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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 0:24:52 GMT -5
Finished reading up through issue 12 of DNAgents now. The series has now introduced the new Crossfire, set up the Surge mini series and gone about radically changing the status quo with the Matrix corporation it had been setting up since #1. Each issue is still dense, but a lot of the character development has stalled a bit (mostly because a lot of the supporting cast that served as foils for the Agents was stripped away when the true story of the DNAgents origins and nature was leaked to the press and the story had them being ostracized by those who knew them and reviled by the public until they saved LA from a nuke in the resolution of the arc in the last couple of issues-this is what was behind the status quo shake up as well. Krell is ousted form Matrix and was part of the nuke plot, the corporation disowned them after the press leak, etc. so there is some uncertainty how things will proceed from their heroic triumph in #12. Turns out I only have 2 of the four issues of the Surge mini, that takes place between 12 and 13, so I need to order the other two, and I am going to switch over and dive into the first handful of issues of Crossfire which launched around the time #12 came out until I place the order and they arrive so I can read the mini before moving on to DNAgents 13. -M
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 13, 2020 7:03:14 GMT -5
Crossfire is one of my absolute favorite series of the '80, ranking up there with Elfquest, Nexus, Jonny Quest, and Love & Rockets. The Dan Spiegel art is fantastic, especially after the title switches to black-and-white. I really need to collect that run again.
Cei-U! I summon the creme de la creme!
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Post by chaykinstevens on Sept 13, 2020 7:51:47 GMT -5
I didn’t know it took for so long for Starro to have a second appearance. I’ve been wondering how many times Amazo appeared. And if Carthan from #4 ever appeared again. The JLA has a lame rogues gallery. Starro and Amazo both appeared in JLA #27 and #65 (Starro was just in one panel in #27, pinned to a wall). Amazo was also in JLA #112, 191 & 243-243, and DC Superstars #10, as well as fighting Superman in Superman #314, Action Comics #480-483 and Superman Special #3. Did they ever establish if his name should be pronounced like amaze or like amazon? I don't think Carthan ever returned.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 8:37:17 GMT -5
Trying some early Image titles. Wow. What a hot mess some of them were. Incoherent plots with pin up poses for art make up a lot of them unreadable. I think I will stick to later Image stuff like The Authority.
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Post by Hoosier X on Sept 13, 2020 10:34:15 GMT -5
I didn’t know it took for so long for Starro to have a second appearance. I’ve been wondering how many times Amazo appeared. And if Carthan from #4 ever appeared again. The JLA has a lame rogues gallery. Starro and Amazo both appeared in JLA #27 and #65 (Starro was just in one panel in #27, pinned to a wall). Amazo was also in JLA #112, 191 & 243-243, and DC Superstars #10, as well as fighting Superman in Superman #314, Action Comics #480-483 and Superman Special #3. Did they ever establish if his name should be pronounced like amaze or like amazon? I don't think Carthan ever returned. Thanks for the info! The return of Carthan should be the next JLA movie. Kanjar Ro, Hyathis, Kromm and Sayyar could be peripherally involved to set up the next one.
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Post by tartanphantom on Sept 13, 2020 10:36:00 GMT -5
Crossfire is one of my absolute favorite series of the '80, ranking up there with Elfquest, Nexus, Jonny Quest, and Love & Rockets. The Dan Spiegel art is fantastic, especially after the title switches to black-and-white. I really need to collect that run again. Cei-U! I summon the creme de la creme! I think Crossfire was one of the most criminally underrated books of the '80's. Trying some early Image titles. Wow. What a hot mess some of them were. Incoherent plots with pin up poses for art make up a lot of them unreadable. I think I will stick to later Image stuff like The Authority. I tend to agree with you about the early Image books. In my experience, Spawn was the only one that had any cohesiveness as a "decent read", but early on still had plenty of "What the heck is this?" moments. Savage Dragon wasn't too bad, but it wasn't great either. As far as storytelling goes, I think Valiant did a better job around the same time frame, probably due to Jim Shooter's ham-fisted method of running things. Just my opinions, yours may differ.
