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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 24, 2016 14:22:39 GMT -5
I don't think the current state of Detective Comics would annoy me nearly as much if it was monthly instead of semi-monthly. We've all been through it, when a series you like has gone off the rails - a little or a lot - but you keep getting it for months because you love the characters and you have so many consecutive issues that you can't stop (until you do).
I have every issue of Detective Comics from #420, so I'll just keep buying it until it gets good again.
But usually you're only reminded of what a sucker you are once a month! Under the current publishing schedule, you get a reminder every two weeks. So I can count on having something very disappointing every other time I buy comics!
Getting rid of Clayface would be a step in the right direction. Heck, it would help a lot if they would make the current amalgam Clayface one-tenth as interesting as any of the previous Clayface incarnations. Or just get rid of that out-of-left-field power where he can be several dozen separate policemen! You'd think Gotham doesn't have a police force!
I never thought I'd miss James "Bunny-Ears Batman" Gordon as much as I did after the last issue of the Monster Men cross-over!
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Post by The Cheat on Oct 24, 2016 15:06:27 GMT -5
Yeah, I was hoping Batwoman getting her own book would signal a change for Detective, but no such luck  |
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Oct 24, 2016 15:49:04 GMT -5
I have every issue of Detective Comics from #420, so I'll just keep buying it until it gets good again. I'm not trying to scold...but I really don't get this. It just encourages them to keep doing what they're doing because it's selling. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 24, 2016 16:12:07 GMT -5
I have every issue of Detective Comics from #420, so I'll just keep buying it until it gets good again. I'm not trying to scold...but I really don't get this. It just encourages them to keep doing what they're doing because it's selling. Because I have 520 or so consecutive issues of Detective Comics. I doubt that people just buying it to have all the issues are enough of a demographic that if they all stopped, sales would slump so bad that DC would make an effort to make Detective a little better. At this point, I wish it would either get better or go back to monthly. |
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Post by Spike-X on Oct 24, 2016 20:09:00 GMT -5
I don't think the current state of Detective Comics would annoy me nearly as much if it was monthly instead of semi-monthly. We've all been through it, when a series you like has gone off the rails - a little or a lot - but you keep getting it for months because you love the characters and you have so many consecutive issues that you can't stop (until you do). I have every issue of Detective Comics from #420, so I'll just keep buying it until it gets good again. But usually you're only reminded of what a sucker you are once a month! Under the current publishing schedule, you get a reminder every two weeks. So I can count on having something very disappointing every other time I buy comics! If you're foolish enough to keep buying comics that disappoint you, don't complain when you get disappointing comics. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 24, 2016 20:22:53 GMT -5
Well, when you're in for the long haul on a series like Detective Comics, a bad run here and there is just part of the history of the series. And sometimes bad issues can grow on you, you warm to them, you see their charm after a while. I think of how much I used to hate the issues with the Outsider back when I was seeing them in reprints in the 1970s issues of Detective. Now I have most of those issues and the Grasshopper Gang cracks me up. The story of the Outsider is weird and stupid and oddly charming.
I think the Bat-Family team idea has some potential, but they seem to mess it up somehow almost every issue. I like Batwoman, the Spoiler and Tim Drake (even though I joke that the "red" in "Red Robin" stands for redundant.) And I'm fairly indifferent to Orphan so far. I'm trying to accept Clayface on the current character's own terms, but it's just too stupid.
Should I put a trigger warning of some kind at the beginning of the posts where I'm complaining about Detective so people will know?
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Post by Spike-X on Oct 25, 2016 3:37:03 GMT -5
Should I put a trigger warning of some kind at the beginning of the posts where I'm complaining about Detective so people will know? Wha...? |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 28, 2016 15:21:11 GMT -5
Mmmh... I'm not sure I quite get what's happening in the new new new DC universe...
Was the Nu52 melded with the post-Crisis, pre-Flaspoint universe? With the characters remembering that their reality was tempered with? Is that right? And how does that work... do they just have competing memories of recent years? What happens to dead characters?
With CBR having gone the way of all the other clickbait comic-book pages, I fear I am woefully uninformed these days!
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 28, 2016 16:29:09 GMT -5
Mmmh... I'm not sure I quite get what's happening in the new new new DC universe... Was the Nu52 melded with the post-Crisis, pre-Flaspoint universe? With the characters remembering that their reality was tempered with? Is that right? And how does that work... do they just have competing memories of recent years? What happens to dead characters? I've been reading four Rebirth titles from the start and I can't even begin to answer your questions. I'm under the impression that you take each Rebirth title by itself on a case-by-case basis. "Batgirl" seems to recognize the continuity of the last year of New 52 "Batgirl," the Batgirl of Burnside issues. "Batgirl and the Birds of Prey" is completely ignoring every previous version of "Birds of Prey." "Detective Comics" is completely ignoring the James "Bunny Ears Batman" Gordon issues. Bruce Wayne had amnesia (supposedly). They might have resolved the "Bruce Wayne, Amnesiac" storyline somewhere, but I never saw it. "Wonder Woman" is embracing the continuity hash of the Amazing Amazon. I'm liking it a lot better than I thought I would, but its getting a little tiresome. It's not nearly as clever as they think it is. I give them a lot of points for great versions of Steve Trevor and the Cheetah. Still, I'm really hoping they know when to quit. |
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Post by Roquefort Raider on Oct 28, 2016 16:37:13 GMT -5
Thanks, Hoosier X!
