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Post by shaxper on Dec 15, 2015 19:59:54 GMT -5
Potter lasted all of two issues, but looking closer now, Perez got a lot of assists from Len Wein, who did the scripting on those early issues after Potter left. So yes, it looks like I'll have to temper my enthusiasm a few degrees. But only a few. I don't know, I think Perez's Wonder Woman would have been vastly different if he weren't handed Potter's version of the Amazons and Paradise Island as a starting point, if for instance he had been given Azzarello's version of the Amazons instead, the end product would be vastly different than what it iwas even if Perez had been the one executing it. I think the foundation Potter provided in the establishing the core elements of the reboot is a lot more than a little help, certainly a lot more than the scripting Len Wein provided and at least equal to Wolfman's contribution to "Byrne's" reboot of Superman even if Potter didn't stay on the project as long. Most of his work was done before Perez came on board. -M It was Diana's characterization that left the most enduring legacy, as far as I'm concerned. There's no doubt that the premise was worthwhile, nor that there were editorial demands for a Wonder Woman reboot that even drove what Potter contributed, but, in the end, it's what Perez did to bring the character to life that resounded, almost regardless of the context.
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Post by Action Ace on Dec 15, 2015 20:02:21 GMT -5
My first dip into the weirded out... #10...
Fred Hembeck
First came across his small but sweet gag strips in DCs published between 1979-81 in the Daily Planet page. When I don't feel to read an entire comic and just want a quick fix with something goofy and off the wall, guys like Fred work just fine. The first of 2 'quick fix' submissions in my list. I had made a couple of drafts when I had a "v-8 moment" and remembered him. I'm glad someone else had him too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 20:03:45 GMT -5
It was Diana's characterization that left the most enduring legacy, as far as I'm concerned. There's no doubt that the premise was worthwhile, nor that there were editorial demands for a Wonder Woman reboot that even drove what Potter contributed, but, in the end, it's what Perez did to bring the character to life that resounded, almost regardless of the context. I was editing my post to add this bit: Not that Perez's run was less than phenomenal, or that he didn't do the heavy lifting on the production of the run for most of it (he gave up the art and wrote part of it later in the run), but there were a lot of cooks in the kitchen so I don't think he single-handedly redefined Wonder Woman. while you were responding. -M
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Post by shaxper on Dec 15, 2015 20:10:28 GMT -5
It was Diana's characterization that left the most enduring legacy, as far as I'm concerned. There's no doubt that the premise was worthwhile, nor that there were editorial demands for a Wonder Woman reboot that even drove what Potter contributed, but, in the end, it's what Perez did to bring the character to life that resounded, almost regardless of the context. I was editing my post to add this bit: Not that Perez's run was less than phenomenal, or that he didn't do the heavy lifting on the production of the run for most of it (he gave up the art and wrote part of it later in the run), but there were a lot of cooks in the kitchen so I don't think he single-handedly redefined Wonder Woman. while you were responding. -M Yep. I conceded as much a few posts back. I also think "single-handedly" is a rare thing in comics all together, regardless of who else has outright taken credit for their contributions. No creator works in a vacuum. Even when there aren't editorial demands (and there most certainly were in this circumstance), there are associate editors, colleagues, spouses, and roommates who serve as a sounding board for your work and ideas and end up making contributions, big and small. With the possible exception of Dave Sim, no creator is a total island unto himself. Granted, Potter was more than just a sounding board here, but in doing the "heavy lifting" you describe, Perez created all the redefining aspects of Diana that mattered to me, and so I think that's still pretty damn significant. In the end, I think we're pretty much agreeing with each other. We're just too proud to admit it
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Post by Action Ace on Dec 15, 2015 20:23:31 GMT -5
#10 Michael Ramirez
He's a conservative editorial cartoonist who is currently working at Investor's Business Daily. In fact, he works as both the co-editor of the editorial page itself and cartoonist and has about four hours each weekday to make his deadline. He previously worked at the Commercial Appeal in Memphis and the Los Angeles Times. Mr. Ramirez is a two time winner of the Pulitzer Prize in both 1994 and 2008. The first time he won, there was a protest of his award. Since no one knew what he looked like in those pre internet days, he joined in the protest and still has one of the picket signs in his office.
