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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 13, 2021 22:06:36 GMT -5
I did cut out an order form to get a couple of Collector Edition tabloid comics: The Best of DC one and the Legion of Super-Heroes, with the wedding of Lightning Lad and Saturn Girl.
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Post by Confessor on Jul 14, 2021 1:58:45 GMT -5
All those guilty of cutting out a Marvel Value Stamp, please raise your hands. At the ripe old age of 11, I cut few when they first came out, but discontinued the practice because I realized that they often affected the story/art. Hang your head in shame!
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Post by dave on Jul 14, 2021 10:14:42 GMT -5
Lessee... controversial opinions... I find Jim Lee's art boring with a capital B. Not a big fan of his overall contribution to comics as a whole, in fact (nothing against him personally). I hate that Alan Moore turned Etrigan the Demon into a rhymer. It was a cool idea at first, but we've all had to suffer through so much cheesy doggerel ever since. I don't like Catwoman. Never found her at all interesting or sexy or any of it. Just another cheap thief in leather. No idea what Batman sees in her. "Demon in a Bottle" ruined Tony Stark for me. And I'm an alcoholic. I wish the Human Torch had stayed married to Lyja the skrull and think the DeFalco/Ryan era was the last time Johnny Storm was very interesting at all. I'm sure I'll think of others....
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 14, 2021 10:24:26 GMT -5
One thing I never did though, and that was clip the DC Bicentennial Headers, because I wasn't the least interested in that Superman belt buckle..
Cutting out the headers to comics just seems plain wrong
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Post by Mister Spaceman on Jul 14, 2021 10:27:07 GMT -5
I'll do you one better-- I didn't use the Marvel checklists, but...
All those guilty of cutting out a Marvel Value Stamp, please raise your hands.
At the ripe old age of 11, I cut few when they first came out, but discontinued the practice because I realized that they often affected the story/art. I never did cut a "Series B" stamp, and no, I never cut the stamp out of Hulk #181, because I never owned it. I never had any intention of completing the set, because buying that many books was way beyond my 11 yr-old budget.
Obviously, there were plenty out there like me, because every now and then I'll come across a book where some other kid or adult fanboy clipped the stamp.
In the late Eighties I came across a guy selling a stack of comics in Harvard Square. In his pile was a copy of The Incredible Hulk #181, in fine to very fine condition. I nabbed it (for fifty cents!) and immediately took it around the corner to a comic book store (The Million Year Picnic) to cash in my great reward. The clerk was excited to see it until, flipping through it, he spotted what I had failed to notice: the page with the coupon clipped. Suddenly the bargaining price plummeted. But I walked away with both volumes of Steranko's History of Comics as a straight up trade so wasn't complaining.
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Post by Prince Hal on Jul 14, 2021 10:28:20 GMT -5
One thing I never did though, and that was clip the DC Bicentennial Headers, because I wasn't the least interested in that Superman belt buckle..
Cutting out the headers to comics just seems plain wrong Which is why I'm sure DC was hoping that there would be some fans suckers out there who'd buy two of each one.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2021 10:44:20 GMT -5
I'll do you one better-- I didn't use the Marvel checklists, but...
