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Post by kirby101 on Nov 23, 2024 15:44:35 GMT -5
I think it was definitely uneven, but the high points were unforgettable explosions of imagination. When I pushed myself through that run a few years back for similar reasons, there were dry spells, but there was so much awesome that I soon forgot them. I don't think there's been a single issue in the Byrne run yet that's fully wowed me. Some have had awesome elements quickly undone by stupid elements alongside them, I guess. I think I read up to the introduction of Black Panther? Like I said, I thought it was good, but just not my thing You quit before the Dr Doom - Surfer story? The Sentry? Him? You missed some great stuff, and Kirby's art really hits a high in the second part of his run. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Nov 23, 2024 15:47:33 GMT -5
I think I read up to the introduction of Black Panther? Like I said, I thought it was good, but just not my thing You quit before the Dr Doom - Surfer story? The Sentry? Him? You missed some great stuff, and Kirby's art really hits a high in the second part of his run. Part of me has been meaning to go back and give it a second shot, was kind of like that with Thor and Spidey ended up falling in love with them |
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Post by shaxper on Nov 23, 2024 16:01:09 GMT -5
Conway. There were some highlights, but overall, I struggled to make it through to the end of his run Conway feels more like a "greatest hits DJ" than an actual comic book writer judging by my read through of his Thor run. I have to wonder how much of that was from editorial mandates because it just feels more by-the-numbers/market-tested than anything Conway was notorious for overcommitting to projects and then having to decide which ones to actually try on and which ones to churn out by the numbers. It's insane the range of quality that can be found in his work. |
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Nov 23, 2024 20:26:55 GMT -5
Byrne was THE superstar artist in the industry and he got acclaim anywhere he went. He was given the FF title because he couldn't get along with Claremont. It doesn't mean he was a great writer but they were trying to keep him happy. For the period of 1978-1990, he was a sure sales draw to any book he was attached to. For the record, I thought he did a fine job with Superman but he was immediately undermined by a Legends crossover. I could think of 3 industry moves that were game changers, Kirby going to DC in 1972 Byrne going to DC in 1986 and Brian Micheal Bendis to Dc in 2017 Byrne wasn't undermined by the Legends cross-over. It was in the works before he signed on to do Superman and he signed on to be the penciller of it. He knew what it was going to be about and how it was set up to launch the post-Crisis DCU and was in the room kibitizing as it was plotted and all the beats of it were hammered out. Anything he has said about it being otherwise is sour grapes talking, not reality. It was part of the pitch to him to come to DC and take over Superman, so it did nothing to undermine what he was wanting to do with Superman and nothing from it would have forced him to change things with his issues. -M |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 23, 2024 20:36:51 GMT -5
Byrne was THE superstar artist in the industry and he got acclaim anywhere he went. He was given the FF title because he couldn't get along with Claremont. It doesn't mean he was a great writer but they were trying to keep him happy. For the period of 1978-1990, he was a sure sales draw to any book he was attached to. For the record, I thought he did a fine job with Superman but he was immediately undermined by a Legends crossover. I could think of 3 industry moves that were game changers, Kirby going to DC in 1972 Byrne going to DC in 1986 and Brian Micheal Bendis to Dc in 2017 I disagree about Bendis.. people were pretty much done with him by the time he moved and he didn't last long in DC and didn't really make much impact (other than aging Jon Kent, which I think everyone hates) I remember thinking at the time it was about time. Now, if they brought him in as part of New 52 maybe.... |
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Post by Batflunkie on Nov 23, 2024 20:40:01 GMT -5
I disagree about Bendis.. people were pretty much done with him by the time he moved and he didn't last long in DC and didn't really make much impact (other than aging Jon Kent, which I think everyone hates) He also brought back Legion of Superheroes and there was quite a lot of buzz around his Naomi book for a time... |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 23, 2024 20:45:40 GMT -5
Did Naomi have buzz because it was good though? Or because they force fed it with a TV show. I don't think she's still around.
Legion hasn't really been good or relevant since Abnett and Lanning IMO.
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Post by MRPs_Missives on Nov 23, 2024 20:48:33 GMT -5
IIRC part of the issue with Bendis was that with the corporate reshuffle, support for his creator-owned imprint at DC was withdrawn, part of his deal was that he would be able to keep Powers and the like in print under the DC umbrella with his imprint, and with the WB shake up, they weren't going to do that moving forward, so their deal was ended sooner than originally contracted, and he moved that stuff to Dark Horse soon afterwards. He was doing the work for hire hero stuff at DC to finance and give a home to his creator-owned books and when that aspect of the deal was cancelled, his reason for wanting to stay at DC went away.
Pat of the reason he went to DC from Marvel was that Marvel had phased pout the Icon imprint where he had the books while at Marvel.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Nov 23, 2024 22:51:20 GMT -5
I disagree about Bendis.. people were pretty much done with him by the time he moved and he didn't last long in DC and didn't really make much impact (other than aging Jon Kent, which I think everyone hates) He also brought back Legion of Superheroes and there was quite a lot of buzz around his Naomi book for a time... So much buzz that I’ve never heard of it. |
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Post by Batflunkie on Nov 23, 2024 22:56:27 GMT -5
He also brought back Legion of Superheroes and there was quite a lot of buzz around his Naomi book for a time... So much buzz that I’ve never heard of it. It mostly had to do with the "big mystery" of the story, even leading to the comic getting a live-action tv adaptation on the CW |
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Post by wildfire2099 on Nov 24, 2024 18:34:31 GMT -5
It didn't really leave any impact though. Its not like the character is still around.
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 24, 2024 21:16:04 GMT -5
I just binge read the Bendis JLA run (59-74). I thought it was solid bunch of stories. His banter type dialogue worked with the DC characters.
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Post by commond on Nov 25, 2024 4:40:32 GMT -5
I just binge read the Bendis JLA run (59-74). I thought it was solid bunch of stories. His banter type dialogue worked with the DC characters. You must be a hell of a speed reader if you can binge read Bendis run that quickly! |
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Post by Icctrombone on Nov 25, 2024 7:08:00 GMT -5
I just binge read the Bendis JLA run (59-74). I thought it was solid bunch of stories. His banter type dialogue worked with the DC characters. You must be a hell of a speed reader if you can binge read Bendis run that quickly! Surprisingly, there was a premium of action and double page spreads so the words weren't too much. I just liked the way the heroes talked to each other. |
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Post by kirby101 on Nov 25, 2024 8:39:36 GMT -5
I thought Bendis was famous for having a page of panels with the same head shot and two dialog balloons.  |
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