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Post by jtrw2024 on Jul 13, 2024 14:39:56 GMT -5
My regular comic book habits don't stray too far from mainstream superheroes, but occasionally I find myself reading different stuff when it aligns with some of my other interests, like Movies, TV, books, cartoons, anime. The original Dragonball manga is something I started about 20 years ago when it was being released in a monthly comic book format, but once that was discontinued I never got around to finishing it. I always meant to pick up the collected volumes of the stuff I missed, but never did until recently. I'd been reading through the 42 volume series off and on over the past couple months, stopping at appropriate intervals, like new story arcs, or change in direction. I'd seen most of the anime years ago, whatever was dubbed at the time anyway, which is what led me to check out the manga in the first place, and had a general idea of the way things went, but this was my first time reading the whole thing from beginning to end.
Still plenty of other stuff in my existing reading pile, not to mention new stuff that always gets added to it, but it's always nice to finish off something that I intended to do a couple decades ago. Hopefully I won't have to wait that long before re-reading it!
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Post by spoon on Jul 13, 2024 14:47:38 GMT -5
Continuing my Defenders binge read, I read Defenders Epic Collection vol. 7: Ashes, Ashes reprinting Defenders #110-125 and Avengers Annual #11. Since Hellcat was apparently written out of the book toward the end of this TPB, I thought it would be a good time to read the Patsy Walker/Hellcat material from the Woman of Marvel Omnibus. So far, I've read Patsy Walker #119.
Although I tried to avoid a 40-year-old spoiler in my last post, the apparent character death from a few issues back is too central to this TPB to avoid. Nighthawk is the member who apparently died in the Cap/Defenders crossover shortly before this. All this leads to a multi-part story in the Squadron Supreme's world in which we learn that Earth-616 version of Kyle Richmond is still alive . . . no, dead . . . no, alive . . . no, dead. It's a sendoff for Nighthawk that still leaves a door open. The story works in a recent villain who had seemed like a one-off, gives us more on the guy who was leading the investigation of Kyle, and manages to work in those psychics (including Kyle's old girlfriend Minday) into the story with an old FF villain called Overmind. In the end, Overmind (with the combined minds of the telepaths) returns with Defenders to become first a hanger-on and then a member. At the end, we also get a very weird Dr. Seuss tribute story.
J.M. DeMatteis is very good at doing stories that work self-contained single issues while advancing continuing plotlines. Oftentimes, these stories focus on a single member. I found Devil Slayer's previous backstory frustrating because he didn't have to address his past misdeeds. Defenders #110 is an unspoken but satisfying story that actually deals with this. Then, we get a story in #111 that puts a bow on some of the questions about Hellcat's past. Defenders #117 is a story that deals with the fallout of Overmind's bizarre transformation. He/she/they is one of the odder characters around, but seems to fade into the background and be written out the book without explicitly having an exit toward the end of this TPB. There's an awesome trippy solo Daimon Hellstrom story in #118.
The Patsy and Daimon arcs continue toward the end of the book, culminating in their wedding and apparent departure. With all these transitions out of the story, even long-time Defenders villain Nebulon gets apparent closure in Avengers Annual #11, written by DeMatteis.
Don Perlin handles the pencils in most issues. The quality differs based on the inker combination.
I remember hearing how the elf subplot from the Steve Gerber days abruptly and mysteriously ended. I didn't realize it actually was reprised a couple of times after long gaps. One of those times culminates in #125. Without giving away too much, it's basically a metafictional means to solidify some roster changes. Doctor Strange was the original leader/organizer of the Defenders. In the periods when he wasn't with the team, the core was Nighthawk as vocal but harried brain and Valkyrie as the heart of the team. Since the Beast was first brought into the book, DeMatteis has increasingly given him a central role. This culminates in his efforts to transform the Defenders from a non-team to an organized team. In a twist, his first recruitment effort fails. Then, the recently villainous Moondragon is an unwanted addition. As annoying as she is, she seems like a great foil, and there's a means of keeping her in check.