All those guilty of cutting out a Marvel Value Stamp, please raise your hands. At the ripe old age of 11, I cut few when they first came out, but discontinued the practice because I realized that they often affected the story/art. I never did cut a "Series B" stamp, and no, I never cut the stamp out of Hulk #181, because I never owned it. I never had any intention of completing the set, because buying that many books was way beyond my 11 yr-old budget. Obviously, there were plenty out there like me, because every now and then I'll come across a book where some other kid or adult fanboy clipped the stamp. In the late Eighties I came across a guy selling a stack of comics in Harvard Square. In his pile was a copy of The Incredible Hulk #181, in fine to very fine condition. I nabbed it (for fifty cents!) and immediately took it around the corner to a comic book store (The Million Year Picnic) to cash in my great reward. The clerk was excited to see it until, flipping through it, he spotted what I had failed to notice: the page with the coupon clipped. Suddenly the bargaining price plummeted. But I walked away with both volumes of Steranko's History of Comics as a straight up trade so wasn't complaining. Times have changed a bit, defects such as missing stamps and even missing covers certainly still bring the value down, but they are not really an impediment for getting big money for a book that's in demand any longer... this coverless copy of Tales of Suspense #39 just sold for $1386 yesterday in the Lonestar July Prime Auction, it also had a detached centerfold, a 1/2 inch spine split through the first two wraps and tape on the last page, but still got almost $1500. a couple of coverless early Superman went for over $500 each in the same auction. Demand has gotten to the point on certain books and the perceived scarcity of those books has kicked in and prices are rising even on damaged goods like these. I've seen single wraps from key golden age books CGC'd and fetching several hundred if not over $1000, so something like a missing coupon or value stamp is still going to bring the price down, but it's still going to fetch a considerable sum in the current market. -M
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Post by impulse on Jul 14, 2021 10:44:45 GMT -5
Lessee... controversial opinions... I don't like Catwoman. Never found her at all interesting or sexy or any of it. Just another cheap thief in leather. No idea what Batman sees in her. Probably a cheap thief in tight leather who was flexible and carries a whip. A guy who gets into fights every single night must have at least a bit of a masochistic streak. ...did I take this joke too far?
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Post by codystarbuck on Jul 14, 2021 10:51:26 GMT -5
Lessee... controversial opinions... I find Jim Lee's art boring with a capital B. Not a big fan of his overall contribution to comics as a whole, in fact (nothing against him personally). I hate that Alan Moore turned Etrigan the Demon into a rhymer. It was a cool idea at first, but we've all had to suffer through so much cheesy doggerel ever since. I don't like Catwoman. Never found her at all interesting or sexy or any of it. Just another cheap thief in leather. No idea what Batman sees in her. "Demon in a Bottle" ruined Tony Stark for me. And I'm an alcoholic. I wish the Human Torch had stayed married to Lyja the skrull and think the DeFalco/Ryan era was the last time Johnny Storm was very interesting at all. I'm sure I'll think of others.... I agree with you on Lee...too much posing, stock panels, etc. Not impressed with his storytelling skills. That said, of the Image founders, he was the most rounded, as an artist (though Valentino was a better writer than the rest). McFarlane had great design sense, but never cared for his storytelling, as he was more interested in designing the page as a poster image, rather than telling the story. The Demon I blame more on lesser writers that followed; Moore used it to better effect. Catwoman I disagree with, strongly. In the 40s, she was a great femme fatale and a very complex character, for such simple stories. In the 70s, she was an interesting case, as she tried to go straight, because she was in love with Batman. The Earth-2 version was made even more interesting by marrying Batman and having Helena, the future Huntress. Subsequent to Miller turning her into a hooker, who switches careers, I haven't thought much of her, though Darwyn Cooke used her better than anyone, post-Crisis. Demon in a Bottle, I thought, was fantastic; but, subsequent writers didn't handle things as well as Michelinie. I did think they had him sober up a little too easy, which at least made the later lapses seem more logical and realistic.
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Post by Batflunkie on Jul 14, 2021 10:53:31 GMT -5
I hate that Alan Moore turned Etrigan the Demon into a rhymer. It was a cool idea at first, but we've all had to suffer through so much cheesy doggerel ever since. I don't like Catwoman. Never found her at all interesting or sexy or any of it. Just another cheap thief in leather. No idea what Batman sees in her. I totally agree with you about Etrigan, it's probably why he isn't used as much anymore I liked what they did with Catwoman in the 90's with Jo Duffy and Jim Balant. To be fair though, I like most bat-titles that don't feature Batman exclusively, he's got some interesting characters in his roster and one hell of a villains' pool, even if Flash has a better one
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Post by impulse on Jul 14, 2021 10:59:42 GMT -5
I really like how the Batman cast is portrayed in the Arkham games and even Telltale. They take a lot of what I like about some of the many renditions and make it work. Granted I haven't read all of his renditions, and there is no way they could add elements of them all due to how many there are, but I like the overall directions the games took.
