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Post by tingramretro on Jan 22, 2016 12:30:43 GMT -5
And that retcon of the retcon has itself been retconned - the last volume of Uncanny Avengers turned Wanda and Pietro back into the Whizzer's children (or something - I forget the details, but they're definitely not Magneto's any more. Or not until mutants are back in fashion and inhumans are out again) Actually, I believe they're now creations of the High Evolutionary.
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Post by Confessor on Jan 22, 2016 13:03:15 GMT -5
Not really. It was more just a case of nobody ever mentioning the story or the new powers it granted Spidey ever again. Parts of the story got revisited for the Spider Verse arc. Oh really? I don't recall that, but then I was only reading the main Spider-Verse story in ASM, rather than any of the spin offs or tie-ins. A mention or appearance of The Other storyline from Spider-Verse doesn't really count though because that story pretty much included every conceivable version of Spider-Man from across multiple universes. It's not as if the regular comics Spider-Man ever used those powers again and neither were they specifically retconned away by a later writer.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Jan 22, 2016 15:49:40 GMT -5
See, I couldn't figure out why Marvel chose to screw up those Lee/Ditko tales exactly for this reason. With his present a mess, it seemed that readers could at least say, "Well, things are pretty bad now, but at least we have those old stories to remind us why we should be rooting for the guy". With Chapter One however, it seemed as if Marvel was dead set on making Spider-Man's timeline a wasteland of bad stories.
Did someone go into your room and erase all the Lee/Ditko stories from your books? "Oh for... DAMN it Tom Brevoort, get out of my closet! And gimme my white-out back!"
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Post by wildfire2099 on Jan 22, 2016 16:01:37 GMT -5
There are a lot of comic book series and storylines that were written only to be abandoned because it was a poorly conceived idea. I find it interesting when editors commit to a story only to have second thoughts and abandon them later. Avengers: the Crossing just torpedoed all my love for the Assemblers that I grew up with. Tony a murderer under the control of Immortus, Wasp turned into an insect , Teenage Stark taking over. Terrible. There is no way the horrible-ness of the Crossing can be understated. Also, there is no way that Kurt Busiek can be thanked enough for logically writing it out of existance. Huzzah for Avengers Forever!
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Post by dupersuper on Jan 22, 2016 22:49:04 GMT -5
Leslie Thompkins letting Stephanie die.
Wil Magnus becoming a Metal Man.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 23, 2016 11:29:30 GMT -5
I seem to remember Sharon Carter getting killed off camera in a fire. They reversed it a few years later.
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Post by Crimebuster on Jan 23, 2016 12:32:21 GMT -5
I seem to remember Sharon Carter getting killed off camera in a fire. They reversed it a few years later. Quite a few years later. She died in Captain America #237 (September, 1979) and wasn't brought back until #445 (November, 1995).
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 23, 2016 12:36:56 GMT -5
One of the few deaths I can think of that was never retconned (though I've not read too many comics since the mid-90s, so this may have changed) is that of Pam Hawley.
Hoping that it remains sacrosanct.
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 23, 2016 12:47:47 GMT -5
One of the few deaths I can think of that was never retconned (though I've not read too many comics since the mid-90s, so this may have changed) is that of Pam Hawley. Hoping that it remains sacrosanct. And preceding that was Howling Commando Junior Juniper. Both deaths made you believe that no one was really safe in the comic series. Then they ruined it by having the Annual tell the stories of the Howlers in the Korean War and Vietnam and you now knew they would all survive
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Post by chadwilliam on Jan 23, 2016 14:02:22 GMT -5
In the first volume of Swamp Thing, there was a storyline involving Swampy being turned back into Alec Holland that was so ill-received that it was erased by editorial fiat, in the letter column of Saga Of The Swamp Thing #6. "In issue #6, editor Len Wein declared, in response to a published letter, that Alec never had a brother and that every Swamp Thing series story after issue #21 of the original series never happened."
This reminds me of something that happened in the Batman titles around 1985. After several years of establishing that Catwoman knew Batman's true identity, several people wrote in to ask why she had to be blindfolded in a recent issue when Batman drove her to the BatCave. The response was that from here on in, Catwoman doesn't know and has never known Batman's secret identity. I don't know if that was ever reflected within the stories themselves - Mike Barr did after all do that Joker two-parter in which she had that knowledge taken from her - but it was announced as the new status quo. Weird thing is, I don't think there was ever a story explaining how she learned his real identity in the first place - she just suddenly knew starting around 1980 or so.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2016 17:56:14 GMT -5
Peter Parker making a deal with the devil so that he was never married to Mary Jane.
Wait...what? It still wasn't retconned? That's right...I'm still waiting on that.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 25, 2016 9:47:07 GMT -5
Peter Parker making a deal with the devil so that he was never married to Mary Jane. Wait...what? It still wasn't retconned? That's right...I'm still waiting on that. I don't read Spider-man but I thought the "deal" was a reset that no one remembers.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 25, 2016 9:49:08 GMT -5
The "wave the magic wand" method seems to be the most popular way of changing continuity. When Franklin Richards brought everyone back from Heroes Reborn in their previous incarnations , no one complained.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2016 9:54:59 GMT -5
Peter Parker making a deal with the devil so that he was never married to Mary Jane. Wait...what? It still wasn't retconned? That's right...I'm still waiting on that. I don't read Spider-man but I thought the "deal" was a reset that no one remembers. The deal was that Mephisto would save his Aunt May from dying if they gave up their marriage. Which is what happened. Yes no one remembers but that was only part of the deal.
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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 25, 2016 9:57:03 GMT -5
Green Lantern (Hal) came back and the reset button was hit. They just blamed a yellow fear monster.
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