWGallaher on Jun 20, 2016 10:00:13 GMT -5
I've read most all of this, but only sampling Silver Star and Captain Victory, and I gave up on Black Panther and Captain America before Kirby left them. My favorite is Mr. Miracle, and I've got a sentimental attachment to Jimmy Olsen, since it was an issue of that comic that started me collecting, but I picked OMAC as "best", because I think it holds up best as a full run, with no clunkers and plenty of thought-provoking ideas: Mr. Big, the disturbing Build-a-Friend "companion" robots in issue 1, Dr. Skuba stealing oceans, new bodies for old... It's a gorgeous, powerful book that I wish had continued, but which at least didn't burn out. If only Kirby had done that last cover, just for consistency...
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Post by hondobrode on Jun 20, 2016 13:57:27 GMT -5
So that being the case, which of the listed Kirby most interests you and why ? Great question, hondo. On reflection, I've always fancied having a look at his 2001: A Space Odyssey series, just because I love the original Arthur C. Clarke book and attendant movie. So, it appeals more than the others because it's a franchise or storyline that I'm already quite interested in. Weirdly, I see that it hasn't received a single vote yet. Or (since IIRC Confessor doesn't like Kirby's style of artwork or writing) which of the characters or ideas have you liked best when done by other creators? Well, you're kinda half right here, berk. I'm not a huge fan of Kirby's art (particularly the way in which he draws women), but I do really love the pizzazz and punch of Kirby's sequential drawing when it's combined with a really interesting story or characters. For example, I really enjoy Kirby's '60s runs on Fantastic Four and Captain America, but I'm less enamored with his work on Thor because I've never really been particularly interested in that set of characters. Of his own, post-1970 creations listed in this poll, Kamandi: The Last Boy on Earth seems like an interesting concept, but from the little I've seen on these forums of such books as Jimmy Olsen, New Gods or OMAC, they look to be kinda unreadable. I don't think I've read any of these books or characters written by anyone else either. I've tried three different times to watch 2001 all the way there and have fallen asleep every time, just like Dune. The idea is appealing. Back in high school I know I read the treasury, and I have various issues of the 2001 but don't think I've ever read any of them as it's not a complete run. Looking forward to doing that someday.
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Jun 20, 2016 14:05:22 GMT -5
I've tried three different times to watch 2001 all the way there and have fallen asleep every time, just like Dune. My wife is in the same boat, but I believe I could watch 2001 on a daily basis and never grow tired of it. last time I just wanted to hear the chords at the beginning and watch the first scene (the sun, Earth and moon in alignment) and ended up watching the whole thing anyway! I also love Dune, although it is something of a flawed movie. Lynch's vision is original and impressive but too different from Herbert's. Good thing my older son likes 2001 too! That prevents me from watching it forever alone!
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