The additions of Iceman and Angel at the end seem a little forced, and I say that as an X-Men fan. Angel actually appears on the cover before he joins the team. The letter page essay from #125 (reprinted in the TPB) notes that DeMatteis grew up as a fan of the 60s X-Men. It seems like he found a way to become an X-Men writer in spite of the stranglehold Claremont had at the time. It's funny that I read a DeMatteis authored arc of Spectacular Spider-Man in 90s guest-starring the original X-Men. Professor Power was portrayed as an old enemy of Professor Xavier. I thought, "When did that happen?" It seems that Professor Power was the behind the scenes mastermind of the Cap/Defenders crossover, and then apparently became a villain in several MTU issues with X-Men guest stars by DeMatteis that I haven't read yet. It seems J.M. found a couple ways to indirectly dip in the X-Men pool.
Reading Patsy Walker #119 (from 1965) was an odd experience because I haven't almost no romance comics. It's interesting contrast from Patsy's portrayal in Defenders. IIRC, the canonical explanation (maybe from Englehart) was that the Patsy Walker comics were a fictionalized version of herself written by her mother in in-universe comic books. So she's gotten parents who together here in spite of her dysfunctional upbringing described in Defenders. In this story, she's awaiting the arrival of her boyfriend Buzz Baxter on furlough from the army. But in the pages of Defenders, Patsy is already divorced from Buzz (after her earlier Hellcat appearances) and he actually shows up as a supervillain the Defenders TPB!
I'll probably read a couple Hellcat solo stories in the Women of Marvel Omnibus before moving on to the next Defenders Epic Collection, but there's a shot I might mix something else into my reading.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 13, 2024 15:37:43 GMT -5
You wouldn't know this from the Epic Collection but that Dr. Suess tribute issue of Defenders also included the only published letter from one Kurt Mitchell a.k.a.
Cei-U! I summon my past glory!
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Post by spoon on Jul 13, 2024 16:09:08 GMT -5
You wouldn't know this from the Epic Collection but that Dr. Suess tribute issue of Defenders also included the only published letter from one Kurt Mitchell a.k.a. Cei-U! I summon my past glory! Maybe I'll have to pick up a copy of Defenders #115 and read the opinions you shared with Defenders fandom.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 13, 2024 16:29:36 GMT -5
Reading Patsy Walker #119 (from 1965) was an odd experience because I haven't almost no romance comics. It's interesting contrast from Patsy's portrayal in Defenders. IIRC, the canonical explanation (maybe from Englehart) was that the Patsy Walker comics were a fictionalized version of herself written by her mother in in-universe comic books. So she's gotten parents who together here in spite of her dysfunctional upbringing described in Defenders. In this story, she's awaiting the arrival of her boyfriend Buzz Baxter on furlough from the army. But in the pages of Defenders, Patsy is already divorced from Buzz (after her earlier Hellcat appearances) and he actually shows up as a supervillain the Defenders TPB! The old Patsy Walker series is so great! I was reading some online last year and I recently bought a few more issues online from Comicology. They are hilarious. It’s not technically a romance comic, as near as I can tell, it’s more in the teen humor category. More like Archie, and it’s a very good Archie knock-off. To be honest, I like Patsy Walker more than I ever liked Archie.
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Post by spoon on Jul 13, 2024 16:54:01 GMT -5
Reading Patsy Walker #119 (from 1965) was an odd experience because I haven't almost no romance comics. It's interesting contrast from Patsy's portrayal in Defenders. IIRC, the canonical explanation (maybe from Englehart) was that the Patsy Walker comics were a fictionalized version of herself written by her mother in in-universe comic books. So she's gotten parents who together here in spite of her dysfunctional upbringing described in Defenders. In this story, she's awaiting the arrival of her boyfriend Buzz Baxter on furlough from the army. But in the pages of Defenders, Patsy is already divorced from Buzz (after her earlier Hellcat appearances) and he actually shows up as a supervillain the Defenders TPB! The old Patsy Walker series is so great! I was reading some online last year and I recently bought a few more issues online from Comicology. They be are hilarious. It’s not technically a romance comic, as near as I can tell, it’s more in the teen humor category. More like Archie, and it’s a very good Archie knock-off. To be honest, I like Patsy Walker more than I ever liked Archie. As noted, I'm not well-read in the genre, but it seems much more like romance than teen humor to me. This issue was very close to the end of the series run. From the GCD, the cover logo changed to "The New Patsy Walker" in #116, and the Wikipedia article for the series reads that with #116, "the title switched from humor to become a young career-gal romantic adventure." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patsy_Walker_(comic_book)The one I read (#119) has a plot in which Patsy Walker is suspected of cheating on her boyfriend Buzz who is serving in the military. To me, it felt like the story was being played for drama much more than for laughs.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jul 13, 2024 17:23:53 GMT -5
The old Patsy Walker series is so great! I was reading some online last year and I recently bought a few more issues online from Comicology. They be are hilarious. It’s not technically a romance comic, as near as I can tell, it’s more in the teen humor category. More like Archie, and it’s a very good Archie knock-off. To be honest, I like Patsy Walker more than I ever liked Archie. As noted, I'm not well-read in the genre, but it seems much more like romance than teen humor to me. This issue was very close to the end of the series run. From the GCD, the cover logo changed to "The New Patsy Walker" in #116, and the Wikipedia article for the series reads that with #116, "the title switched from humor to become a young career-gal romantic adventure." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patsy_Walker_(comic_book)The one I read (#119) has a plot in which Patsy Walker is suspected of cheating on her boyfriend Buzz who is serving in the military. To me, it felt like the story was being played for drama much more than for laughs. I’ve got one issue of the Career Girl era, and I had completely forgotten about that. I forget which issue I have. It’s not the one you’re talking about, I’m pretty sure. Most of what I read from Patsy Walker, the ones that I’ve read and thought were pretty funny and have read some of them over again, are teen humor comics.