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Post by Dizzy D on Oct 29, 2016 12:26:53 GMT -5
As far as I can tell from the series I've been reading:
Deathstroke: not a start from zero, but unclear to somebody like me with only limited knowledge of DC whether it's a continuation from new52 or before. Deathstroke knows Batman, Batman knows Deathstroke. He's a veteran mercenary who has experience dealing with superheroes. So basically any version of Deathstroke.
Midnighter & Apollo: continues directly from the New52 Midnighter series, which in turn was a spin-off from Grayson.
Doom Patrol: unknown at the moment. Cliff and Larry are superpowered and know each other well, Niles Caulder is still alive. Flex Mentallo is around and Danny the Street is Dannyland. So reboot, continuation or just another day for the Doom Patrol.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 29, 2016 12:45:45 GMT -5
Also, as far as Batgirl goes, they're ignoring the last, oh, 6 months or so of the 'Burnside' Era... where Huntress, Spoiler (new 52 version) and Harper Lee( I think) were essentially the new Birds of Prey, working for Batgirl. The rebirth Birds of Prey ignores that completely. Also, Hoosier didn't mention Commissioner Gordon is actually involved in the current BoP storyline... no hint or mention if he has any idea if his daughter is Batgirl or not that I saw. There's also the new Oracle from New 52 Batgirl, who seems to have been entirely eliminated, since the first BoP story is searching for an evil Oracle and she has been mentioned at all. No idea if the burnside supporting cast will still be around, since Batgirl is still on walkabout, and will be for at least a couple more issues. They did mention her company in passing though, so that may still be around. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 29, 2016 12:49:56 GMT -5
As far as I can tell from the series I've been reading: Deathstroke: not a start from zero, but unclear to somebody like me with only limited knowledge of DC whether it's a continuation from new52 or before. Deathstroke knows Batman, Batman knows Deathstroke. He's a veteran mercenary who has experience dealing with superheroes. So basically any version of Deathstroke. Midnighter & Apollo: continues directly from the New52 Midnighter series, which in turn was a spin-off from Grayson. Doom Patrol: unknown at the moment. Cliff and Larry are superpowered and know each other well, Niles Caulder is still alive. Flex Mentallo is around and Danny the Street is Dannyland. So reboot, continuation or just another day for the Doom Patrol. Danny the Street (I think it was him) sacrificed himself to save the Tim Drake Teen Titans toward the end of the New 52 run, so I guess that's out. Deathstroke hasn't been mentioned in the Wally West and his Amazing Friends version of the Titans yet, nor have Starfire, Raven, Beast Boy or Cyborg (though it was established that Dick and Kori has some sort of past relationship that ended badly in the new 52), so thus far the NTT era seems to be either erased or ignored... the past their drawing on for the Titans book seems all from the 60s sidekick era, maybe a bit from the 70s revival. |
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Post by Hoosier X on Oct 29, 2016 14:40:23 GMT -5
Also, as far as Batgirl goes, they're ignoring the last, oh, 6 months or so of the 'Burnside' Era... where Huntress, Spoiler (new 52 version) and Harper Lee( I think) were essentially the new Birds of Prey, working for Batgirl. The rebirth Birds of Prey ignores that completely. Also, Hoosier didn't mention Commissioner Gordon is actually involved in the current BoP storyline... no hint or mention if he has any idea if his daughter is Batgirl or not that I saw. There's also the new Oracle from New 52 Batgirl, who seems to have been entirely eliminated, since the first BoP story is searching for an evil Oracle and she has been mentioned at all. No idea if the burnside supporting cast will still be around, since Batgirl is still on walkabout, and will be for at least a couple more issues. They did mention her company in passing though, so that may still be around. I've only read three or four or issues of Batgirl of Burnside, so I'm sorry if I made a mistake on the details. I read New 52 Batgirl #49, #50 and #52 and it looked to me like Rebirth Batgirl #1 continued directly from Batgirl #52. At the end of Batgirl #52, the team at her company has a "Bon Voyage" party and she's heading for the airport on the last page. And in the first few issues of Rebirth Batgirl, she's traveling in various parts of the Far East. Frankie - from the Batgirl of Burnside issues - is in a few panels in #4 when Barbara calls her to help her get some data when Barbara is having a bandwidth problem. |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Oct 30, 2016 5:58:27 GMT -5
Yeah, the lead in is fine, but Frankie is no where to be found in Batgirl and the Birds of Prey, or even mentioned, when the whole story is finding Oracle... really it's more BoP that has the continuity issues more than Batgirl. It just really bugged me, so I thought I'd expound on your thoughts a bit  |
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