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Post by Icctrombone on Jan 21, 2016 21:17:03 GMT -5
There are a lot of comic book series and storylines that were written only to be abandoned because it was a poorly conceived idea. I find it interesting when editors commit to a story only to have second thoughts and abandon them later. Avengers: the Crossing just torpedoed all my love for the Assemblers that I grew up with. Tony a murderer under the control of Immortus, Wasp turned into an insect , Teenage Stark taking over. Terrible.
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Post by shaxper on Jan 21, 2016 21:20:03 GMT -5
Batman Year Two wasn't entirely terrible, but it's use of Joe Chill was.
I'm assuming Spider-Man: The Other eventually got retconned?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2016 21:51:42 GMT -5
did DC ever fix turning the Red Tornado into a "trapped Air elemental, so he'll fit in w/ Swamp Thing's "the green" concept)
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 21, 2016 23:00:48 GMT -5
The Hunted Metal Men (which I recall kinda liking, but it was likely just a ploy to stave off cancellation or try to keep pace somehow with Marvel)
Super-Hero Blackhawks (which I recall not liking one bit, but it was likely just a ploy to stave off cancellation or try to keep pace somehow with Marvel)
Non-Super-Hero Teen Titans (which I recall being intrigued by, but it was likely just a ploy to stave off cancellation, be relevant, and/ or try to keep pace somehow with Marvel)
The Mike Murdock Era (Wasn't a DD reader then, but it just seemed dumb; maybe it wasn't?)
Justice League Detroit (Hoo boy... I'd read JLA almost since Starro attacked and stayed through #200, but when I saw this mess, I said sayonara. Steel? Vibe? Gypsy? Why didn't they just rename the group FutureCannon Fodder?)
Hex (Talk about taking a great character and concept out in the alley and kicking it to death!)
Sorry, just saw the full thread title, and I have no idea if any of these were offically "retconned," but they were gotten rid of in various ways.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jan 21, 2016 23:04:10 GMT -5
Heroes Reborn comes to mind....
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Post by Confessor on Jan 21, 2016 23:09:30 GMT -5
I'm assuming Spider-Man: The Other eventually got retconned? Not really. It was more just a case of nobody ever mentioning the story or the new powers it granted Spidey ever again. The Mike Murdock Era (Wasn't a DD reader then, but it just seemed dumb; maybe it wasn't?) Oh no, it was plenty dumb. And it just went on and on and on...and on a while longer...and then it went on just a bit more. Hex (Talk about taking a great character and concept out in the alley and kicking it to death!) I've never read any of the Hex series, despite being a big fan of Jonah Hex, both in the Bronze Age and the Modern Age. The whole idea of sending Hex to the future to be a Mad Max clone, fighting outlaw biker gangs and mutants in a post-apocalyptic landscape just sounds awful. But I've met at least two fans of Jonah Hex who reckon that, actually, it was better than you might think. So, I probably will give it a try when I've completed my Bronze Age Jonah Hex collection.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jan 21, 2016 23:15:19 GMT -5
Hex (Talk about taking a great character and concept out in the alley and kicking it to death!) I've never read any of the Hex series, despite being a big fan of Jonah Hex, both in the Bronze Age and the Modern Age. The whole idea of sending Hex to the future to be a Mad Max clone, fighting outlaw biker gangs and mutants in a post-apocalyptic landscape just sounds awful. But I've met at least two fans of Jonah Hex who reckon that, actually, it was better than you might think. So, I probably will give it a try when I've completed my Bronze Age Jonah Hex collection. If they'd wanted to do Lobo, they should have just invented him three years ealier.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Jan 21, 2016 23:24:46 GMT -5
There are a lot of comic book series and storylines that were written only to be abandoned because it was a poorly conceived idea. I find it interesting when editors commit to a story only to have second thoughts and abandon them later. Avengers: the Crossing just torpedoed all my love for the Assemblers that I grew up with. Tony a murderer under the control of Immortus, Wasp turned into an insect , Teenage Stark taking over. Terrible. Oddly enough, that was the first thing I thought of too. It's like they had a meeting to come up with all the ways they could destroy the Avengers.
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Post by foxley on Jan 21, 2016 23:56:27 GMT -5
I've never read any of the Hex series, despite being a big fan of Jonah Hex, both in the Bronze Age and the Modern Age. The whole idea of sending Hex to the future to be a Mad Max clone, fighting outlaw biker gangs and mutants in a post-apocalyptic landscape just sounds awful. But I've met at least two fans of Jonah Hex who reckon that, actually, it was better than you might think. So, I probably will give it a try when I've completed my Bronze Age Jonah Hex collection. The Hex series is better than it has any right to be. I read an interview with Michael Fleisher where he said that the decision to cancel Jonah Hex had already been made, and the Hex series was a last desperate throw of the dice in an attempt to keep the character going on. Fleisher did a good job on the writing, and kept up the wonderful line in sarcasm he had given Jonah in the original series. And it has great Mark Texeira art. (Is Texeira still working in comics? I don't recall seeing anything from him the last few years.) The book only fell apart when Texeira left and was replaced by Keith Giffen. Giffen is great artist in many ways, but he was totally wrong for a book like Hex.
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Post by foxley on Jan 21, 2016 23:57:57 GMT -5
Cassandra Cain as a villain and head of the League of Assassins was quickly retconned after a huge outcry from her legion of fans.
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Post by dcindexer on Jan 21, 2016 23:59:32 GMT -5
One word... Mopee
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Post by Ish Kabbible on Jan 22, 2016 0:12:39 GMT -5
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Post by Warmonger on Jan 22, 2016 0:16:53 GMT -5
Agreed with Prince Hal on the "Mike Murdock" era
Cringeworthy...
Don't even know if that's doing it justice.
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Post by chadwilliam on Jan 22, 2016 0:17:33 GMT -5
Spider-Man: Chapter One was a retcon that was retconned because it was terrible.
Which reminded me of another of Byrne's retcons... One of the barnacles added to Superman's story when he took over the character was that Lois didn't suspect Clark Kent was Superman because Ma and Pa Kent told her that they were raised as brothers in Smallville. Now, this isn't really a storyline, but given the importance a detail like this should have had coupled with the fact that I don't recall it ever being referenced again, am I right in believing that it was retconned?
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Post by Nowhere Man on Jan 22, 2016 0:29:41 GMT -5
Byrne seemed obsessed with retcons in the late 90's. One that I hated was that Hulk annual that inserted the Skrulls into the Hulk's origin. I believe Peter David retconned that one. Chapter One was another obvious mistake, but to be fair to Byrne, he was on the right track. DeFalco and Co. all but destroyed Spider-Man with that Clone Saga BS.
I think Valeria Richard's existence is a mistake. Byrne wrote a powerful issues of the FF and it was retconned, I feel, as a dig at Byrne. I'm not saying that Byrne didn't deserve it (he's certainly done stuff like that himself) but doing that to a story where a character experienced a miscarriage doesn't sit well with me.
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