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Post by profh0011 on Oct 13, 2020 11:59:13 GMT -5
It blew my mind years back when I realized what was really going on at Marvel in the 60s. Connected with that, the realization that so much of AMAZING SPIDER-MAN the first few years was semi-autobiographical in nature...
Peter Parker -- Steve Ditko Betty Brant -- Flo Steinberg J. Jonah Jameson -- Stan Lee
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Post by Prince Hal on Oct 13, 2020 12:39:04 GMT -5
It blew my mind years back when I realized what was really going on at Marvel in the 60s. Connected with that, the realization that so much of AMAZING SPIDER-MAN the first few years was semi-autobiographical in nature... Peter Parker -- Steve Ditko Betty Brant -- Flo Steinberg J. Jonah Jameson -- Stan Lee I hope you’re not going to say that Aunt May was Marie Severin.
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Post by zaku on Oct 13, 2020 13:31:08 GMT -5
Interestingly, I don't think this was ever retconned. Well, it wasn't ever referenced ever again and every following retelling of Superman's origin clearly said that his parents died when Krypton exploded. And for what it's worth, Crisis on Infinite Earths: The Compendium established that the entire issue detailed events that took place on Earth-Thirty-Two.
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Post by chadwilliam on Oct 13, 2020 13:58:02 GMT -5
Interestingly, I don't think this was ever retconned. Well, it wasn't ever referenced ever again and every following retelling of Superman's origin clearly said that his parents died when Krypton exploded. And for what it's worth, Crisis on Infinite Earths: The Compendium established that the entire issue detailed events that took place on Earth-Thirty-Two. I think it's safe to say that "never mentioned again" is pretty much the same as "retconned". I hope I wasn't coming across as argumentative - it's just amusing to me to think that theoretically, the higher ups at DC could have said "Boy, it's a good thing that we established that whole 'Jor-El and Lara are still out there' never actually happened!" followed by "um, I don't think we did!" Actually, I don't think I've ever read that Superboy tale (though I heard of it long ago) but I have read that Black Zero issue and the 'Super-hypnotic glasses' issue and honestly think that as stories, they're honestly pretty good. I certainly don't abide by them, but it would be disingenuous of me to say I wasn't entertained.
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Post by zaku on Oct 13, 2020 16:22:59 GMT -5
Well, it wasn't ever referenced ever again and every following retelling of Superman's origin clearly said that his parents died when Krypton exploded. And for what it's worth, Crisis on Infinite Earths: The Compendium established that the entire issue detailed events that took place on Earth-Thirty-Two. I think it's safe to say that "never mentioned again" is pretty much the same as "retconned". Yep! Absolutely not! I don't understand how they could think that it was a good idea in the first place. I know that continuity was a tenuous concept in the Silver Age, but really, this is too much! And this was a Superboy story, so it was a little strange that Superman never thought something like "I can't forget that time I found my natural parents in space when I was a boy!" ETA according to the good Brian Cronin, this story retconneted in turn previous stories! The Abandoned An’ Forsaked - Did Superman's Parents Seriously Survive the Destruction of Krypton?
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Post by zaku on Oct 14, 2020 1:44:37 GMT -5
Another story that wasn't been explicitly retconnected but more "we won't talk about this because it was a really stupid idea" is the infamous Superman #330 Here we found that Superman has always always subconsciously hypnotized the world into believing that Clark Kent was a more frail person than he really was. Like the Superboy story, DC never explicitly said "This never happened!!" but: - It wasn't ever mentioned again
- It contradicts a lot of previous and following stories
- The concept doesn't make any sense for a looooooot of reasons (even in the twisted logic of supehero comics)
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Post by dbutler69 on Oct 14, 2020 7:53:51 GMT -5
Another story that wasn't been explicitly retconnected but more "we won't talk about this because it was a really stupid idea" is the infamous Superman #330 Here we found that Superman has always always subconsciously hypnotized the world into believing that Clark Kent was a more frail person than he really was. Like the Superboy story, DC never explicitly said "This never happened!!" but: - It wasn't ever mentioned again
- It contradicts a lot of previous and following stories
- The concept doesn't make any sense for a looooooot of reasons (even in the twisted logic of supehero comics)
I see that, according to dcfandom.com, the Crisis on Infinite Earths: Absolute Edition lists this story as an appearance of Earth-Thirty-Two (which apparently has 81 appearances in the history of the DC Universe).