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Post by Cei-U! on Sept 13, 2020 10:47:38 GMT -5
I didn’t know it took for so long for Starro to have a second appearance. I’ve been wondering how many times Amazo appeared. And if Carthan from #4 ever appeared again. The JLA has a lame rogues gallery. Starro and Amazo both appeared in JLA #27 and #65 (Starro was just in one panel in #27, pinned to a wall). Amazo was also in JLA #112, 191 & 243-243, and DC Superstars #10, as well as fighting Superman in Superman #314, Action Comics #480-483 and Superman Special #3. Did they ever establish if his name should be pronounced like amaze or like amazon? I don't think Carthan ever returned. According to the original Who's Who, it's pronounced "uh-MAZE-oh."
Cei-U! They oughhta know!
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Post by dbutler69 on Sept 13, 2020 11:11:16 GMT -5
Starro and Amazo both appeared in JLA #27 and #65 (Starro was just in one panel in #27, pinned to a wall). Amazo was also in JLA #112, 191 & 243-243, and DC Superstars #10, as well as fighting Superman in Superman #314, Action Comics #480-483 and Superman Special #3. Did they ever establish if his name should be pronounced like amaze or like amazon? I don't think Carthan ever returned. According to the original Who's Who, it's pronounced "uh-MAZE-oh."
Cei-U! They oughhta know!
Good, because that's how I've always pronounced it!
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Post by dbutler69 on Sept 13, 2020 11:12:42 GMT -5
I've only ever read the first appearance and #8 (they are being auctioned off) of early JLA. I thought Starro was kind of cool. He, or should it be she, made a come-back two decades later, but what's time to a giant star shaped creature? This is my favorite Starro cover, and actually one of my favorite JLA covers of all time. Positivley chilling!
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Post by Batflunkie on Sept 13, 2020 12:59:52 GMT -5
Trying some early Image titles. Wow. What a hot mess some of them were. Incoherent plots with pin up poses for art make up a lot of them unreadable. I think I will stick to later Image stuff like The Authority. The only good Image titles from it's early days are Alan Moore's 1963 and The Maxx. Savage Dragon has some fairly fun moments too As far as storytelling goes, I think Valiant did a better job around the same time frame, probably due to Jim Shooter's ham-fisted method of running things. Just my opinions, yours may differ. Not getting his way on the formation of New Universe probably effected that a lot. Early Valaint kind of has a Silver-Age Marvel quality to it that's both charming and dated and I say that as someone who has much affection of the company
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Post by beccabear67 on Sept 13, 2020 13:20:47 GMT -5
It might be superficial, I was just a kid, but Crossfire's costume kept me from liking the character at all. A cool looking costume will cover a multitude of weaknesses, at least when you're a kid. Crossfire's seemed bland and uninspired (maybe it was functional or logical)? My loss.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 13:24:21 GMT -5
I am a big fan of early Valiant. I bought more Valiant (and Malibu Comics) in the early 90s than any other publishers. As far as early Image Savage Dragon and Spawn were the better ones IMO. As far as the "team" titles Wildcats was ok. Cyberforce and Youngblood were not.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2020 13:27:03 GMT -5
I did like the Image stuff late in the 90s like The Authority. Hunter Killer. And Alan Moore Supreme.
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Post by The Cheat on Sept 13, 2020 13:44:52 GMT -5
I'm working my way through Spawn now. I'm up to issue 100 and it's fairly readable. Most of the spin offs were terrible though (didn't read Bendis' Sam & Twitch, although I've heard good things about it).
Savage Dragon's "rawness" was part of the appeal for me. It was just Larsen having fun and doing what he wanted, and that enthusiasm really came through when I was reading it.
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Post by james on Sept 13, 2020 14:54:03 GMT -5
Re reading for the 5th or 6th time Death in the Family .
I have also Crisis On Infinite Earths and Watchmen on my yearly re-reading list.
Tis may have been asked but does anyone else have storylines that they re-read ever year?
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