Confessor
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Post by Confessor on Jul 4, 2024 18:27:46 GMT -5
I read Doomsday +1 #1 and Defenders #107-109. Doomsday +1 is known as an early Charlton work from John Byrne. Joe Gill writes the lead feature, and there's also a backup story written and drawn by Tom Sutton. My copy is a 1999 black and white reprint. Was the series always in black and white or was the original print run from the 1970s in color? The lead story from Gill & Byrne concerns a trio of astronauts (two women and a man: Jill Malden, Ikei Yashida, and Boyd Ellis) who fly out to space on the far future date of April 7, 1996. Unfortunately, a crazy dictator hatches a plot that leads to the world's nuclear powers unleashing their full arsenals on each other, apparently killing off humanity on Earth. Our astronaut trio has to return to Earth and figure out how to survive. At first, we've got a bizarre love triangle. But when melting from all the radiation melts some long frozen creatures from the Greenland ice, it become a love trapezoid as caveman Kuno take a liking to Jill. Byrne's art is already solid. It's his familiar style, although a few of the faces are wonky. I'm less enamored by the writing, as it seems on one hand to want to be gritty and realistic, but on the other hand throw lots of utter ridiculous stuff into the mix. Ikei looks and dresses very much like Arcade's assistant Miss Locke, which is a weird sartorial choice for an astronaut. It feels like a set-up for vamp versus good girl, but I'd need to read more to see how it shakes out. I used to have the first two or three issues of Doomsday +1 and, yes, it was in colour. I always found the story pretty lacklustre, but Byrne's art is pretty serviceable, though I think your description of it as "wonky" is spot on. There are glimpses of his future greatness, but he still had a long way to go. Ultimately, I decided to trade my issues of this series in at a comic shop and I can't say I've ever missed them.
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Post by spoon on Jul 4, 2024 18:28:37 GMT -5
On a whim, I checked this out from the library: That cover is not representative; the colourized interiors are far, far worse. I'm not opposed to colourizing b&w comics; so long as the original versions are also preserved, I see no problem with it on general principle. But you can't just slap colour overtop heavy, detailed shading and not wind up with a muddy mess. IDW should be ashamed for putting this out there. There are recent TMNT Compendiums and the Ultimate Collections that retain the original B&W. The Ultimate collections are somewhat better because they have commentary from Eastman & Laird Also, I don't think that they ever fully reprinted all of the Color Classics in tpb form? I have the first two Ultimate Collections and really enjoy them. I can't remember if I may have a colorized TMNT issue many years ago, but as mentioned it must be a very difficult task with the shading techniques of the original art.
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Post by Chintzy Beatnik on Jul 4, 2024 21:08:57 GMT -5
I had the First Comic trades that they colored, so reading the series in black and white has always felt strange for me.
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jul 5, 2024 18:38:32 GMT -5
I finished my Supergirl Omnibus today... I think it was just about the right amount. The last couple were stories that started repeating (I know DC did that, but this was very obvious). Now I can start the War that Time forgot showcase and not feel bad!
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Post by nairb73 on Jul 7, 2024 2:08:22 GMT -5
Marvel Graphic Novel # 29(1989): Hulk and Thing in 'The Big Change', by Jim Starlin and Berni Wrightson.
Instead of one of their usual slugfests, 'Rockman' and 'Greenskin' are teleported to an alien planet for...reasons...in this tale that is played for laughs, and, mostly, succeeds. It has echoes of 'Star Trek', 'Hitchhiker's Guide', and mainly the 'Bwa Ha Ha' Justice League(think of Blue Beetle and Booster Gold changing colors). It even has a cameo by that 'What If' guy...Uatu who I mean.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jul 7, 2024 3:57:02 GMT -5
I've always had a soft spot for The Big Change - it's an unusually (for Starlin, I think) light-hearted and frankly silly story, but it just works and holds up after repeated readings. And Wrightson's art is, of course, gorgeous.
