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Post by DE Sinclair on Nov 19, 2015 9:28:41 GMT -5
That anyone would take the execrable Franklin Graham seriously for even a nano-second indicates a serious lack of critical thinking skills. Substitute the word "Jews" for Muslims, or "blacks" or "Christians,"for that matter, and you'll have an idea of the slimy rock under which Graham normally lurks. I don't have broader issues with FG the way you so, I simply agreed with the sentiment in that excerpt above. I'm not American as you may already know, but have walked around London and listened to angry muslim men in the UK shout in support of Anjem Choudary and his hatred. It's left a very bitter taste in my mouth because I see it happening over there too. Here he is with FOX's Hannity, although I wouldn't be surprised if Hannity is on your negative list too. Since you don't live in the US, you may not be aware that Fox News in general, and Hannity in particular, are basically the mouthpieces for the far right Republican party. They regularly spout thinly veiled rhetoric that make hatemongers across the country squirm with joy. So yes, Hannity is looked at negatively by many people.
You have angry Muslim men in the UK supporting radical Islamic figures. I don't doubt it a bit. We have them here too. We also have many Muslim men and women who are looking at these radicals and terrorists with as much fear and dismay as we have. These people speaking out can't hold a whole religion (race, nationality, ethnicity, etc.) responsible for the actions of a deranged minority. There's a word for that.
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Post by DE Sinclair on Nov 19, 2015 12:57:52 GMT -5
Apparently a Virginia mayor has cited the Japanese-American internment camps in WW II as justification for refusing Syrian immigrants. I could go on about how ignorant it is to cite one injustice as justification to commit another, but George Takei, who was interned himself said it well:
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Post by Rob Allen on Nov 19, 2015 13:29:49 GMT -5
I'm late in mentioning this, but I liked the way Garrison Keillor responded last Saturday, the day after the attacks. At the beginning of his show, which is broadcast live, he read a message of condolence and support for the French people. Then a female voice repeated the message in French. Then the band played La Marseillaise. And then, after a pause, they started the show.
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Post by the4thpip on Nov 19, 2015 13:43:31 GMT -5
This was 'countered' by Franklin Graham, son of Evangelist Richard Graham. It's another meter of thought that I won't argue with. I'd argue with that kind of thinking until I was blue in the face. I would guess that is because you are not a bigot. |
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Post by the4thpip on Nov 19, 2015 13:45:21 GMT -5
This was 'countered' by Franklin Graham, son of Evangelist Richard Graham. It's another meter of thought that I won't argue with. That anyone would take the execrable Franklin Graham seriously for even a nano-second indicates a serious lack of critical thinking skills. Substitute the word "Jews" for Muslims, or "blacks" or "Christians,"for that matter, and you'll have an idea of the slimy rock under which Graham normally lurks. That is the same Frankie Graham who also claims that Obama was born a muslim. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 16:58:57 GMT -5
I don't have broader issues with FG the way you so, I simply agreed with the sentiment in that excerpt above. I'm not American as you may already know, but have walked around London and listened to angry muslim men in the UK shout in support of Anjem Choudary and his hatred. It's left a very bitter taste in my mouth because I see it happening over there too. Here he is with FOX's Hannity, although I wouldn't be surprised if Hannity is on your negative list too. Hannity? he should ever be taken seriously because...? Have you listed anyone you take seriously? I'm seeing an expanding list of names that you obviously hold in contempt if nothing else. And I'm sure there are others who would disagree with those you choose not to pour any scorn on. It happens. Moving along. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 17:46:28 GMT -5
paraphrasing Robert Anton Wilson here:
An expert is an idiot in front of a room full of morons who are not savvy enough to realize he or she is full of shit!
That pretty much sums up how I feel about most pundits these days on both sides of the aisle.
-M
PS or as Ted Koppel observed on The Daily Show last night, the satirists are doing more real journalism than anyone on television calling themselves a journalist.
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 19, 2015 20:13:22 GMT -5
Hannity? he should ever be taken seriously because...? Have you listed anyone you take seriously? I'm seeing an expanding list of names that you obviously hold in contempt if nothing else. And I'm sure there are others who would disagree with those you choose not to pour any scorn on. It happens. Moving along. Yes indeed, those familiar with the facts who tell the truth, whose opinions are not simply excuses for vitriol, hatred, ignorance, and bigotry for a start. Perhaps, as DE mentioned, you are unfamiliar with Hannity and his brand of fearmonger, of which there are many on the American Fox News. Time to read up on them before accepting them at face value, maybe. Bon voyage! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 20:45:47 GMT -5
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Post by Phil Maurice on Nov 19, 2015 22:52:05 GMT -5
Hannity and his brand of fearmonger(ing), of which there are many on the American Fox News. Yechh! Sorry you had to be exposed to that excremental unpleasantness Hal, in order to report on it credibly. To crib a line from David Lloyd George, 'When they circumcised Hannity, they threw away the wrong bit.' |
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Post by dupersuper on Nov 19, 2015 23:50:13 GMT -5
Ew. How did Fox News get here?
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 20, 2015 0:02:44 GMT -5
Hannity and his brand of fearmonger(ing), of which there are many on the American Fox News. Yechh! Sorry you had to be exposed to that excremental unpleasantness Hal, in order to report on it credibly. To crib a line from David Lloyd George, 'When they circumcised Hannity, they threw away the wrong bit.' I can only make occasional brief forays into that smarmy cesspool, but you have to know the enemy. |
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Post by Prince Hal on Nov 20, 2015 0:04:22 GMT -5
Ew. How did Fox News get here? I'll try to be more careful. But then again, no pain, no gain. |
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Post by the4thpip on Nov 20, 2015 9:58:02 GMT -5
paraphrasing Robert Anton Wilson here: An expert is an idiot in front of a room full of morons who are not savvy enough to realize he or she is full of shit! That pretty much sums up how I feel about most pundits these days on both sides of the aisle. -M PS or as Ted Koppel observed on The Daily Show last night, the satirists are doing more real journalism than anyone on television calling themselves a journalist. You're not arguing that "both sides are the same" when the GOP front runner has some bona-fide fascist policies this time around? Do you think Rachel Maddow is as bad a journalist as Hannity? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 11:12:55 GMT -5
paraphrasing Robert Anton Wilson here: An expert is an idiot in front of a room full of morons who are not savvy enough to realize he or she is full of shit! That pretty much sums up how I feel about most pundits these days on both sides of the aisle. -M PS or as Ted Koppel observed on The Daily Show last night, the satirists are doing more real journalism than anyone on television calling themselves a journalist. You're not arguing that "both sides are the same" when the GOP front runner has some bona-fide fascist policies this time around? Do you think Rachel Maddow is as bad a journalist as Hannity? I think most (I won't say all) of those in television journalism (i.e. the pundits) are more interested in ratings than accuracy and resort to pandering to achieve them. I think there are some who have no redeeming value whatsoever, and some who maybe try to salvage something within that framework, but on most US networks (broadcast or cable), news/journalism is a for profit business not a public service so everything takes a back seat to profitability. That said, when I do want news, I generally check out things like PBS or the BBC, but as far as pundits themselves go, I have little use for any of them, even those who may be trying to salvage something despite the sordid nature of the business. As for the candidates themselves, no I am not arguing both sides are the same. I was commenting on the commentators, pundits, and so called experts on both sides of the aisle, not the candidates themselves. -M |
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