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Post by Cei-U! on Dec 7, 2021 12:03:24 GMT -5
SSoSV #7 features both Lex Luthor & Funky Flashman. At the end, Funky yanks off his toupee. When I saw that, I came to the conclusion that someone involved in the 1978 SUPERMAN movie (which came out a year later) had looked over that particular comic... and gotten the 2 villains confused. Doubtful. The movie would've been well into production before anyone at DC started work on SSoSV #7.
Cei-U! I summon the party pooper!
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Post by profh0011 on Dec 7, 2021 16:13:25 GMT -5
SSoSV #7 features both Lex Luthor & Funky Flashman. At the end, Funky yanks off his toupee. When I saw that, I came to the conclusion that someone involved in the 1978 SUPERMAN movie (which came out a year later) had looked over that particular comic... and gotten the 2 villains confused. Doubtful. The movie would've been well into production before anyone at DC started work on SSoSV #7.
NEVERTHELESS. And regardless of the circumstances or timing of the events.
In that movie, Gene Hackman was NOT playing "Lex Luthor".
He was playing STAN LEE.
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Post by The Captain on Dec 7, 2021 16:34:55 GMT -5
Wait... Larry Niven wrote a Green Lantern story??? Ganthet's Tales circa 1992. -M Somebody sent me this as part of the CCF Secret Santa Exchange a number of years ago.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 10, 2021 19:06:10 GMT -5
I’m still reading the original Fourth World stories. I still have a few stories left and I’ll be done with the Fourth World Omnibus Volume One.
Aside from all the tampering with the Superman faces, I’m really liking it.
I’m simultaneously horrified and fascinated by Flippa Dippa.
Flippa Dippa is Jack Kirby’s Jar Jar Binks.
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Post by Hoosier X on Dec 10, 2021 22:52:25 GMT -5
I’m reading New Gods #3, the first appearance of The Black Racer. I keep hearing the voice of Samuel L Jackson when I read his dialogue.
For Orion, I hear Patrick Warburton.
For Lightray, I hear Chris Hemsworth.
He doesn’t appear in this issue, but I hear Vincent Price for Darkseid.
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Post by profh0011 on Dec 11, 2021 11:07:08 GMT -5
Try Jack Palance as Darkseid.
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Post by tartanphantom on Dec 11, 2021 11:57:11 GMT -5
Try Jack Palance as Darkseid.
Or Krusty the Clown... that's the voice Keith Giffen would surely use.
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Post by kirby101 on Dec 11, 2021 14:11:08 GMT -5
Try Jack Palance as Darkseid. Perhaps some are unaware that5 Kirby used Palance as his model for Darkseid.
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Post by spoon on Dec 11, 2021 19:44:18 GMT -5
I read Legion of Super-Heroes Archives vol. 9 (reprinting the LOSH stories from Adventure Comics #377-380 and Action Comics #378-387, 389-392 [one issue was a reprint]). Although I have a Legion profile image, there are big gaps in the Legion stories I've read. I'd never read any of these stories before (and very little from the surrounding periods). I have read the first few years of Legion stories and these are far, far better.
I think of Jim Shooter mostly as the Marvel Editor-in-Chief who comes as very self-absorbed and arrogant, and who wrote grandiose stories, but he really is good as the LOSH wunderkind here. The characters are much more three-dimensional that in the early Legion stories. We get stories like the revelation that Matter-Eater Lad comes from the wrong side of the tracks, one Duo Damsel's selves turning to crime (which delves into the psychological trauma of the situation), and Timber Wolf dealing with drug addiction. The writing actually seems like it's helped from moving to smaller page counts as a back-up feature in Action. Shooter and other writers tend to use a small cast in each issue, and it works better that way. There is an emphasis on certain character who weren't as big in the eras I'm more familiar with, like Chemical King, M-E Lad, and Karate Kid (who croaked eventually). There are a couple of psychedelic moments, and a Legion Espionage Squad story that use Mission: Impossible elements. There are definitely more old-school type Legion stories as well, but with a bit more sophistication than the earlier Legion.
I'm probably going to go on to Archives vol. 10 next, although I might read something else.
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Post by profh0011 on Dec 11, 2021 21:45:22 GMT -5
I've long felt it almost tragic, and definitely sad, that Jim Shooter, as far as I'm concerned, did nearly all his best writing BEFORE graduating from high school.
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Post by spoon on Dec 11, 2021 23:21:53 GMT -5
I've long felt it almost tragic, and definitely sad, that Jim Shooter, as far as I'm concerned, did nearly all his best writing BEFORE graduating from high school. Yeah, I read some of his Avengers earlier this year (the stuff covered by the CCF Podcast, plus Emperor Doom, which he co-plotted IIRC). I read the Korvac Saga years back. Not that big of a fan of either; I prefer the Legion stories I read, even though in many ways they're simpler. He overdoes the grandiose. Another thing I forgot to mention in my post of LOSH Archives vol. 9 is that a lot of Legion couples are already at that point.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 12, 2021 8:53:23 GMT -5
To each his own. I loved his Avengers stories and he did good work in the Valiant / Broadway companies.
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Post by spoon on Dec 12, 2021 11:15:49 GMT -5
To each his own. I loved his Avengers stories and he did good work in the Valiant / Broadway companies. That second Avengers run covered by the podcast was okay, but for me the quality improved after Roger Stern took over.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2021 12:36:19 GMT -5
I am a big fan (mostly for nostalgic reasons rather than the actual quality of it) of Shooter's first run on Avengers, but I do not like his second run. I feel his decision to focus on the founders (plus Tigra) nd remove the characters that had become the core heart and soul of the team in issue 211 was a huge misstep that made the book feel bland and uninteresting since every character was having their main story told elsewhere and nothing real interesting could be done to them except smash 'em up fights. And those he could do things with (Hank and Jan) he made out of left field character decisions that were tantamount to character assassination. There was no depth of character and just shock value in the choices he made, which for me makes the worst kind of serialized super-hero storytelling (and was much more reminiscent of 90s Marvel storytelling than classic Bronze Age Marvel).
-M
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Post by profh0011 on Dec 12, 2021 17:28:33 GMT -5
those he could do things with (Hank and Jan) he made out of left field character decisions that were tantamount to character assassination. There was no depth of character and just shock value in the choices he made, which for me makes the worst kind of serialized super-hero storytelling Totally agree.
What gets me is the army of people over the years since that happened who have INSISTED that "it was a natural direction" and "they were always heading that way", etc.
The same kind of making excuses I also saw for what Kevin Dooley did to Hal Jordan, which violently poralized fans for the next 15 years after it happened.
I wish I could remember who it was online that once said...
"Jim Shooter had a habit of dumping characters into hell and then just leaving them there, as if he hated them all."
I saw repeated instances of his starting long storylines where some might say he was "putting characters THROUGH hell"-- except, he got off the books before the damage he inflicted ever got fixed... and always, by other, better writers.
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