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Post by spoon on Jul 13, 2024 19:09:56 GMT -5
As noted, I'm not well-read in the genre, but it seems much more like romance than teen humor to me. This issue was very close to the end of the series run. From the GCD, the cover logo changed to "The New Patsy Walker" in #116, and the Wikipedia article for the series reads that with #116, "the title switched from humor to become a young career-gal romantic adventure." en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patsy_Walker_(comic_book)The one I read (#119) has a plot in which Patsy Walker is suspected of cheating on her boyfriend Buzz who is serving in the military. To me, it felt like the story was being played for drama much more than for laughs. I’ve got one issue of the Career Girl era, and I had completely forgotten about that. I forget which issue I have. It’s not the one you’re talking about, I’m pretty sure. Most of what I read from Patsy Walker, the ones that I’ve read and thought were pretty funny and have read some of them over again, are teen humor comics. The omnibus has one issue of Millie the Model, which I haven't read yet. The art for that comic looks very much like the Archie house style.
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Post by tonebone on Jul 15, 2024 10:24:05 GMT -5
I finally got a hold of the TPB of ROCKETO, by Frank Espinosa. I remember when he hit the scene about 15 years ago, and all my comics friends at work were gushing over the latest issues, and how he was such a fresh new talent. Welp, I have now finally had a chance to read ROCKETO. First of all, I thought, from all the imagery I had seen, that it was a Flash Gordon type space opera... turns out it's a fantasy SAILING opera. My least favorite form of adventure story. I don't know why, but I really can't get into stories set on a ship at sea. Second, his art is unique, I will give him that. But his "draw only what you need" approach, while appreciated, is lacking. He needs to draw about 10% more. His coloring follows the same mantra, and only makes it harder for me to parse what is going on. There were several pages where I had no idea what I was looking at. I'm sure HE knew what he was drawing and coloring, but to me, some of it looked like a mess. Messes are fine, but when they impede telling the story, there's a problem. Long story short, I only read about the first third, and lost interest and became frustrated. Honestly, I don't even know where the book is, right now, since it was printed sideways, and on the shelf, there's no visible spine.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 18, 2024 14:46:50 GMT -5
Superboy And The Legion Of Super-Heroes #245-#250
Picked back up on reading Legion after seeing them cameo in Williamson's current Green Arrow run, it's actually reallt nice getting back into this book. Like I've said before, it kind of feels like Star Trek mixed with Super Heroes. Also was NOT expecting that twist in #250
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2024 15:35:28 GMT -5
Superboy And The Legion Of Super-Heroes #245-#250 Picked back up on reading Legion after seeing them cameo in Williamson's current Green Arrow run, it's actually reallt nice getting back into this book. Like I've said before, it kind of feels like Star Trek mixed with Super Heroes. Also was NOT expecting that twist in #250 #245 was my introduction to the Legion when I was a kid, still remember seeing it on the newsstand and wondering who were all these other superheroes Superboy was hanging out with. Tail end of Earthwar so I didn't have full context what was going on, but it amazed me nonetheless and I was a fan for life! Great era for the Legion, and yeah, #250 is heck of a twist!
