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Post by tingramretro on Mar 8, 2016 3:07:25 GMT -5
I think I may be the only person on the planet who didn't like Morrison's JLA. I've no real interest in any lineup of a team that focuses primariily on characters who have their own titles, as it means nothing of significance can happen in the team book. I also have little interest in continuous cosmic level threats, which is about all you can reasonably do with a lineup that powerful. And, fundamentally, I just don't much like Morrison's writing style on the book. I genuinely preferred the previous version of the League(s), even Extreme Justice.
However, Morrison's White Martians storyline did provide me wth my favourite scene ever focused on Batman-and it's a scene that Batman isn't even in... I wouldn't say I dislike Morrison's JLA. But I don't know what all the fuss was about. It was a good run of JLA. But it wasn't the greatest thing ever. I think a lot of the hype at the time was that the Justice League had been so dire for so long that anything decent would exceptionally good. And Porter's art was horrible. I didn't think the pre-Morrison League was "dire", I really enjoyed a lot of it. |
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Post by tingramretro on Mar 8, 2016 3:09:39 GMT -5
 His greatest work in DC Comics was the Justice League of America and I really feel that he really done a marvelous job of doing so and I wished he still at this book. The main reason for that book was to make Plastic-Man a member of that group and when he did that it was a masterstroke of pure genius on his part. I've never much liked Plastic Man. I still don't understand why he was needed in the League when they could simply have called in Elongated Man, who was already a member and a much more interesting character. Just seemed like a snub to Ralph, really. |
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Post by dupersuper on Mar 8, 2016 4:21:47 GMT -5
His greatest work in DC Comics was the Justice League of America and I really feel that he really done a marvelous job of doing so and I wished he still at this book. The main reason for that book was to make Plastic-Man a member of that group and when he did that it was a masterstroke of pure genius on his part. I've never much liked Plastic Man. I still don't understand why he was needed in the League when they could simply have called in Elongated Man, who was already a member and a much more interesting character. Just seemed like a snub to Ralph, really. There was a short story in a JLA special in which we see Superman, Batman and Aquaman hangin' out at the Kent farm discussing the upcoming membership expansion, and we hear their reasoning for going for Plas over EM. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 5:49:05 GMT -5
His greatest work in DC Comics was the Justice League of America and I really feel that he really done a marvelous job of doing so and I wished he still at this book. The main reason for that book was to make Plastic-Man a member of that group and when he did that it was a masterstroke of pure genius on his part. I've never much liked Plastic Man. I still don't understand why he was needed in the League when they could simply have called in Elongated Man, who was already a member and a much more interesting character. Just seemed like a snub to Ralph, really. dupersuper took the words out of my mouth and I wanted to add more to it. Please understand Morrison's reasoning ... Elongated Man ... No Sense of Humor Plastic Man ... Sense of Humor One more thing, I never, ever really cared for Elongated Man and I always consider Plastic Man more versatile than Elongated Man and that why Superman, Batman, and Aquaman were discussing who's better. That's my take on this subject and please understand why. |
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Post by dupersuper on Mar 8, 2016 6:05:58 GMT -5
I've never much liked Plastic Man. I still don't understand why he was needed in the League when they could simply have called in Elongated Man, who was already a member and a much more interesting character. Just seemed like a snub to Ralph, really. dupersuper took the words out of my mouth and I wanted to add more to it. Please understand Morrison's reasoning ... Elongated Man ... No Sense of Humor Plastic Man ... Sense of Humor One more thing, I never, ever really cared for Elongated Man and I always consider Plastic Man more versatile than Elongated Man and that why Superman, Batman, and Aquaman were discussing who's better. That's my take on this subject and please understand why. I love Ralph and his sense of humour, but with Plas' shape-shifting, and later depection in Kelleys run as virtually immortal, it's hard to argue he's not more versatile (especially with Batman, J'onn and Supes [investigative reporter Clark Kent] on hand for detecting [which Plas dabbles in as well, though not nearly as deftly as Ralph]). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2016 11:17:12 GMT -5
dupersuper took the words out of my mouth and I wanted to add more to it. Please understand Morrison's reasoning ... Elongated Man ... No Sense of Humor Plastic Man ... Sense of Humor One more thing, I never, ever really cared for Elongated Man and I always consider Plastic Man more versatile than Elongated Man and that why Superman, Batman, and Aquaman were discussing who's better. That's my take on this subject and please understand why. I love Ralph and his sense of humour, but with Plas' shape-shifting, and later depection in Kelleys run as virtually immortal, it's hard to argue he's not more versatile (especially with Batman, J'onn and Supes (investigative reporter Clark Kent) on hand for detecting (which Plas dabbles in as well, though not nearly as deftly as Ralph). You've got me thinking about your post here and I need some time to rethink the whole Plastic-Man verses Elongated Man thing here. I understand what you are saying here and it's valid. But, I'm still a die-hard Plastic-Man fan and I have a hard time dealing with Elongated Man because I consider him a little bit lackadaisical in some ways more than one. I don't consider Elongated Man lazy but he's doesn't attract me at all and that's why I like Plastic-Man better and that's how I feel about these two characters. |
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Post by sabongero on Apr 6, 2016 21:43:48 GMT -5
I am thinking of reading his Animal Man series. I've heard lots of good things about it. Hopefully, I enjoy reading it.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Apr 6, 2016 23:31:43 GMT -5
I liked his JLA, but I think that was mostly because having the Big 7 roster was just FUN... I think perhaps I liked it in spite of him instead of because of him. I did like Arkham Asylum, but most of the rest of his stuff I've read(which, granted it's a huge amount) just tries way to hard to be slick and cool and mysterious without actually succeeding.
