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Post by Paste Pot Paul on Mar 30, 2016 9:28:30 GMT -5
So how about having a non plagiarism rule? I mean, it's true that one thinking he was reading Mecha's thoughts would have had a completely misleading experience, which defeats the purpose of a community, doesn't it? I mean, lifting some quotes is something, lifting whole paragraphs is another... In the end, if he had prefaced it by "I agree wholeheartedly with the following from..." it wouldn't have mattered one iota would it. I think its a wee bit of a mountain out of a mole hill scenario really, to me plagiarising is trying to benefit (monetarially (?) or educationally) from someone elses work, and that was never the case here.
Now me, I could have benefited from an education that would have learned me how to spell that dang word up there...if it even is a word, and now it is, so can I trademark it, and monetise it...
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Post by Confessor on Mar 30, 2016 9:47:14 GMT -5
So let me ask a few questions here about the subject Is plagiarism acceptable here? Is it acceptable for certain people only? Only on threads your not interested in? Are there double standards? Should the mods have sent a PM to the offender once it was pointed out to avoid a public shaming? I'm much more disappointed in the non-action of the caretakers of this forum for the lack of direction in this matter and just looked the other way. I received no private messages from them as well even though at least 2 of them acknowledged they knew what my gripe was about and only advised I act civilly. However, I think it was their realm as mods to be a bit more pro-active. There's not much more to say after Roquefort Raider and DE Sinclair's responses, but I will say this: I think it's a bit rich for you to publicly humiliate the poster in question and then accuse the mods of failing to intervene and "avoid a public shaming." Nobody forced you to name and shame. The decision to publicly shame was yours alone and wholly within your power to prevent by, you know, not publicly humiliating the person in question. We have no specific rules about plagiarism here at the CCF, because, for heaven's sake, this is a comics forum, not a university exam. Obviously copying and pasting stuff from elsewhere and not alerting people to the fact is a bit dishonest and should never be condoned, but nobody here has the time or inclination to check every single post for plagiarism. So, in that respect, everyone is on an honour system. Regarding the moderator's supposed "non-action", we were well aware of what was happening in this thread and in the review thread in question. But as DE Sinclair stated in his earlier reply to you, "If you choose to contact him/her via PM or by commenting in the thread, that's your choice but it must still be within the bounds of civility. Plagiarism has no place here, but neither does negative behavior towards fellow posters." Calling out the person publicly was quite enough; using terms like "thievery" and "intellectual fraud" was pushing it, IMO. Ultimately, the mods here did nothing more than issue a friendly in-thread warning about civility because no forum rules were broken. |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Mar 30, 2016 9:57:55 GMT -5
That CCF does not have a non-plagiarism rule and therefore helpless to stop is a bit disingenuous. Its a practice that is discouraged in any way its used in any form of media. We have teachers here, one of them helped create this board. Ask them how its discouraged in school.
This forum takes pride in its reviews and opinion pieces. Look at the home page itself and see how its highlighted. I would think you would like to maintain some minimum standards and rooting out persistent and substantive plagiarism is a no-brainer
I didn't want to send the offender a PM.Based on his personality, I did not want to go down that road. That's why I used a different thread to discuss it instead of a direct confrontation. I reported the crime, I felt it was not my place to act directly on behalf of the mods. The mods could have sent a simple PM stating plagiarism is intellectually immoral and that probably would have been the end of it. No heavy handed action was necessary but by keeping quiet it became public. Hell, I've received PMs from the mods, I think twice in the past, asking me to cool it.
Sure, I know about the ignore button. I also know the offender posts more often than just about anyone else. Each page I scroll would be filled with "this post has been blocked" messages.
I'm sick of this matter by now. I want to go back to my pudding and other things
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Post by DE Sinclair on Mar 30, 2016 10:49:51 GMT -5
So how about having a non plagiarism rule? I mean, it's true that one thinking he was reading Mecha's thoughts would have had a completely misleading experience, which defeats the purpose of a community, doesn't it? I mean, lifting some quotes is something, lifting whole paragraphs is another... OK, so we make a rule. Who is going to research each and every post to ensure that every statement is true and original?