He's on my list because he is one of the best in the business, in any form of media, at making the conservative political argument. He's #10 on this year's list, but when his Obama Administration cartoons are added in a decade, he's sure to climb higher.
up next at #9...Fantagraphics got him on this list with their reprints and volume 12 is on my Christmas list
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Post by benday-dot on Dec 15, 2015 20:35:08 GMT -5
Sam GlanzmanI wish I’d read more of his work when he used to frequent Ithacon, since he was always very open. He had a white ponytail that reached to the middle of his back and I think he’d sometimes make the trip on his motorcycle (this was in the 80s or 90s). Did you happen to see that autobiographical piece Glanzman did for the Twomorrows Streetwise one-shot back in the early 2000's? It is just as you say. Glanzman draws himself, long ponytail and all, making trips on his motorcycle to or from his home in the back country, often too with his dog (Lucky or Lady?) by his side. It was a real heart breaker when he recounts the death of his dog. It was a very sweet and endearing story.
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Post by benday-dot on Dec 15, 2015 20:39:53 GMT -5
On the third day of Christmas, my cartoonist list gave me... #10... Will EisnerI don't think many people will argue against Eisner's status as an American comic god. His bold and innovative storytelling, his incorporation of imaginative designs, his great senseof humour and his deep humanity all contribute to make him a towering figure in the field. Heck, he's one of a handful of American cartoonists whose work I introduced my mother to, despite her general dislike of anything resembling American an comic book. What a perfect tribute to Eisner. He was on and off my list dozen times. If I was making a strictly intellectual list he would be at the top no doubt. And of course Eisner's work is rich with emotion, but the kid in me ended up being a bully and wouldn't let the old master on. Shame on me.
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Post by DubipR on Dec 15, 2015 20:44:16 GMT -5
My first dip into the weirded out... #10...
Fred Hembeck
First came across his small but sweet gag strips in DCs published between 1979-81 in the Daily Planet page. When I don't feel to read an entire comic and just want a quick fix with something goofy and off the wall, guys like Fred work just fine. The first of 2 'quick fix' submissions in my list. Excellent choice! Didn't even have him on my list of 30.... Well done, Jez.
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Post by Reptisaurus! on Dec 15, 2015 20:51:43 GMT -5
# 10: Steve Dahlman for ElectroIn narrowing my list down I decided that I'd limit myself to one Marvel/DC guy - Not that I don't love it, it gets discussed plenty on these boards - And I figure y'all will have Kubert, Eisner, Everett, Wally, and both of the Jacks covered, right? So I thought I'd go a little more Golden Agey. Which required, at great personal sacrafice, me to lunk some TPBs down to the library to make some scans. I am a hero. Anyway, Dahlman's work is like nothing I've ever seen in the 70 odd years since he was active in the industry. Wildly creative and effective designs combined with a weirdly two-dimensional, almost woodcut influenced style, mashed with a sense of page design that would be impressive by today's standards, and was pretty much unparalleled back in 1940. Sadly, there doesn't seem to be much biographical information about him. In the introduction to the Marvel Mystery Comics volume where these appear, Roy Thomas is oddly dismissive - C'mon, Roy, this is so much better than the Human Torch! - and it seems like he dropped out of comics early in the '40s. Which is a damn shame. This is the same issue with the first, famous Human Torch vs. Sub-Mariner fight; but that's only the SECOND best thing in this comic. How can you not love a page which has a giant octopus menacing a shapely damsel, a bearded scientist and a robot beating up dragon men with a tree all on the same page?! (And I cut out the panel where Electro is juggling the dragon men like tenpins!)
