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Post by berkley on Jun 5, 2021 18:19:34 GMT -5
I started reading Werewolf By Night the other day, which I really want to like, but Mike Ploog's cartoony art was as off-putting to me as Michael Golden on 'The Nam. I guess I had a certain expectation of Werewolf as a horror title. I'll see how far I get on the book. If you lose interest after Ploog leaves, you might try picking it up again with WbN #25, the issue where Don Perlin starts doing his own inks. Perlin had been the artist for several issues previous to that but until #25 the inking really ruined the whole look of the finished art for me . Once he started inking his own pencils, I thought the series entered its strongest run, as around the same time Doug Moench seemed to get a handle on what he wanted to do with it.
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Post by kirby101 on Jun 5, 2021 18:57:04 GMT -5
I never thought WBN or Ghost Rider or Man Thing was as good as when Ploog was on them.
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Post by profh0011 on Jun 5, 2021 21:59:38 GMT -5
Why do I suddenly think there's a Charles Addams or Gary Larson cartoon wanting to happen here?
I think I've more than said my piece about the whole Gwen situation. I've been sick to death of "Spider-Man" for DECADES, yet repeatedly, have found myself drawn to comment at painful length about that whole era, too many times.
Can anything be more cynical than an editor suggesting "Why don't we KILL OFF one of the main characters, just to shake things up?" And Roy didn't even care which one.
Then again, he's the guy who killed off Lady Dorma on her wedding day... just because HE was going thru a divorce.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jun 6, 2021 5:10:54 GMT -5
I started reading Werewolf By Night the other day, which I really want to like, but Mike Ploog's cartoony art was as off-putting to me as Michael Golden on 'The Nam. I guess I had a certain expectation of Werewolf as a horror title. I'll see how far I get on the book. If you lose interest after Ploog leaves, you might try picking it up again with WbN #25, the issue where Don Perlin starts doing his own inks. Perlin had been the artist for several issues previous to that but until #25 the inking really ruined the whole look of the finished art for me . Once he started inking his own pencils, I thought the series entered its strongest run, as around the same time Doug Moench seemed to get a handle on what he wanted to do with it. I will never, ever understand people who actually *like* Perlin's art... but to each their own.
Cei-U! I summon the eyesore!
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Post by brutalis on Jun 6, 2021 9:51:14 GMT -5
If you lose interest after Ploog leaves, you might try picking it up again with WbN #25, the issue where Don Perlin starts doing his own inks. Perlin had been the artist for several issues previous to that but until #25 the inking really ruined the whole look of the finished art for me . Once he started inking his own pencils, I thought the series entered its strongest run, as around the same time Doug Moench seemed to get a handle on what he wanted to do with it. I will never, ever understand people who actually *like* Perlin's art... but to each their own.
Cei-U! I summon the eyesore!
Not going to say he is my "favorite" artist out there, but Perlin has a certain kind of "charm" as a Ditkoish style. He certainly isn't a horrible artist and he does know how to pace and stage a story so that you can follow it and understand what is happening. And he does it without lots of repetitive panels or talking heads. I consider Perlin as the always dependable, reliable if not exciting B-Movie western. I can enjoy him without expecting a lot from him. If you haven't seen his earlier work check out his war stuff from Charlton. He, like Herb Trimpe were much different artistically until Stan MARVELIZED them into cranking out the house style done quickly but efficiently.
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Post by kirby101 on Jun 6, 2021 9:58:52 GMT -5
Perlin was the definition of a journeyman artist. That isn't a necessarily a negative thing. I thought his work at Valiant was good.
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Post by profh0011 on Jun 6, 2021 10:33:50 GMT -5
I wish Don Perlin had done the MOON KNIGHT series instead of Bill Sienkiewicz.
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Post by kirby101 on Jun 6, 2021 18:41:04 GMT -5
I wish Don Perlin had done the MOON KNIGHT series instead of Bill Sienkiewicz. Is it April 1st?
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Post by tarkintino on Jun 6, 2021 19:25:51 GMT -5
I wish Don Perlin had done the MOON KNIGHT series instead of Bill Sienkiewicz. Is it April 1st?
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jun 6, 2021 20:04:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure Gwen qualifies for the trope... she was an actual developed character, that had been around for a while, she wasn't created specifically to die like Alex.
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Post by berkley on Jun 6, 2021 22:11:49 GMT -5
I wish Don Perlin had done the MOON KNIGHT series instead of Bill Sienkiewicz. Is it April 1st? I actually agree with profh011 on this, at least to some extent: I liked the first few Sienkiewicz Moon Knight stories in the back pages of the Rampaging Hulk magazine, but in the MK solo series I thought his art looked rushed and unfinished and would have much preferred Perlin's MK during that span. But towards the end of his run Siekiewicz really came into his own and started experimenting in a very original and effective way, and I certainly wouldn't want to lose those MK comics. They're a minority of his total run, though.
Another problem is that Sienkiewicz's Neal Adams imitation, as good as it was much of the time, 1) was still an imitation, and 2) was one of the things that led to many people seeing MK as a second-rate Batman. It was only when he developed more of a personal style that I came to really admire his work.
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Post by badwolf on Jun 7, 2021 12:32:19 GMT -5
The premise is pretty solid traditional SF. 3/4 of the title shares its name with what is arguably the first dystopian novel, Mary Shelley’s “The Last Man.” The characterization in it is abysmal though unless you like characters who make the worst decision over and over and never learn no matter what their background, training or education. I see those as pretty fundamentally different ideas: in Shelley's book, Last Man means the last human being on earth, whereas in Y it's the last male human being in a world full of females. I find the former an interesting premise for a story, the latter, not very - though obviously lots of other people do, going by the popularity of the Y series. I really liked it when I read it, though I'm not sure how much re-read value it has. I think the main thing that kept me going was wanting to find out how Yorick survived. I know there were some red herrings along the way, and I forget what the actual explanation was now.
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Post by badwolf on Jun 7, 2021 12:50:37 GMT -5
Currently I'm reading the second Star Wars Omnibus (Marvel), which covers the period between The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. I'm not a SW fan per se, but I am reading these out of nostalgia (I had some random issues as a kid) and because I generally enjoy bronze age Marvel style, and will give almost anything from that period a shot. It also has some great talent including Walter Simonson, Carmine Infantino, Archie Goodwin, Al Williamson, Tom Palmer and others. I'm on the David Michelinie run now and while I am a fan of his other work (Iron Man, Avengers), this is a slight downturn from what came before. Just a little too light and jokey at times in a way that makes it seem more juvenile and tonally off from the previous content. Not bad though. I am getting what I expected from the book.
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Post by Slam_Bradley on Jun 7, 2021 12:51:40 GMT -5
I see those as pretty fundamentally different ideas: in Shelley's book, Last Man means the last human being on earth, whereas in Y it's the last male human being in a world full of females. I find the former an interesting premise for a story, the latter, not very - though obviously lots of other people do, going by the popularity of the Y series. I really liked it when I read it, though I'm not sure how much re-read value it has. I think the main thing that kept me going was wanting to find out how Yorick survived. I know there were some red herrings along the way, and I forget what the actual explanation was now. There was no actual explanation. Vaughan has said that one of the multiple explanations is the correct one, but hasn't said which one it is. I was largely unsatisfied with all the possible explanations.
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Post by Hoosier X on Jun 7, 2021 14:17:37 GMT -5
I'm not sure Gwen qualifies for the trope... she was an actual developed character, that had been around for a while, she wasn't created specifically to die like Alex. We must be discussing different definitions of the trope. I have never heard that the character had to have been specifically created just to die.
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