The purpose of a community, this or any other one, is to support and enrich the lives of the members. Because someone has done something we may not agree with, do we continue to ostracize them? Or can we move on from this?
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Mar 30, 2016 10:55:31 GMT -5
So how about having a non plagiarism rule? I mean, it's true that one thinking he was reading Mecha's thoughts would have had a completely misleading experience, which defeats the purpose of a community, doesn't it? I mean, lifting some quotes is something, lifting whole paragraphs is another... OK, so we make a rule. Who is going to research each and every post to ensure that every statement is true and original?
The purpose of a community, this or any other one, is to support and enrich the lives of the members. Because someone has done something we may not agree with, do we continue to ostracize them? Or can we move on from this?
You don't have to do any research. If its brought to your attention, then a warning via PM would suffice |
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Post by DE Sinclair on Mar 30, 2016 10:58:53 GMT -5
That CCF does not have a non-plagiarism rule and therefore helpless to stop is a bit disingenuous. Its a practice that is discouraged in any way its used in any form of media. We have teachers here, one of them helped create this board. Ask them how its discouraged in school. This forum takes pride in its reviews and opinion pieces. Look at the home page itself and see how its highlighted. I would think you would like to maintain some minimum standards and rooting out persistent and substantive plagiarism is a no-brainer I didn't want to send the offender a PM.Based on his personality, I did not want to go down that road. That's why I used a different thread to discuss it instead of a direct confrontation. I reported the crime, I felt it was not my place to act directly on behalf of the mods. The mods could have sent a simple PM stating plagiarism is intellectually immoral and that probably would have been the end of it. No heavy handed action was necessary but by keeping quiet it became public. Hell, I've received PMs from the mods, I think twice in the past, asking me to cool it. Sure, I know about the ignore button. I also know the offender posts more often than just about anyone else. Each page I scroll would be filled with "this post has been blocked" messages. I'm sick of this matter by now. I want to go back to my pudding and other things Damned if we do, damned if we don't. Do you know how many times we get arguments back from members on clear infractions of posted rules? Even rules that are totally black and white and simple, like no nudity. Had we intervened, the most likely response would have been "Is there a rule against it?" Which there isn't. If you would like to continue the discussion of if this should or should not become a rule, feel free to contact us via PM. At this point I think the member has been pilloried enough. |
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Post by Arthur Gordon Scratch on Mar 30, 2016 11:00:55 GMT -5
So how about having a non plagiarism rule? I mean, it's true that one thinking he was reading Mecha's thoughts would have had a completely misleading experience, which defeats the purpose of a community, doesn't it? I mean, lifting some quotes is something, lifting whole paragraphs is another... OK, so we make a rule. Who is going to research each and every post to ensure that every statement is true and original?
The purpose of a community, this or any other one, is to support and enrich the lives of the members. Because someone has done something we may not agree with, do we continue to ostracize them? Or can we move on from this?
 I never said anywhere I disagree with someone, again a gross misreading of what I said : I merely suggested it could be stated that plagiarism isn't welcomed here, that should suffice. But unless anything is said, it's the wild west. If members still want to go past this, so be it, I'm not suggesting any kind of punishment or anything. I personnaly have nothing against Mecha. I was just thinking that as I like to know the thoughts and thought pattern of others (and thought I did), well, I was missled in this case, didn't say I was offended by that, no big deal... Don't jump the gun. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 12:03:19 GMT -5
^^^^^ Damned if we do, damned if we don't. Do you know how many times we get arguments back from members on clear infractions of posted rules? Huh. I can only imagine. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 15:07:24 GMT -5
Sure, I know about the ignore button. I also know the offender posts more often than just about anyone else. Each page I scroll would be filled with "this post has been blocked" messages. There are worse things. On another forum I've blocked something like 7 frequent posters with political & related views I find odious; at times I'll get a good half-dozen or more "message ignored" notifications in a row. I find it more amusing than anything else. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 18:15:13 GMT -5
Sure, I know about the ignore button. I also know the offender posts more often than just about anyone else. Each page I scroll would be filled with "this post has been blocked" messages. There are worse things. On another forum I've blocked something like 7 frequent posters with political & related views I find odious; at times I'll get a good half-dozen or more "message ignored" notifications in a row. I find it more amusing than anything else. The ignore feature is a joke. It is meant to keep the surface pleasant, but does NOTHING to ensure the safety of posters who should not have to be exposed to other posters. Not when the option to view a post is still there. There is a difference between a poster being simply annoying, and a poster being dangerous.