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Post by brutalis on Oct 14, 2020 8:31:23 GMT -5
DC Earth-32, the File 13 (trash bin) of unwanted stories or concepts. There, I said it!
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Post by MDG on Oct 14, 2020 8:50:04 GMT -5
Another story that wasn't been explicitly retconnected but more "we won't talk about this because it was a really stupid idea" is the infamous Superman #330 Here we found that Superman has always always subconsciously hypnotized the world into believing that Clark Kent was a more frail person than he really was. Like the Superboy story, DC never explicitly said "This never happened!!" but: - It wasn't ever mentioned again
- It contradicts a lot of previous and following stories
- The concept doesn't make any sense for a looooooot of reasons (even in the twisted logic of supehero comics)
I see that, according to dcfandom.com, the Crisis on Infinite Earths: Absolute Edition lists this story as an appearance of Earth-Thirty-Two (which apparently has 81 appearances in the history of the DC Universe). IIRC, the concept was sent in by a reader and they built a story around it.
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Post by mikelmidnight on Oct 14, 2020 12:37:30 GMT -5
Another story that wasn't been explicitly retconnected but more "we won't talk about this because it was a really stupid idea" is the infamous Superman #330 Here we found that Superman has always always subconsciously hypnotized the world into believing that Clark Kent was a more frail person than he really was. Like the Superboy story, DC never explicitly said "This never happened!!" but: - It wasn't ever mentioned again
- It contradicts a lot of previous and following stories
- The concept doesn't make any sense for a looooooot of reasons (even in the twisted logic of supehero comics)
That story immediately on publication became one of my continuity pet peeves.
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Post by Ozymandias on Nov 30, 2020 17:42:54 GMT -5
I believe all of these are still in-continuity aside from the Super-Hero Blackhawks … they're just not spoken of ever. I actually liked Mike Murdock! Yeah, I didn't mind those issues either. I can understand why the Mike Murdock sub-plot bugs a lot of readers - it's crazy and unbelievable even for superhero comics and I've been put off by similar things myself in other cases - but for whatever reason it didn't and doesn't bother me in this instance - probably in part because Colan's artwork was a the main attraction at the time anyway, but perhaps also it felt right for DD's swash-buckling, wise-cracking persona. Just as well it didn't last too long, I suppose, but for those few issues I found it amusing. Looks like you guys weren't the only ones who liked him, because Charles Soule brought him back, and this time for real (sort of).
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Post by berkley on Dec 1, 2020 3:36:07 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn't mind those issues either. I can understand why the Mike Murdock sub-plot bugs a lot of readers - it's crazy and unbelievable even for superhero comics and I've been put off by similar things myself in other cases - but for whatever reason it didn't and doesn't bother me in this instance - probably in part because Colan's artwork was a the main attraction at the time anyway, but perhaps also it felt right for DD's swash-buckling, wise-cracking persona. Just as well it didn't last too long, I suppose, but for those few issues I found it amusing. Looks like you guys weren't the only ones who liked him, because Charles Soule brought him back, and this time for real (sort of).
Soule, I haven't read, but I can't imagine an artist who could bring that version of Daredevil - the one that made the Mike Murdock storyline fun for me - back to life today.
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Post by Ozymandias on Dec 1, 2020 3:55:42 GMT -5
Well, Soule is one of the few writers who's not jumped on the "fun wagon", but DD 606-608 are entertaining nonetheless. Artist was Phil Noto.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2020 11:00:53 GMT -5
And Zdarsky is using Mike Murdock in his current run
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Post by starscape on Dec 1, 2020 16:52:39 GMT -5
Another story that wasn't been explicitly retconnected but more "we won't talk about this because it was a really stupid idea" is the infamous Superman #330 Here we found that Superman has always always subconsciously hypnotized the world into believing that Clark Kent was a more frail person than he really was. Like the Superboy story, DC never explicitly said "This never happened!!" but: - It wasn't ever mentioned again
- It contradicts a lot of previous and following stories
- The concept doesn't make any sense for a looooooot of reasons (even in the twisted logic of supehero comics)
I see that, according to dcfandom.com, the Crisis on Infinite Earths: Absolute Edition lists this story as an appearance of Earth-Thirty-Two (which apparently has 81 appearances in the history of the DC Universe). Whaaaaat? This is one of those stories I often bring up whenever someone mentions Clark Kent. It's more believable than the alternative.
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