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jul 19, 2024 13:13:03 GMT -5
Batman Adventures: Nightwing Rising (DC, 2020) Collecting Batman Adventures: The Lost Years #1-5 (1998), written by Hillary Bader, art by Bo Hampton (pencils), Ted Beatty (inks) and Lee Loughridge (colors) and Batman: Gotham Adventures #1 (1998), written by Ty Templeton, art by Rick Burchett (pencils), Ted Beatty (inks) and Lee Loughridge (colors) This is an expanded version of Dick Grayson’s transformation into Nightwing (in the Batman Adventures/Animated Series universe). Various issues in The Lost Years adapt – if I’m recalling correctly – certain episodes of the animated series, while adding new material that covers the roughly two years Dick spent traveling around the world learning various types of martial arts and stealth techniques – kind of echoing the later retcons of Batman’s own origin story. While on this journey of learning and training, he foils a drug-smuggling plot by Two Face somewhere in South America (in issue #3) and then, upon returning to Gotham, retakes a sacred artifact stolen from a Tibetan monastery by Ra’s al Ghul’s men while he (Dick) was there (in issue #5). ( Dick bonking Ra’s while wearing the beta-version of his Nightwing togs) I quite enjoyed this; it's fun, well-told and rendered all ages superhero action. And the book is a really nice package: digest format, with over 160 pages of story. I would really like to read more of the Batman Adventures comics. Hey DC – since I know they’ve got eyes on this forum – here’s a suggestion: Batman Adventures compendiums. Barring that, how about some fat, tankobon- or Archie-style (like 300-500 page minimum) digests?
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Post by nairb73 on Jul 19, 2024 13:58:28 GMT -5
'Marvel Feature #s 11-12, and 'Marvel Two-In-One' 1-8. All written by Steve Gerber, the first of what would be the Thing's regular team-up title begin with the last two issues of the anthology book, 'Marvel Feature'....and, appropriately enough, a Thing vs. Hulk slugfest, masterminded by Kurrgo and the Leader, who, for no particular reason, send our powerful heroes to what's left of a western ghost town. Ben doesn't make it back to New York until after he's encountered Iron Man,and(via a detour in Florida in MTIO # 1), Man-Thing. Gerber leans a little too heavily on Ben's self-pity; in MF 11, he sabotages yet another 'gizmo' Reed was hoping to use to change him back(cue the old concerns about Alicia rejecting him...and she's not even in the story). By the debut of MTIO, he gets set off by a newspaper headline about Man-Thing, and is determined to 'beat him up' for 'stealin' my name'...uh, whatever. It's a logical choice for Gerber to include Manny to start this series, although it gets a bit dizzying after that. Wundarr debuts in # 2, and departs early in # 4, with a rather poor 'please also buy 'Daredevil', which is also written by Steve Gerber'' team-up in # 3. The Cap team-up leads to a time-trip to meet the Guardians of the Galaxy in #5. Then, we get yet another two-parter,involving Dr. Strange, Valkyrie, and a typically convoluted and trippy saga ongoing in Gerber's 'The Defenders'(a 'magic harmonica'...but no elf packing heat). Lastly, the Thing and Ghost Rider discover a Biblical allegory that really isn't a Biblical allegory,in # 8. We are promised an Iron Fist appearance in # 9, apparently by Gerber. Instead, Gerber never writes another issue of MTIO, and # 9 features Thor. By way of a partial explanation, the lettercol says that they prefer to let at least 6 months go by between a hero's appearances in 'Marvel Team-Up' (as well as 'Giant-Size Spider-Man') and 'MTIO', which resulted in rescheduling of guest shots in MTIO by Thor, Shang-Chi, and Iron Fist. I believe Shang-Chi turned up not long after, but Iron Fist only made it in with Luke Cage, shortly before the end. I'll keep reading.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jul 19, 2024 14:08:23 GMT -5
I remember having that MTIO Thing/Hulk book. It had nice Joe Sinnott inks. Welcome to the forum nairb73 !
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Post by nairb73 on Jul 19, 2024 15:42:51 GMT -5
I remember having that MTIO Thing/Hulk book. It had nice Joe Sinnott inks. Welcome to the forum nairb73 ! Thanks! Sinnott's work was the most consistent high point of those ten issues. It was a later Hulk-Thing team-up(the Starlin graphic novel, mentioned a few pages back) that prompted me to take on the MF 'prelimiminary' Thing team-ups. Wonder if this was one of those 'cancel or rename a book due to postal regulations' situations?
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