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Post by jtrw2024 on Jul 7, 2024 4:26:45 GMT -5
Jim Starlin did a Hulk/Thing (with Dr. Strange too) story for Marvel Fanfare 20-21 a couple years earlier which has a similar tone to The Big Change. Jim Starlin does the art with Al Milgrom on inks. Not sure if the two projects were related, or supposed to come out closer together. Maybe Wrightson took longer to finish the art on The Big Change and they needed something to fill the slot for Marvel Fanfare. Could be Starlin just liked the characters!
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Post by chaykinstevens on Jul 7, 2024 7:25:58 GMT -5
Jim Starlin did a Hulk/Thing (with Dr. Strange too) story for Marvel Fanfare 20-21 a couple years earlier which has a similar tone to The Big Change. Jim Starlin does the art with Al Milgrom on inks. GCD has Milgrom as co-penciller on the second part, which looks rougher than the first. The credits for both parts just list everyone's surnames and don't say who did what.
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Post by jtrw2024 on Jul 7, 2024 8:02:25 GMT -5
GCD has Milgrom as co-penciller on the second part, which looks rougher than the first. The credits for both parts just list everyone's surnames and don't say who did what. That's a good point about the quality on the second part. It's been a while since I read these issues, so I'm not sure if I ever picked up on that. I just pulled out my actual issues to see if there was any clarification on who contributed what. There's nothing other than a comment from Milgrom in his "Editori-AL" feature for issue 20 where it says the story reunites Starlin with his old inking companion from the 70s. That's an ambiguous statement which doesn't really say who's doing what exactly, and like you said, the actual credits are just everyone's names. Now that I've pulled these issues out I think I'll put them in my to-read pile before re-filing them. My copy of The Big Change has conveniently been sitting close by too for the longest time, so I'll make a point to read all of 3 of these first chance I get.
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Post by The Captain on Jul 7, 2024 12:56:40 GMT -5
I read Doomsday +1 #1 and Defenders #107-109. ..I’m ready for more Defenders! I read the entire Defenders series a few years ago and felt much the same way. It was occasionally great, sometimes pretty good, usually at least serviceable, but rarely downright bad. The “New Defenders” era at the end of the run fits into the latter category for the most part, but I feel that was mostly just the result of changing direction on a book that had pretty much run its course and not having anyone (creative team OR audience) really committed to it at that point.
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Post by spoon on Jul 7, 2024 15:10:31 GMT -5
I read Doomsday +1 #1 and Defenders #107-109. ..I’m ready for more Defenders! I read the entire Defenders series a few years ago and felt much the same way. It was occasionally great, sometimes pretty good, usually at least serviceable, but rarely downright bad. The “New Defenders” era at the end of the run fits into the latter category for the most part, but I feel that was mostly just the result of changing direction on a book that had pretty much run its course and not having anyone (creative team OR audience) really committed to it at that point. I'm interested in getting to the New Defenders era as an X-Men fan out of curiosity to see what was done with Angel, Iceman, and Beast. Granted, in all my X-Men and X-Factor reading I can't say I recall many references to events from Defenders, but I probably wouldn't recognize it if I saw it. I've only read one or two random issues from that era before. I have read the whole 1980s Strange Tales run where Peter Gillis wrote the Doctor Strange feature and just found to be so-so. It seems DeMatteis leaves right when the new direction starts.