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Post by adamwarlock2099 on Jul 14, 2021 11:33:49 GMT -5
"Demon in a Bottle" ruined Tony Stark for me. And I'm an alcoholic. As one myself, as well, I actually liked it. Didn't think it was necessarily ground breaking (maybe at the time it was published alcohol in comics was unheard of) in telling the story, but I thought of all the heroes of comics that Stark would be more the one that would/could likely become alcoholic due to the lifestyle Stark himself leads. But .... Demon in a Bottle, I thought, was fantastic; but, subsequent writers didn't handle things as well as Michelinie. I did think they had him sober up a little too easy, which at least made the later lapses seem more logical and realistic. ... I will definitely agree with cody on this point. As I haven't been 100% sober in 25 years now. Not saying it can not be done, but like any addiction it doesn't go away that easy no matter the level of addiction. can't speak for later writers, as I have never really been a big Iron Man outside of Avengers and FFF's apperances.
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Post by Cei-U! on Jul 14, 2021 13:10:10 GMT -5
Lessee... controversial opinions... I hate that Alan Moore turned Etrigan the Demon into a rhymer. It was a cool idea at first, but we've all had to suffer through so much cheesy doggerel ever since. Moore did it best, but it wasn't his idea. It was Len Wein who first had Etrigan consistently speak in rhyme, during Demon's short-lived series in Detective.
Cei-U! I summon the 411!
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Post by tonebone on Jul 14, 2021 14:08:19 GMT -5
The most interesting flaw I found in a back issue purchase was in a pair of what I call my "Rain Man" comics. The original owner had circled in pencil every number on the page and added them up at the bottom. And this guy had rules that could be inferred from his choices: if Batman said "That's twice now we've seen a reference for 1364 Vicoscia Drive in these papers, Robin! We should go to that address!", the sum would be 2 ("twice") + 1 + 3 + 6 + 4 + 2 ("to"). WOW! That's pretty cool! Back in the late 80's at a used book store, I bought the three " Star Wars Sketchbook" trade paperbacks. In each one, but particularly in the first one, someone had gone in and rubber-stamped the word "ARKON", and there are a lot of notations as to the exact lengths of ships, scale notations, and other engineering type notations I don't understand. The neatness of the writing was such that for a while, I didn't know it wasn't part of the original artwork.
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Post by tonebone on Jul 14, 2021 14:13:03 GMT -5
I'll do you one better-- I didn't use the Marvel checklists, but...
All those guilty of cutting out a Marvel Value Stamp, please raise your hands.
At the ripe old age of 11, I cut few when they first came out, but discontinued the practice because I realized that they often affected the story/art. I never did cut a "Series B" stamp, and no, I never cut the stamp out of Hulk #181, because I never owned it. I never had any intention of completing the set, because buying that many books was way beyond my 11 yr-old budget.
Obviously, there were plenty out there like me, because every now and then I'll come across a book where some other kid or adult fanboy clipped the stamp.
One thing I never did though, and that was clip the DC Bicentennial Headers, because I wasn't the least interested in that Superman belt buckle..
I didn't cut out the stamps, but I did get a wild hair once, and went through my entire collection (which was a couple hundred at the time), and cut out all the HOSTESS ads, until I had one of each (at least of the ones I had representatives of). If there was an ad on the other side of the page, I would pick that over one with comics on the other side.. but in some cases I only had that particular ad with comics on the back and , oh well, snip snip snip. I put them all in a notebook and when I was done, I looked around the room at the carnage and wondered why I did it. It was like I had been in a trance or something.
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