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 30, 2016 18:33:58 GMT -5
There are worse things. On another forum I've blocked something like 7 frequent posters with political & related views I find odious; at times I'll get a good half-dozen or more "message ignored" notifications in a row. I find it more amusing than anything else. The ignore feature is a joke. It is meant to keep the surface pleasant, but does NOTHING to ensure the safety of posters who should not have to be exposed to other posters. Not when the option to view a post is still there. There is a difference between a poster being simply annoying, and a poster being dangerous.
The ignore feature does nothing to make anyone feel safe. And that is my opinion on the ignore feature/button. That's why its best to try to get along and not take things too seriously. This is a nice friendly atmosphere, for the most part and the best forum I've ever been part of. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 18:36:40 GMT -5
The ignore feature is a joke. It is meant to keep the surface pleasant, but does NOTHING to ensure the safety of posters who should not have to be exposed to other posters. Not when the option to view a post is still there. There is a difference between a poster being simply annoying, and a poster being dangerous.
The ignore feature does nothing to make anyone feel safe. And that is my opinion on the ignore feature/button. That's why its best to try to get along and not take things too seriously. This is a nice friendly atmosphere, for the most part and the best forum I've ever been part of. Right. I get that. This forum is like a big group of brothers for me. Mostly. It's not about me trying to get along with people. I think I get along with most here quite wonderfully.  |
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Mar 30, 2016 18:38:26 GMT -5
The ignore feature is a joke. I That's why its best to try to get along and not take things too seriously. This is a nice friendly atmosphere, for the most part and the best forum I've ever been part of. I love you too iccy. And I don't want to be part of your R.I.P. roll call. |
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Post by Icctrombone on Mar 30, 2016 18:42:28 GMT -5
That's why its best to try to get along and not take things too seriously. This is a nice friendly atmosphere, for the most part and the best forum I've ever been part of. I love you too iccy. And I don't want to be part of your R.I.P. roll call. I have shown restraint in the roll call recently ignoring Patty Duke and James Noble . |
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Post by Spike-X on Mar 30, 2016 18:42:36 GMT -5
That CCF does not have a non-plagiarism rule and therefore helpless to stop is a bit disingenuous. Its a practice that is discouraged in any way its used in any form of media. We have teachers here, one of them helped create this board. Ask them how its discouraged in school. This forum takes pride in its reviews and opinion pieces. Look at the home page itself and see how its highlighted. I would think you would like to maintain some minimum standards and rooting out persistent and substantive plagiarism is a no-brainer I didn't want to send the offender a PM.Based on his personality, I did not want to go down that road. That's why I used a different thread to discuss it instead of a direct confrontation. I reported the crime, I felt it was not my place to act directly on behalf of the mods. The mods could have sent a simple PM stating plagiarism is intellectually immoral and that probably would have been the end of it. No heavy handed action was necessary but by keeping quiet it became public. Hell, I've received PMs from the mods, I think twice in the past, asking me to cool it. Sounds to me like you're upset that the mods refuse to be your personal attack dogs, more than anything else. Sure, I know about the ignore button. I also know the offender posts more often than just about anyone else. Each page I scroll would be filled with "this post has been blocked" messages. So? |
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