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Post by tonebone on Jul 8, 2024 14:36:58 GMT -5
Most interesting! Who said comics weren't educational? Fredric Wertham Actually, Wertham saw comics as VERY educational, just educating kids to do the wrong things.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 10, 2024 11:32:34 GMT -5
The Lonely War of Capt. Willy Schultz by Will Franz and Sam Glanzman
What a long strange trip it's been to get this book. Not just the collection, but the initial storyline was certainly unusual for the time and the publisher. The Lonely War of Capt. Willy Schultz first appeared in Fightin' Army #76, cover dated Oct. 1967 and published by Charlton Comics. By late 1967, Charlton was very much the poverty row of comic book publishers and was certainly not known for continued features in its anthology comics, certainly not its war comics. So Captain Schultz was an anomaly. It was also different, in that it was written by Will Franz, who had not been writing comics long and was possibly still in his teens with no military experience. Sam Glanzman, on the other hand, was an industry veteran and also a combat veteran, having served on a destroyer in the Pacific in World War II. And, the feature was very much anti-war. While that may have been the zeitgeist with much of the public in 1967 as the war in Vietnam drug on, it was very much not reflected in the vast majority of comics, particularly war comics. This feature was, quite simply, unusual from snap to whistle. And, over the years, that made it something of a legend. But was it any good? Not that many of us knew. Because Charlton comics had notoriously bad distribution and were not, by and large, "collected" by funnybook collectors. These were the kind of books that were passed around to friends, that were sold at yard sales, that were tossed in grandparents closets so that the grandkids had something to read when they were visiting. Charltons can be found in some parts of the country...in others they are rare and hen's teeth. So it was a wonderful thing when the late Drew Ford teamed up with Sam Glanzman to reprint Glanzman's work. And for a while it went very well. And then Ford got in to financial trouble and the books took forever to be produced. And then Ford passed away at a very young age, and it looked like a number of those books would never see the light of day. But some good folks stepped forward and saved the projects that were in limbo. And here we are. So was it worth the wait? Yeah. Is it an almost forgotten classic? Not classic. But certainly interesting and definitely worth reading. Captain Willy Schultz is a U.S. Army officer in North Africa during World War II, who just happens to speak fluent native-sounding German. He's falsely accused of murdering his superior officer, court martialed and sentenced to death. He escapes and, ultimately ends up fighting as a German office for a while to survive. He also develops a serious aversion to killing. The series follows Schultz through the war as he floats back and forth between the two armies trying to avoid being executed as a murderer or as a spy. Franz was a capable writer, within the bounds of mid to late 1960s comic book writing. He was extremely young and that shows through both as a help and a hindrance. The book is clearly anti-war and though it's set in WWII, the aim is at Vietnam. And, again, that was unusual in comics at the time, which certainly makes it interesting. This was about a year before the famous "Make War No More" began showing up in Sgt. Rock. Franz pulls out a lot of the standard war comic tropes and there are at least two love interests to many, but overall it's a decently written series that is at least more interesting than the majority of comics, certainly war comics, of the time period. The art, by Sam Glanzman, is generally beyond reproach. If it isn't the equal of his work on U.S.S. Stevens...well...what is? Glanzman was a pro and war comics were where he shined. This is really no exception. So, was it worth the wait? Yeah. It was. It's dated and you have to remember the historical context. But, ultimately, it's a good and satisfying book and I'm glad it has finally seen the light of day. Note for the folks at CCF. I know that most of you know a lot of this info, but I post these across platforms, so it's easier not to have to tailor them to just here.
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Post by EdoBosnar on Jul 10, 2024 14:53:46 GMT -5
The Lonely War of Capt. Willy Schultz by Will Franz and Sam Glanzman
(...) Since I only pledged for the pdf version, I received and read my copy of this a few years back; however, I refrained from posting any comments or reviews anywhere until I was sure all or at least most of the folks who pledged for the physical book did in fact get it. And my feelings are mixed. I really did like the original material published back in the 1960s and am glad I had the chance to read it. However, I was really disappointed with that last, new chapter that wrapped everything up.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jul 10, 2024 14:59:58 GMT -5
The Lonely War of Capt. Willy Schultz by Will Franz and Sam Glanzman
(...) Since I only pledged for the pdf version, I received and read my copy of this a few years back; however, I refrained from posting any comments or reviews anywhere until I was sure all or at least most of the folks who pledged for the physical book did in fact get it. And my feelings are mixed. I really did like the original material published back in the 1960s and am glad I had the chance to read it. However, I was really disappointed with that last, new chapter that wrapped everything up.
I probably should have mentioned that, but didn't. That new chapter stunk on ice.
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