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Post by DubipR on Dec 15, 2015 21:00:13 GMT -5
Continuing the trend of Jez, Cei-U and others.... let's keep the praise rolling for #10- DAVE STEVENSWhat can be said about Dave Stevens that we already don't know? One of the draftsmen in comics and a constant professional; meticulous to the end. Always changing an angle here or a line there. Shame he didn't loosen up a bit and produce a bit more comic work. You can tell he was a disciple of Doug Wildey; the energy and focus he put in his work is just like Doug's artwork... a perfectionist to its fullest. Loved Wildey so much, Peevy is modeled after him.... But let's admire the line work, eh....
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Post by benday-dot on Dec 15, 2015 21:09:53 GMT -5
#10 Phillipe DruilletI definitely favour artists with over sized imaginations. When I am lucky enough to come upon that rare individual with the talent to match that imagination it is indeed a good thing. Every thing about Druillet was colossal and in full measure. The man cheated neither himself nor his reader and admirer. If Jack Kirby were to have grown up as young immigrant in France instead of as young scrapper in the the Lower East Side of Manhattan he would have become Druillet. Likewise if the prodigiously talented Frenchman were rather a young American born artist entering just entering comics Golden Age he would have become Kirby. At least that's how I often dream of things. As it is Druillet is a massive visionary in his own right drawing his storytelling out of the most mystical, most forsaken, most illuminated, most psychedelic, most furiously savage corners of the cosmos. Sometimes his writing takes turns too cryptic (or maybe that is poor translation), but he ever trades in runic archetypes, and gods and devils. And he laughs a little with us along the way too. Kirby aside, is there another more operatic weaver of story through the medium of comics than the utterly magnificent Phillipe Druillet?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 21:13:07 GMT -5
#10 Phillipe DruilletI definitely favour artists with over sized imaginations. When I am lucky enough to come upon that rare individual with the talent to match that imagination it is indeed a good thing. Every thing about Druillet was colossal and in full measure. The man cheated neither himself nor his reader and admirer. If Jack Kirby were to have grown up as young immigrant in France instead of as young scrapper in the the Lower East Side of Manhattan he would have become Druillet. Likewise if the prodigiously talented Frenchman were rather a young American born artist entering just entering comics Golden Age he would have become Kirby. At least that's how I often dream of things. As it is Druillet is a massive visionary in his own right drawing his storytelling out of the most mystical, most forsaken, most illuminated, most psychedelic, most furiously savage corners of the cosmos. Sometimes his writing takes turns too cryptic (or maybe that is poor translation), but he ever trades in runic archetypes, and gods and devils. And he laughs a little with us along the way too. Kirby aside, is there another more operatic weaver of story through the medium of comics than the utterly magnificent Phillipe Druillet? Druillet was the last name cut from my list to make it down to 12, and the one I was inquiring about with the translation and date questions I asked Kurt about in the prep thread. -M
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Post by shaxper on Dec 15, 2015 21:33:12 GMT -5
Kirby aside, is there another more operatic weaver of story through the medium of comics than the utterly magnificent Phillipe Druillet? There's little doubt in my mind that most of Kirby's work in the '70s (which I consider to be his best work) was heavily inspired by Druillet. On the other hand, having just read The Six Voyages of Lone Sloan for the first time this week, I really struggled with the writing. I therefore consider Druillet the superior artist, but Kirby the better overall package.
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Post by Icctrombone on Dec 15, 2015 21:44:04 GMT -5
#10 Gary LarsonI will admit that I'm not well schooled in comic strips or newspaper cartoons, but the Far Side was one of the two comic strips that I enjoyed. I guess I can't add much since Larsen has been picked a few times already, but I will say that I appreciate that his cartoons make your mind active in solving puzzles about what you're seeing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2015 22:10:25 GMT -5
#10 Gary LarsonI will admit that I'm not well schooled in comic strips or newspaper cartoons, but the Far Side was one of the two comic strips that I enjoyed. I guess I can't add much since Larsen has been picked a few times already, but I will say that I appreciate that his cartoons make your mind active in solving puzzles about what you're seeing. We both had him for #10 ... Interesting and thanks for your support!
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