Incidently, I always have thought Warren Ellis tries too hard to do the same nowadays, which is a shame as I loved his early stuff.
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Post by sabongero on Apr 11, 2016 15:43:37 GMT -5
I liked his JLA, but I think that was mostly because having the Big 7 roster was just FUN... I think perhaps I liked it in spite of him instead of because of him. I did like Arkham Asylum, but most of the rest of his stuff I've read(which, granted it's a huge amount) just tries way to hard to be slick and cool and mysterious without actually succeeding. Incidently, I always have thought Warren Ellis tries too hard to do the same nowadays, which is a shame as I loved his early stuff. Gotta agree with Warren Ellis's early stuff. I prefer his Planetary, Black Summer, and Thunderbolts any day of the week for rereading materials. I never get tired of rereading these three. |
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Post by sabongero on Apr 21, 2018 23:47:22 GMT -5
I've picked up some Grant Morrison earlier years work on DC, and decided on his run on Animal Man. I'm undecided if I should read his extensive run on JLA or Batman, next. The weirdness factor is amazing in his Animal Man work so far.
I am not sure if the editors of JLA or Batman will allow him the same amount of weirdness factor entered in either title though. Which of the two should I pick up next?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 10:54:07 GMT -5
JLA: art was not that great but I really liked the stories & the team dynamic. All the characters were great. Batman was written as invincible. Superman even calls Batman "the most dangerous man alive". IMO JLA was consistent in quality. I liked all the stories. He also did some innovative things with the different heroes powers.
Batman: blessed with decent art. A bit more weird than JLA if that is what you are looking for. Some of the stories were a bit lacking in quality. I consider his Batman run uneven in quality. When it's good it's awesome. When it's bad it's incoherent.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 11:19:40 GMT -5
I've picked up some Grant Morrison earlier years work on DC, and decided on his run on Animal Man. I'm undecided if I should read his extensive run on JLA or Batman, next. The weirdness factor is amazing in his Animal Man work so far. I am not sure if the editors of JLA or Batman will allow him the same amount of weirdness factor entered in either title though. Which of the two should I pick up next? JLA is far better than his Batman! ... I consider his JLA the best version of them all ... but the Granddaddy of them all was the Satellite Era of which the original seven grew to 17 heroes in all. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 11:27:56 GMT -5
JLA: art was not that great but I really liked the stories & the team dynamic. All the characters were great. Batman was written as invincible. Superman even calls Batman "the most dangerous man alive". IMO JLA was consistent in quality. I liked all the stories. He also did some innovative things with the different heroes powers. I'm so happy that someone here remember Superman saying "the most dangerous man alive" ... JLA was incredible when he took over and I consider the 127 issue run that he did was a stellar masterpiece and I feel that everyone should read it ... sabongero -- one of his greatest idea is to have Plastic Man back in the fold and when he had him ... I was overjoyed having him on that team. His Batman was pure gem! I liked the (to the extent) art ... but it's wasn't the greatest but bearable to look at.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2018 17:49:11 GMT -5
JLA: art was not that great but I really liked the stories & the team dynamic. All the characters were great. Batman was written as invincible. Superman even calls Batman "the most dangerous man alive". IMO JLA was consistent in quality. I liked all the stories. He also did some innovative things with the different heroes powers. I'm so happy that someone here remember Superman saying "the most dangerous man alive" ... JLA was incredible when he took over and I consider the 127 issue run that he did was a stellar masterpiece and I feel that everyone should read it ... sabongero -- one of his greatest idea is to have Plastic Man back in the fold and when he had him ... I was overjoyed having him on that team. His Batman was pure gem! Morrison had my full attention with his first arc on JLA. His portrayal of Batman was just so perfect. The White Martians ignore him because he has no powers & yet he is the one that takes them all down. Remember the fight scene where he lights a match & flicks it onto the floor where he poured gasoline around the Martians and then proceeded to beat the crap out of them? |
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Post by berkley on Apr 22, 2018 17:59:22 GMT -5
JLA: art was not that great but I really liked the stories & the team dynamic. All the characters were great. Orion, Barda, and Darkseid weren't, IMO. And since they were the only characters I'd really be interested in, that made Morrison's JLA a failure in my eyes. This is exactly what I don't want to see when it comes to Batman. The other traditional JLA characters were similarly boosted in order to curry fan favour, while the above-mentioned Orion, Barda, and Darkseid were dumbed down in order to make the more popular heroes look all the more impressive by contrast. For example, Orion had to be a swaggering bully so that Wonder Woman or Batman or Superman could display their moral superiority. Darkseid gets easily taken down by the Atom (I think it was?) to show that even the weakest JLA hero can knock him off his pedestal. Etc, etc. Fan service at its worst. |
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